New Pa. 9/11 video shows smoke after Flight 93 crash

reply to post by Gorman91


I tried to find that info, the archives only went as far back as 2006

reply to post by lilowl53

The crash site itself looked NOTHING like a plane crash site.

What exactly does a generic plane crash site look like?

A lot of it depends on the trajectory of the plane when it hits and how fast it was going. What it crashes into is a big part of it too. I remember when an airliner crashed just outside of Pittsburgh many years ago (I had a friend on the flight) you didn't anything other than a big hole in the ground, because the plane went into the ground nearly vertically.

I remember when the airliner crashed into the Everglades in Florida, you didn't see anything really. They had to pull bodies and plane pieces out of the ground under the weeds and the water.

We all remember what the crash sites looked like at the WTC towers that day. Holes in two skyscrapers.

All crash sites are different. Different planes, different speeds and different mediums into which they are crashing.

reply to post by lilowl53

They never found a flight recorder or black box.

I understand the voice cockpit recorder was found. This site states Flight 93 was the only 9/11 flight from which a voice cockpit recorder was recovered. Are you saying the Flight 93 voice cockpit recorder was a fake, planted in the wreckage? Or am I misunderstanding something here? That's certainly possible.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


That first paragraph was filled with so much fact and truth.. (Specifically the last sentence) I have to commend you!

"Looks like the link is gone" ----- "I wonder why" --- Because the Govt. OBVIOUSLY took it down to make the "truth" much harder to find... I find it extremely amusing how crazy some folks are.

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This plane crash? Looks a hell of a lot different than the 93 crash site to me. Tons of junk sprayed out all over the crash site. 93...just a hole. If anyone else can find a plane crash site that is just a hole, I want to see it. I get every plane crash is different, but how many look vaporized, peices so small you can't even tell they came off a plane?

reply to post by lilowl53


What are you basing these assumption off of? "Pieces so small you couldn't tell they came from a plane" - That is utter BS!!!

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A witness said he heard two loud bangs before watching the plane take a downward turn of nearly 90 degrees.

You ask for similar crash photos.... Please tell me an instance where a plane hit the ground at a near 90 degree angle. Planes crash weekly.... But do they go in at 90 degrees? This is special circumstances.. But that would be logical to recognize this... So I understand truthers hesitance to look at these logically.

reply to post by macFiachna


The whole thing is fake....in my opinion. I stress....in MY opinion. Everything they found was fake. FAKE...crap you can get at a junk yard.

If everyone is in on it, it's EASY to cover-up. Pay me a million dollars and I'll say I saw a unicorn riding a ferris wheel on a ufo and mean it. Money talks, and stupid people listen.

I do not believe every report I read because it came from a government source, or because an expert said so. Every picture is not flat out evidence of truth....nor is any video. The video I posted, in my opinion is not of the plane crash/explosion whatever you choose to believe but that of some other place, and time entirely. Like I said many posts back, let me go make a video of a fire buring from a few miles away, put some plane crash/terrorist commentary on top, and see if it doesn't look THE SAME! Anyone can do this, it's simple!

Me posting the video had nothing to do with weather or not the 93 really crashed,or was it blown up or whatever. I was saying the video is crap. The video. That video that I started the thread on...page 1.

ok im confused again. did he/she really say a plane crashed and i saw smoke?

'cause...there was a fire yesterday...and...i saw smoke.

so....does that mean the George Bush or the DoD or the terrorists or the Galactic Federation of Light or the Lizard people or ELEnin had something to do with it?

i'm so easily confused...

reply to post by pshea38


I'm reluctant to buy into the actual video fakery, mostly because I don't like the word fakery and would better appreciate alteration. To say that whole videos were CGI'd is a little bit of a stretch (and I'm not implying that was what you were saying). But "video fakery" leaves a bad taste in my mouth from the days of videos with "walking bridges" and "trees that disappear" (which all are of course matters of angles, zoom, focus and distance).

That being said, the crazy part of this alternate universe is not so much the sociopathic tendencies of leaders, that is understood, I don't think it is possible to claw your way to the top and have tons of empathy. What I'm amazed by is the mere ignorance of people. Actually, willful ignorance is the better term. It's not bad enough that they don't know, it's that they don't even know that they don't know, if that makes sense.

And, I'd be open to finding out that what happened that day really was a plot by extremely crafty and lucky Islamic extremists, but the evidence has been wishy-washy. And even were it to be found out that something along the lines of the Official Story were to be true, I would still have major issues with the "why" factor, as in a validation to the terrorists' argument of what this nation has done there.

This is all very complex and troublesome and I honestly did not expect the level of re-programing in this week leading up to the 10th anniversary. Wow, such display of propaganda. I was shocked to find out they already have an actor-portrayal of "The Killing of Osama bin Laden"...Has Lifetime even made one for Casey Anthony yet?

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Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by pshea38

 

I'm reluctant to buy into the actual video fakery, mostly because I don't like the word fakery and would better appreciate alteration. To say that whole videos were CGI'd is a little bit of a stretch (and I'm not implying that was what you were saying). But "video fakery" leaves a bad taste in my mouth from the days of videos with "walking bridges" and "trees that disappear" (which all are of course matters of angles, zoom, focus and distance).

That being said, the crazy part of this alternate universe is not so much the sociopathic tendencies of leaders, that is understood, I don't think it is possible to claw your way to the top and have tons of empathy. What I'm amazed by is the mere ignorance of people. Actually, willful ignorance is the better term. It's not bad enough that they don't know, it's that they don't even know that they don't know, if that makes sense.

And, I'd be open to finding out that what happened that day really was a plot by extremely crafty and lucky Islamic extremists, but the evidence has been wishy-washy. And even were it to be found out that something along the lines of the Official Story were to be true, I would still have major issues with the "why" factor, as in a validation to the terrorists' argument of what this nation has done there.

This is all very complex and troublesome and I honestly did not expect the level of re-programing in this week leading up to the 10th anniversary. Wow, such display of propaganda. I was shocked to find out they already have an actor-portrayal of "The Killing of Osama bin Laden"...Has Lifetime even made one for Casey Anthony yet?

of Casey Anthony, no. she's a spiritual demon from the 10th dimension who can walk through wall but needs a material ship to move back and forth between dimensions. also, she is from the race of Lizard people that sent ELEnin to destroy us. you see, after her trial, she sent a signal to ELEnin to break up into pieces so it can more fully destroy the earth, thereby lifting the remaining humans up to the next level of spirituality.

also, she was part of the Plot to raise a False Flag so the humans wouldn't be paying attention to the Illuminate/New World Order/Draconians who were taking further control of the Planet. but since everybody knows that fire from the 10th dimension doesn't actually produce smoke, therefore it must be somekind of coverup by Bush and Cheney.

haven't you been paying attention?

Originally posted by DanielCarver That is utter BS!!!

Originally posted by DanielCarver So I understand truthers hesitance to look at these logically.

Are you this hostile normally? There is a problem with hostility surrounding 911 questions. It really detracts from the discussion and discredits the posters who use such tactics.

Originally posted by DanielCarver
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You've posted 3 links to 2 pictures. These 2 pieces are not convincing evidence, as they could have easily been created for and ported to the site. I'm not claiming is the case, but this in not an argument against it.

Originally posted by DanielCarver

A witness said he heard two loud bangs before watching the plane take a downward turn of nearly 90 degrees.

Thanks, that's news to me. What could have caused the reports?

reply to post by lkpuede


Are you being condescending or sardonic? If you are being condescending, I don't really understand where or why any of these lizard people or underground alien inner-earth unicorn paradises originate, nor do I care. I don't live in fantasy land and while I can own up to previous bouts of depression, I don't have some sort of other mental delusion.

If you are being sardonic, then you are over the top and should tone down the silliness factor of your comments.

Originally posted by Sphota
And, I'd be open to finding out that what happened that day really was a plot by extremely crafty and lucky Islamic extremists

I would be so happy if my brain would tell me this is the case, but it does not. Maybe I need to feed it more memorial propaganda.

I would love to think that the US government is innocent and benevolent, but I can't. Would a party affiliation cure me?

I would love to believe in life after death, alien visitation, and ghosts, but my brain just won't go there. Is there some sort of program I could enroll in so that I may experience bliss?

Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by lkpuede

 

Are you being condescending or sardonic? If you are being condescending, I don't really understand where or why any of these lizard people or underground alien inner-earth unicorn paradises originate, nor do I care. I don't live in fantasy land and while I can own up to previous bouts of depression, I don't have some sort of other mental delusion.

If you are being sardonic, then you are over the top and should tone down the silliness factor of your comments.

i am being absolutely serious. the Greys came to my crib just last night (during a lull in their war with the Draconians) and told me all about it. they left just before sunrise, and sorry, i was in somekind of alien/demon induced sleep paralysis so i couldn't grab my cellphone to take a picture. However, my friends over at the Galactic Federation of Light connected with me through brainwaves and told me everthing that happened.

didn't you know i'm Special and am in possession of Super Secret Advanced Knowledge About The Goings On in the Universe?

if you don't know, you'd better ask somebody.

reply to post by waypastvne


...No, it's only crazy truthers who say nothing crashed. Just like the ones that say the Brooklyn Bridge moved and all the other crap that either shows an imbalance of reason or, perhaps, it's not just random people making these comments...I mean, i'm starting to wonder.

But, to add substance to all of these one line conjectures made by several people who just started posting, might I direct you to:

You only believe the Official 9/11 story because you don't know the Official 9/11 story

So, I will end this article with a sampling of the questions that must be answered, or in the very least, investigated by impartial truth seekers.. They must NOT be ignored, or accepted simply because they were offered to a frightened nation by an administration defined by its lies. They are legitimate questions, based on legitimate suspicions. They are not, for a single moment, conspiracy theories”

1. Why did the news agencies report that WTC 7 collapsed almost 1/2 hour before it did, even though it was not hit by a plane, only had a few floors on fire, and gave no indication that it was in any serious danger?

2. Why do we still believe the tale of the 19 hijackers when so many of the accused hijackers showed up ALIVE within days? And why do we still believe the fable of the 19 hijackers when the FBI admitted that they are not sure about either the identity of the hijackers or if there were any hijackers at all?

3. Why was WTC 7 rebuilt, reopened and reoccupied with no press attention? Wouldn’t this be an important victory in American resolve and perseverance?

4. Why were the NORAD rules changed for the first time several weeks prior to 9/11, taking responsibility/authority for shooting down hijacked planes away from NORAD military command for the first time in its history, and given to a civilian, Donald Rumsfeld, and then returned to NORAD the day after 9/11?

5. Why would hijackers planning on attacking NY and Washington DC drive from Florida, pass both DC and NY, and drive all the way to Maine and hinge this huge operation on a connecting flight from Maine to Boston, where we are told they hijacked their plane? Why wouldn’t they fly out of any of the airports that are visible from their targets, like Newark, La Guardia or JFK…or even some of the smaller local airports that would have given them a clear easy path to their target and reduce the amount of time that our air defense systems would have to stop them?

6. Who placed all of those put options on the airlines just prior to the event, as if they knew that the stock prices on those specific airlines would lose a huge amount of value?

7. Why did George W. Bush’s Secret Service detail not rush the president to safety when it was evident that the nation was under attack? If the nation was under attack, and they did not know the scope of the attack, and the president’s location was known, how did they not worry about being attacked in Florida?. Why did they act as if they knew that there was no threat? And why, when our nation was under attack, did the president not rush into action? If you say he was concerned about upsetting the children, you are the ultimate apologist. He could have told them that his mommy was on the phone and he had to see what she wanted. Our county was supposedly being attacked and he/they waited 20 minutes before they moved. This is the smoking gun of smoking guns.

8. Why did the FBI never list Osama bin Laden as being wanted for 9/11? Actually, we know this one…because they admitted that they had no evidence linking him to the event.

9. Why was their molten metal flowing under the wreckage of the WTC for months? No jet fuel can melt metal, and nothing explainable could melt that much metal and keep it hot enough to remain molten for a month.

10. How did a passport of one of the so called hijackers make it through the huge fireball and end up on the street?

11. Why have photos from the 80+ cameras confiscated at the Pentagon never been released?

12. Why did the airplane that supposedly crashed at Shanksville vaporize so that nothing remained, not bodies, not luggage, not metal, – nothing – for the first time in aviation history? However, we are told that even though the plane vaporized at Shanksville, a hand-written note from a hijacker was found.

reply to post by lkpuede


You know, when I first went online back in 1993, when I was 12, on AOL on a really dull Apple that belonged to my friend's stepdad, my friend and I went straight to the chat rooms to call people *bitches" and "assholes" and "idiots" and "retards" and we made fun of things they would say, and we would say ridiculous things about their mom or who we were.

It was totally ridiculous, puerile and a waste of time. And, at least for me, it got old after two afternoons of it and I didn't rediscover the internet until I was 16 when we got it at our house.

My point? Some people still think logging in and making ridiculous, outrageous or hateful comments is amusing, and I hear you even get paid for it nowadays...that's amazing.

I have always thought the PA flight was shot down. No witnesses...

reply to post by lilowl53

If anyone else can find a plane crash site that is just a hole, I want to see it.

Well, start here
Or you can google airline crash debris fields and look, they are all different, as you agreed earlier.

Check this one out....from a different conspiracy theory for Flight 93. They think a plane did crash and the was a secondary debris field.
What? They are saying there was debris and in a different place. Oh, which conspiracy theory to believe?

Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by lkpuede

 

You know, when I first went online back in 1993, when I was 12, on AOL on a really dull Apple that belonged to my friend's stepdad, my friend and I went straight to the chat rooms to call people *bitches" and "assholes" and "idiots" and "retards" and we made fun of things they would say, and we would say ridiculous things about their mom or who we were.

It was totally ridiculous, puerile and a waste of time. And, at least for me, it got old after two afternoons of it and I didn't rediscover the internet until I was 16 when we got it at our house.

My point? Some people still think logging in and making ridiculous, outrageous or hateful comments is amusing, and I hear you even get paid for it nowadays...that's amazing.

of course it's silly. but is it any more silly then anybody else around here says? all the above was gleamed from the tarded comments made around here all day long and accepted as fact. i try to talk sense, but nobody listens. so whatever...i've decided that i'm gonna be on the side of the nuts.

Yea the Greys come to my crib. they come every weekend (because i'm Special), and on a regular basis. i can never get to my cellphone because i'm put into an alien/demonic trance and then my friends from the Galactic Federation of Light snap me out of it and everything is normal.

but i never actually see my friends from the Galactic Federation of Light because the only connect with me on spiritual level.

my friends from the GFL are the ones who also told me about the aliens/demons from the 10th Dimension that can walk throught walls, but need material ships to travel to other Dimensions. the 10th Dimension aliens are the ones who sent ELEnin (and then told Casey Anthony to break it up with her Secret Signal) to destroy All Life On Earth Except The Special Ones (like me) so we can raise up to the Fifth Level Of Spirituality.

the GFL also told me that of all the civilizations currently in existance, earth is the most important, even though they are a bunch of savages who only accidently discovered nuclear power, is the most important planet in all of God's creation. that's why all the demon alien ships come here and steal our precious DNA. because we are Special, even though we are about to be destroyed, in the Most Spactacular Of Fashions...

oh yea...the GFL said they (The Draconians) was gonna kill us on or about December 21, 2012. that's if the Lizard people don't interviene or change the time line. then i was teleported to the Kingdom of The Lizard People to see if humanity couldn't at least get one more Christmas in before The Earth Is Destroyed. they told me they might think about it. anyway, it was the GLF that told the Mayans or Incas What Fate Would Befall The Humans. I don't rightly remember. I was still in my sleep induced paralysis when the teleported me through time to see the Transfering Of The Secret and Ancient Wisdom to the Mayans or Incas or whoever it was.