Wow, the background of the ATS wallpaper just turned into the fallen twin Trade Towers

reply to post by David291


I'll do my best,David.

And honestly? I think,all the world needs,is for everyone to just-wake-up. We need to stop. We need to hear,not just listen,waiting for our turn to speak our mind. We need to feel,not just react. We need. All of us.

Be well,my friend. Stay strong.

Originally posted by David291
It is very sad what happened but you know what's even worse? "war against terrorism" is that what they call it? I wonder how many innocents, americans and the like have killed since 9/11 but no, nothing is said or done about that because 3,000+ innocent died that day. Yes, they did not deserve it, yes the people that did it do deserve what they get but come on.

Was it really worth it? God bless our troops? No thanks, they did more damage than those planes ever did. Yeah, a lot of you might disagree with me but let's not forget the countless innocent people that died for that"revenge" many of you wanted.

I only disagree with you on one account...God Bless our troops...these are often men and women who chose to serve thinking they would protect and keep the American people and land safe.
It is not their fault they are sent on unjust wars and actions that are totally wrong, they must follow orders you cannot just opt out or even question and that is understandable or how would any military function.
I know there are those who are evil and take advantage of the war they are in to kill and rape and maim and hate. But My son and most of the rest are not at fault and I pray for them to be safe and come home. They don't want to be killing innocent people any more then we want them to.

Originally posted by Qouth The Raven
My apologies. It's hard to type thru tears.

I didn't realize just how shaken I still am. Wow.

Be kind to each other,and yourselves. Be kind.

I agree with what you have said. Also....I am thinking....why don't we all try and be kind to one another...not just today....let's try and continue kindness every day and into the future.

Originally posted by Qouth The Raven

Originally posted by David291
reply to post by Qouth The Raven

 

Oh, I know it's no everyone but it was the majority. It just upsets me how everyone is giving respects for the people that died on 9/11 but forget those innocent people that have died since 9/11 - it looks that way anyway.

Don't get me wrong, the people are right for giving their respect to the family and to those that died on 9/11 but what of the countless others that have died by our so called"peace loving hands"

Yes,what of the others.

Last night,I lit a candle and sent up a prayer for them. I do this daily,for the world's people. I see a much bigger picture than most do,perhaps. I don't know.

Today,we remember those who lost their lives as a direct result of that day in 2001. Every day,I remember them,that day,and all that has come after. As an American,I mourn the tragic loss of that day,in my country. This is the anniversary of an event that changed my nation forever. I wasn't in Germany or Poland during WW2,I wasn't in Vietnam in the 60's. I'm not in the Middle East,dealing directly with the impact of what happens every moment there. But I remember,I grieve,and today,I grieve for my country,Her people,and everything that goes with it. I cannot be angry at anyone,no matter their thoughts,words or responses to this,or anything like it,anywhere. We are only human,and frail.

It didn't need to change our nation forever and should not have.
A decent government would have walked up to the podium and stated "We have been hurt, but we will go on and we WILL NOT LET THEM WIN BY CHANGING OUR COUNTRY OR OUR LIVES OR LOSING ONE IOTA OF OUR FREEDOM!!!"
I waited for this true and brave and right announcement and got..before they could possible have known who was responsible..."it was Bin Laden" lets get him, we are at war with invisible people we will label terrorist and we will never have the same country or freedom or life again!!

reply to post by DerVerboten


You don't seem to understand that this is to honor the innocent victims and the First Responders, many of whom actually gave their own lives. It's not about you, not about me, not about people who make controversial posts just to draw attention to themselves.

Does anyone else ever wonder why one missing child or person gets put all over the news for years while some sites state 2,000 children alone go missing per day.

www.slate.com...

The point being someone picks and chooses who we remember and pray for and memorialize. All the heroic firefighters doing their jobs around this country that die are done a disservice and marginalized by the memorializing of only the ones that have been spot lighted.

Please think how you would feel if your husband, brother, father, sister or child died as a hero firefighter doing his job in anytown USA and watch as the 9/11 responders are worshiped for 10 years their children loved and educated and cared for for life...while yours nada!

How does it feel when your child is missing and only 2 children are focused on day in and day out by every channel on the media..not your child. I say this is wrong! Putting one above the other glorifying the one shows a disrespect for those left out.

If you are going to put up a memorial to those who die doing their job, it should be ALL those firefighters and such. If you are going to honer murder victims it should be all.

Remember these were people going to work to do their job in these buildings, there were some cheating on their spouses, some stealing from their employers, some going in to do business or sell some drugs. But they are all now lifted up to angel status while other American murder victims were nothing.
Terrorist killing is a murder the same as any other and unjust killing of usually an innocent victim. Let us be fair!

Originally posted by caladonea

Originally posted by Qouth The Raven
My apologies. It's hard to type thru tears.

I didn't realize just how shaken I still am. Wow.

Be kind to each other,and yourselves. Be kind.

I agree with what you have said. Also....I am thinking....why don't we all try and be kind to one another...not just today....let's try and continue kindness every day and into the future.

Kindness is a form of generosity of the spirit that is all but lost to most people in these times.

Hearts,and spirits,are hardened,and trust has vanished,along with genuine caring and compassion. It's killed by the mindset that most have,the "I Gotta look out for me and mine and every man for himself.." way of being and feeling. Maybe it's a warped survival response to a world that seems to be spiraling out of control.

Sad,what we've allowed to be done to us.

The "skin" on ATS will also change tomorrow, 9/12/2011, to reflect a different sentiment.

reply to post by Violater1


Oh my gonads, I'm so bored of 9/11 sentimentality. It's turned into the USA's very own never ending Princess Di mawk-fest. The publically acceptable outlet for all those feelings the expression of which would quite likely garner comments such as "suck it up princess" (ironically enough lol). But oh no, not in the USA, right? In the home of the brave people have no need for self deception, they just feel what they feel and tell it how it is... famous for it!

You know what, y'all? Whatever the truth of what happened on 9/11, even the most patriotic American cannot have failed to notice that adherence to the ideals y'all were indoctrinated with through school has wrecked your country. No no no! It's this, it's that, it's not adhering stridently enough, it's goddam anything but entertain the idea that y'all have been betrayed at a real basic level and in a way that would literally require a serious re-evaluation of everything you believe in. It's way easier to express 10yr old grief over, for the vast majority of y'all, people you never met and would probably have treated badly if you had.

The supreme irony is that many of those who died that day were active participants in the very betrayal that has rotted the heart out of what the founding fathers had in mind and continues to eat away at each and every one of you. Go on all y'all reading this getting steamed up at me, use the phrase "innocent people" when you flame me and make my day!

I haven't even read through this entire thread yet. I find all the different opinions of the background pretty interesting. I think what lots of people might not understand is how remembrance isn't as much for the fallen as the living. Lots of old traditions long obsolete, and even the customs of cultures in other countries still maintain an understanding of grief and mourning in far better or maybe *complete* ways than our current American culture. The funeral isn't so much about honoring the dead as it is about giving the living time to grieve and express the sorrow they feel.

In our busy society we rush to have the memorial and then grieving is finished and it's back to business as usual. The ones that lost a loved one certainly aren't finished mourning though. In other cultures honoring the dead is often done in stages with specific ways of remembrance at each stage. It makes no sense to me in a society that can explain grief and even label the stages, give so little time to the grieving to process it, openly and publicly.

I think it is respectful and healthy to give time to the grieving process. In the case of this day, one of the worst in American history, people are not only grieving for a person or a handful of people they knew but also for a way of life, a loss of innocence in the children affected. Out of all the things I have read about this event, the posts by those who were children and how they have been affected have impacted me the most. I mourn over their lives... I know they were changed forever and these young adults will never have the luxury of viewing the world the way my generation did as children. HOW SAD!

As a nation I think it is important to give remembrance to the day thousands of people were murdered in cold blood. I think it is important to remember the hero's too. No matter what your personal take is on why it happened or who is responsible you can not deny the fact many innocent people that had no part in any of the BS that led up to that terrible day were victims. THOUSANDS of innocent American citizens as well as those of other countries and a myriad of spiritual beliefs were victimized...all in the name of WHAT?? No matter what your answer is to the question, forgetting the fallen does not change the fact they were just going to work that day, or going on a trip. They weren't guilty of anything else.

The day we forget that is the day even more of our humanity is lost

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
The "skin" on ATS will also change tomorrow, 9/12/2011, to reflect a different sentiment.

Today's is good SO,it has us feeling,talking. Getting things out there.

Well done,again.

reply to post by Cinaed

10 years...the surest way to keep and open would is to keep picking at the scab!

reply to post by Char-Lee

I believe any society that forgets their history is doomed to repeat it!

Originally posted by Cinaed
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

I believe any society that forgets their history is doomed to repeat it!

No one is talking forgetting our history...guess we should have a yearly anniversary blowout of every war and terrorist act and nation effecting news forever.

reply to post by Violater1


Wow Wow.

This is not about being manipulated ?

This is time for the truth to be spoken of.

This is time for NWO to go to .....

PS : I am sorry for the ones who lost their dearest ones as bush was scheming to attack Middle East.

I am sorry for Afghans and Iraqis who were bombarded and killed , too.

sympathy.

reply to post by Bunken Drum


One succeeds! Very eloquently put my friend. Couldn't have said it better myself.
All i have to add is, it infuriates me that, still to this day, the world gets spoon-fed new "evidence" of said disaster. Conveniently a few days before the anniversary. (I am referring to the new Shanksville video just released)

www.youtube.com...

plenty of ridiculous info in this CNN "new evidence" we'll get into that some other time..
actually no.. White SMOKE!!! an airplane has plenty of molecular density,... and would not emit white smoke if it were burning up!
It's not rocket science.

So that infuriates me. Rant. Over.

American nationalism makes me sick to my stomach. Sure honoring the dead is fine but worshipping the flag is utter nonsense.

Just wondering..Did anyone listen to the ATS Live show yesterday?

It was a very good show,and there was alot of different angles on the how and why the Towers collapsed as they did.

Oh,and I,for one,don't "worship" the American flag. I do,however,revere the principles on which it originally stood,and for me still stands.

I would like to see us,one day,truly be "One Nation,indivisible.."

Peace.