New Pa. 9/11 video shows smoke after Flight 93 crash

Originally posted by waypastvne
reply to post by ATH911

 

WE also have to take your word for it, that it's not in the right place.

I never said your spot isn't in the right place, am asking for you to prove that it is. Can you?

Why did killtown Leave out the 580 mph velocity of the fuel when he did his "investigation" ?

killtown [at] yahoo [dot] com

And why did he leave out the tip vortices drifting through the fire ball ? Airplanes do make vortices you know.

They did? How did they do that???

Why does the way you think UA93 crashed differ so much from the way Wally Miller said the explanation was in that video were he was "pestered" by those 3 truthers?

Originally posted by ATH911


Yes all of those whiteness that said they saw a plane crash. Yes, those are the ones.

Well they all contradict the official story and most DIDN'T see it crash. Most lost sight of it before it supposedly crashed.


So you are saying, they saw the plane about to crash.... but that it didn't actually crash because they lost site? Are you saying there was some kind of magical, mid air switcharoo, taking place?

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


Yes ATH911 is saying that an inverted aircraft disappearing behind a tree line after which a large fireball rises from that spot means a plane did not crash there.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
So you are saying, they saw the plane about to crash.... but that it didn't actually crash because they lost site? Are you saying there was some kind of magical, mid air switcharoo, taking place?

Just stating the reported facts. Example:

Terry Butler saw the plane bank right at the top of its climb, then lost sight of it behind some trees. Within three or four seconds, there was the impact, marked, he remembered, by four explosions.

www.theage.com.au...

Originally posted by ATH911
Why does the way you think UA93 crashed differ so much from the way Wally Miller said the explanation was in that video were he was "pestered" by those 3 truthers?

I am asking you questions like this one:

Can you tell me what forces would be exerted on an inverted aircraft positive G's, and how these would differ from the forces on a non inverted aircraft, same angle, same speed ?

to see if you have the basic knowledge to understand the answers. If you don't understand aerodynamics and forces what's the point.

reply to post by waypastvne

Anytime you want to stop JREFering (i.e. trolling) and start answering my questions, let me know.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Can you tell me what forces would be exerted on an inverted aircraft positive G's, and how these would differ from the forces on a non inverted aircraft, same angle, same speed ?

No, tell me.

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


Because the whole 9/11 terrorists attacks were faked?
I'm assuming you're one of those who believes a plane did the pentagon, crashed in PA, anddddd the twin towers.

reply to post by diddy1234


worked fine for me...could have just been a lot of traffic at the moment you tried...I just viewed it at 9:25 pm Pacific time and it works

reply to post by lilowl53

I could never figure out the whole flight 93 incident either....first of all what happened to all the taped phone calls from the plane to wives of men who were going to try and stop the terrorists? We never heard of them again.....also one of the wives (Beverly Eckert)who fought to uncover the truth of what happened that day died a few years back on flight 3407 outside buffalo ny when it mysteriously crashed....coincidence??? also....if that flight never crashed as some conspiracy theorists say.......what chills me to the bone is what became of the people on that flight and the plane? Was it shot down by the government somewhere else? Worse....did the plane land and the crew and passengers mysteriously disappear? Whos to say if this new video of smoke is not something brewed up by our government to remind us a plane did crash there? Another case of mind control? You be the judge

reply to post by gimme_some_truth

Not thinking too much about the guy dying.... It happens.... There would be no reason to "off him" and then release is video... If they were trying to silence him, they might off him and then burn the tape....

I Agree with you there, why release the video now? we can only see smoke coming from the ground unless the guy they are trying to silence knew something more then that, and since like you and others are saying the guy is on the way to die, why did the MSM and government realease this week before the 9/11 weekend? it just doesnt add up.

The guy could have released the video last year.

Originally posted by truthandjusticeprevail
[.also one of the wives (Beverly Eckert)who fought to uncover the truth of what happened that day died a few years back on flight 3407 outside buffalo ny when it mysteriously crashed....coincidence???

There is no mystery about that crash. The wing iced up and it stalled. No mystery.

Originally posted by ATH911

Originally posted by waypastvne

Can you tell me what forces would be exerted on an inverted aircraft positive G's, and how these would differ from the forces on a non inverted aircraft, same angle, same speed ?

No, tell me.

Oh come on truther Its easy, here let me help. Here is a drawing of a 40 deg. inverted Boeing 757. I put some different coloured arrows on it. Now can you tell me what force each of those different coloured arrows represents ?

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by lilowl53

 

What has not added up though? ( Forgive me, I don't usually get into the 9/11 forums.)

People attempted to highjack a plane, and they ended up crashing into the ground killing everyone on board because they were unable to keep control of the plane long enough to make it to the white house.

I don't know. makes sense to me. But again, I don't get into the 9/11 forums so I am not all that up on the 9/11 conspiracies.

The problem here is that the actual evidence...both from eyewitnesses and debris scattered for several miles....indicates that the plane was experiencing partial break-up before impact, which is contrary to the official reports.

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by lilowl53
reply to post by gimme_some_truth

 

There is a movie about flight 93 that was made to re-enacted the events that happend on the plane before it crashed based on cell phone calls. You should try to find it and take a look. It's super cheesey.

The crash site itself looked NOTHING like a plane crash site. There were no big peices of plane laying about, just a smoking hole, with little bits here and there scattered about. Some believe that this was merly a man made explosion to "appear" to be a plane crash. They never found a flight recorder or black box. I have none of my own evidence of course, I was living in Colorado at the time.

My own point of view here is that this new video is a faked video to drive home the fear and to make sure we still believe what the FBI told us happened.

So, you are an expert on aviation and crashes in the aviation industry? How do you know what a plane crash is supposed to look like? especially not knowing the full details of everything that happened... speed, angle, amount of fuel...

I am just saying.... I am no expert either.... and I don't know what a crash site should look like and what should be visible... Neither do you. Not to be rude. I really am trying to make sense of it all.

thanks for bearing with me.

Also... What fear is left? I mean... That fear from 9/11 are people still living in fear around here? I hope not... I mean... that is exactly what they want.. Who ever they are.... for us to live in fear... fear is the ultimate control tool....

So why live in fear? Go about your everyday lives... be happy.. If something happens it happens.. We can deal with it then....

Did this video make you afraid? I felt no fear.

edit on 6-9-2011 by gimme_some_truth because: (no reason given)

Trying to reason with paranoid people is a not gonna go any where bro.

why is it everytime something eventful happens in America, there is conspiracy and government involvement?
how many incidents must take place, before the american public will realise that their government is their country's own worst enemy.
not only do they do the bidding of the illuminati, they also try to police the world, by involving themselves in other country's business and in the same process they plunder and steal their natural resources.
it's a matter of time,......they will not be able to hide all their dirty secrets for long. somewhere, somehow, their lies en deception will come to the fore.

Originally posted by lilowl53
I had never heard of this man until now. The video also, to me, could be from anywhere, and the smoke could be made by anything, meaning that this doesn't have to be from that day or even in PA for that matter. I just can't wrap my mind around the whole flight 93 thing at all. It just has never added up for me.

yep same here.. no real wreckage to speak of and a bunker buster/drone would have a near effect as well.. and DOH the video surfaces to keep the story alive..

pretty convenient

On the topic of shock waves, 5 or 6 miles is nothing. I have been around several plane crashes, and other various explosions. A sizable explosion of even around 100lbs of prell can be felt for miles. I lived near a quarry and a munitions disposal plant, and the shock waves from these two places were drastic. They would even break windows in town now and then. These two sites were around 15 miles away. As for plane crashes, I have been near 2 of them. Both were smaller planes, nowhere near the size of the one reported to have crashed here. Both of them were military jets. Both of these were very evident at ranges of several miles, they definitely shook my surroundings. The smoke from these 2 plane crashes was similar to this one as well. At first there was a huge ball of fire, then a small smoldering pile. The problem with them was they were not crashed in a spot that had a lot to burn, no building was involved, and the field it crashed into was a green pasture.

For those who wanted to know, this is Dave Berkebiles' commentary on the longest version(One minute and fifteen seconds) I could find...

Begin.

"This is the ..uh..remains of a airplane crash over on uh Lambertsville Road..."

"And probably they had a terrorist uh bomb on board that blew up...Uh don't know anything more than that that's what I heard on the scanner."

"I just saw the smoke come up, and uh the explosion shook the house clear over here and we are what fifteen mile from Lambertsville."

"And it shook the heck out of the house. I don't know what else is happening they ran one into the pentagon and into the World Trade Center and we were watching it on TV and this one happened."

(Long pause)

"And a great big black cloud just mushroomed right up into the air....and uh it shook the house, shook everybodies houses...I wonder if there's anything left of Lambertsville?"

End


What I almost couldn't believe when I read it, was that it appears this was donated by Val McClatchey, the woman who supposedly took a photo of flight 93's explosion smoke cloud..

From this site(www.blackfive.net...), they are saying that Dave and his wife tried to turn this video into the media (the feds too you have to assume , right?) and that no one would even look at it.

So apparently after Val McClatchey came to everyone's attention they decided to give her a copy of the video. Then Val decided to donate it, five years later, to the National Park Service for it's oral history of 9/11, so it could be preserved in history.

Cathy said that Dave offered the video to the television news but nobdy took him up on the offer or were even interested in looking at it. Berkebile didn't know quite what to do with the video, so he gave it to Val McClatchey five years ago.

Berkebile passed away last February at 80 years old. Val has donated his video to the National Park Service for its oral history of September 11, where it will be preserved for history

Video commentary, and quotes all from this site www.blackfive.net...

By the way, in the same article it says that Dave and his wife jumped right in the car and drove down to the crash site, expecting to help and that all they found was a smoking hole...If this is true, and not more OS supporter embellishment, you have to wonder if Dave has more footage...video of the crash site before the first responders showed up? Nonetheless, you have to wonder did all he really film that day, was a little over one minute of video? I doubt it. Maybe this is why we never even heard of this guy before, not even a witness account from him seems to be given at any time prior to this (at least that I could find after doing some googling). Think about that..then walah..he passes away(can't answer any questions) and now all of a sudden he comes to light...

There is an onslaught of "this is how 9/11 happened" in the media in the UK for the past 2~ weeks, is it the same in the US? I'm talking tv adverts, multiple documentaries on various channels, internet news, interviews....

"New" moon landing footage supposedly released recently too, haven't seen it personally though