Wow, the background of the ATS wallpaper just turned into the fallen twin Trade Towers

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


this is true, and u just made a true statement, no matter who does it. But this country justifies it, and the people buy it, Its horrible and when things happen to america we get all poor pity potty me attitude, i don't know what to say, other than, have a great night, sorry for intruding

NEVER FORGET,

(that building 7 also collapsed, presumably by magic)

reply to post by steve95988


You didn't intrude at all. People are going to disagree with you. No matter what. That is just how ATS is.

I assure you. it is nothing personal and I apologize for any hurt feelings I may have caused. I want to assure you I meant no harm.

I am a good guy. I promise

That said... I do understand where you are coming from... And yes, there was a time in which the majority of this country felt that invading Iraq ( Or the several other countries) was justified.... But really, I think that over the years, as we realized what was really going on... Most stopped supporting our occupation.

Because that is what it is, an occupation.

So for what it is worth, I do get you. But I think that most do not try to Justify what the US does anymore. Sure some do...But....most don't.

You said to wake up. 9/11 was actually the day that I began to "wake up" and realize that the US is not this perfect country and that we are not so innocent... I get this. We all do.

Especially here on ATS.

We do get it. Lots of people from all over the world have lost their lives due to 9/11. Some directly, some indirectly. Yes, Terrorism happens all over the world... But this does not make it any less sad.

I morn for every death on 9/11 but that's all. Its equal pain to the daily lost of lives around the world deu to terrorism.

Thanks for reminding me this one. Did anyone ever looked into why those iconic standing pieces of the building frames did not get pulverised like everything else? Just asking...

reply to post by TribeOfManyColours


So true. I felt that pain once and it has lasted 10 year so far... I can only imagine how awful it would have to be to go through it all again...and again...

so sad

reply to post by steve95988


Of COURSE you're from California... Look here hoss, you're not special...nor have you probably ever spoken an original word nor had an original thought in your sheltered life. I know that shouting "Wake Up!" seems to be en vogue here nowadays , but the truth remains that while you may not think so...you sir are a parrot , a repeater. I will be impressed by you when you tell us something we don't already know.

The ugly truth is that humans do ugly things to each other, unjust things, unspeakable things. Can we have a moment here where we relate to others on a HUMAN level without spin, politics or personal agendas and let those that were personally affected by the events 10 years ago grieve in peace?

Thanks in advance

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
reply to post by steve95988

 

Of COURSE you're from California...

Look here hoss, you're not special...nor have you probably ever spoken an original word nor had an original thought in your sheltered life. I know that shouting "Wake Up!" seems to be en vogue here nowadays , but the truth remains that while you may not think so...you sir are a parrot , a repeater. I will be impressed by you when you tell us something we don't already know.

The ugly truth is that humans do ugly things to each other, unjust things, unspeakable things. Can we have a moment here where we relate to others on a HUMAN level without spin, politics or personal agendas and let those that were personally affected by the events 10 years ago grieve in peace?

Thanks in advance

Well said.
2nd line.

This is the past.

People,move on!

ATS, I would like to thank you for the wallpaper. I was unaware that it was 9/11 today. I pray for every person. It is so sad.

I do not talk much about 9/11 because it is too much for me, I just pray that the powers that be do not hurt anyone and have a sudden shift in spiritual consciousness, revealing that humanity is to be loved. We all know it was us, its just to much...

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

what do you mean wtf?

Is it wrong of ATS to remember the fallen?

That said of course we will not forget. The pain of that day lives on deep in the heart and soul of the American people and people all over the world.

edit on 11-9-2011 by gimme_some_truth because: (no reason given)

No it is not wrong to forget the fallen. But ATS seems a little egocentric and only wants to remember those that died on 911..

Not those that died as a consequence of 911. There is no merit in that...

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by TsukiLunar


Hey, dude. This is where three thousand people died. How does changing to the background to the ruins where they had their final most horrifying moments of their lives? This is a grave sit. Not a monument. Not then.

edit on 11-9-2011 by TsukiLunar because: post delted part of itself

Your question makes no sense... It seems incomplete...

ah, you edited it to fix it... I understand the question now.


You are right. These are pictures of a grave site...... So what? People go to grave sites to remember lost loved ones all the time.... People go to ground zero all the time ( A grave site) to remember the fallen...

How does thinking back on the horrible events of that day, viewing the pictures of the devastation respect the dead? To me it says that we have not forgotten what happened to them that day.

Really, posting beautiful pictures of what the trace center looked like before the attacks,could come across as insulting.

These images are hard to look at.... They stir up all kinds of pain. Just watch history channel today, they will be showing footage of that day, all day...Which means I will cry a some point today... But I will watch. Why? To show respect. To show, I have not forgotten.

Of course that is just my opinion.

If you wish to honor that day with different pictures, I actually think you should....a thread with the pictures that you find suitable would no doubt be touching and I would love to see it.For what it is worth.

Peace and love.

I am not a dude. I am just a man trying to show my respects in my own way. I would rather remember it for how it happened... Not some sugar coated water down PC , Disney like version of that day... TO me... THAT would be an insult.

But that is just me.

edit on 11-9-2011 by gimme_some_truth because: (no reason given)

I dont see why you need to explain yourself to someone who is obviously disheartened. You dont have to push more at them. To some extent I agree with Tsukilunar. It isn't the best taste. and How would showing the towers standing be more disrespectful then them destroyed? And I wouldn't call it a grave site. It was devastation, and a catastrophe. The grave site is now the reflecting pools. A much better image then twisted metal and steel. And I do not believe we watch it over and over again to not forget.. I believe it to be a psychological thing. To say its to remind you, you won't forget, is sad. How do you need to view it again and again to not forget? How could anyone EVER FORGET?

A grave site is a field of grass with tombstones, not twisted debris. Now that i've responded, I'll have to scroll up to see how many times you had to put your 2 cents in.

just as I thought.. you have to put your change in the bucket over and over again.

maybe someone else should be giving up some truth..

and the picture show that the buildings did not fall entirely into themselves and they were still standing after the collapse. That goes against ALL the arguments the truthers have about explosives and symmetrical collapses. Classic picture.

THANKS ATSNN!!!!

Originally posted by esdad71
and the picture show that the buildings did not fall entirely into themselves and they were still standing after the collapse. That goes against ALL the arguments the truthers have about explosives and symmetrical collapses. Classic picture.

THANKS ATSNN!!!!

ok.. you do notice that the pieces standing up are the outer walls pushed out from the the collapse in between the outer walls? for example, the floors and steel falling straight down and pushing them outwards..

you know what.. doesn't matter.. go ahead and cheer that it fell

I respect those that grieve but that is well in the past and there is little if anything that we can do about it.

In fact those that perished are in a better place. They no longer have to worry about losing their job, homes or dying of cancer and because of this, I am almost certain that they pity us instead for having to endure these burdensome subconscious psychological hardships daily in our lives.

But what we can do out of respect for these innocent victims is to look towards the future and consider being honest with ourselves and admitting as to why these inhumane acts befall one another and how we can possibly prevent them from happening again ?

One Answer: TRUTH.

Being truthful with one another eliminates the conflict leading to disdain, leading to hatred and inevitably resulting in violence.

And exactly why in adhering to the TRUTH We will inevitably set ourselves Free.

PEACE.

Here is a poem I wrote the day after 9/11 happened.

Tears and pain
rain in the USA souls
sewn together in unity
Defending our freedom and righteousness

Daily stress
the unrest
of not knowing
the outcome
of this very real nightmare

Primitive beliefs
have disrupted
all our lives
and...as we try
to make sense
of this very real violence
uncalled for destruction

The pain reigns in our spirits and souls
as our healing
places us closely together
this emotional weather

Our hearts beat
we are one

reply to post by Violater1


Pretty miraculous so few were dead

Number working in World Trade Centre on average working day prior to 11 September: 50,000
Average number of daily visitors: 140,000
plus planes and building 7 and Pentagon and street crowd

It seems we mourn according to numbers of deaths, no one ever mentions Oklahoma City Bombings.
Of course only American deaths are important, where is the big Memorial to the Shock and Awe victims?


Shack and Awe

American supporters of Shock and Awe claim that unlike terrorism, Shock and Awe does not deliberately target civilians, although civilians could be killed.
if Shock and Awe is empirically different from terrorism, as both tactics' primary goal is to elicit terror, shock and awe.

One of the authors of the Lancet study in question has stated in a letter to the U.K. Independent newspaper, "Please understand how extremely conservative we were: we did a survey estimating that 285,000 people have died due to the first 18 months of invasion and occupation and we reported it as at least 100,000."
911review.org...

Originally posted by nh_ee

I respect those that grieve but that is well in the past and there is little if anything that we can do about it.

Wrong, we can remember, reflect and mourn... More importantly we can all recognize that since that horrible day, hundreds of thousands have been killed in the wars that have followed.

They have made the American people, and the world believe that Osama Bin Laden is dead... There can be no more justice, or glory or even victory in continued military operations that result in eventual killings of mass numbers of innocents.

We can all collectively demand that the KILLINGS end.... NOW.

We cannot claim a moral high ground when we have so far outdone this enemy in destruction and murder.

It must end, we must demand it.

We can , at least do that.

My "ATS World Trade Center Heirloom Collection Limited Edition Memorial Background Wallpaper" ($0.00 from all good stores) is currently obscured by an enormous banner advertisement.

Glad to see that corporate capitalism, of which ATS is part, stops for nothing whatever ... even the deaths of thousands.

Utter tokenism.

reply to post by Violater1


Rest in peace, for those who fell that day....

But did you really have to add that picture of the guy falling to his death? Really?
Yea that's definitely not something I care to remember.