New Pa. 9/11 video shows smoke after Flight 93 crash

Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by lkpuede

 

Listen, I'm not one to say that blogging and posting solve any problems. And I'm all but tired of posting on sites because of people like you and people you are mocking.

What would you like me to do about the problems in the world? I haven't done my best, but I'm also locked into a society that requires me to live a certain way, do certain things. I could devote every day to this and build up a body of research beyond what I've already read and then go stand on a street corner. However, I've learned that standing on a street corner with a few friends just makes you look like an idiot.

See, protesting in public spaces has evolved into a sort of mockery and when it has more than a few, people worry it's a riot. The truth is that some posterboard can never hold enough information for a passer-by to read in the few moments they have to read it from their car. It's the same as how a three minute sound-byte festival on FOX or MSNBC will never have enough time to really get into the meat and potatoes of an issue, but we are notw a society with no patience to look at something and learn about it. Forums like this tend to be the only place - maybe aside from meet and greets with coffee and cookies at some guys house - where people can actual discuss issues, for better or for worse.

So, please, feel free to critique what I've done with my time as you whittle away yours. 9/11 investigations, wars, corporate greed, environmental abuses, they are not all easy issues to deal with and I do not have the answer to combat the pay-to-play media arm that runs on more money than I have in my bank account.

i think you are right.

and now instead of chasing my tail around and swearing all up and down Fifth Avenue that that shadow i saw in the corner was a government agent/Draconian/alien demon, i think i'll go practice my tre flip.

at least that has repeatable results that can be easily seen by anyone anywhere at anytime.

reply to post by lkpuede


Now that you've successfully derailed the thread and are advocating us Truthers to instead subscribe to the illusion of Democracy.

I believe that this part of the reason why people are here on ATS discussing conspiracies as well as having lost confidence in our system of Government is exemplified by our last Presidential Election.

Our Choices were....

The Old Grumpy White Guy who advocated " Bomb Bomb Bomb....Bomb Bomb Iran..."
OR
The Smiley Non White Guy who sold us on Change..Change for the Good.

the American People voted for Change.

The reason why People are here on ATS Bitching about Govt and Conspiracies is ...

So Far , The only CHANGE we have received has been ....


The Change in the Number of Trillions of Dollars in debt our Nation is in ....
.
The Change in the Number of Unemployed ....

The Change in the Number of Wars we are currently involved in ....

Oh and I forgot the last one....

The Change in the Number of Millionaires representing us in Congress...

reply to post by lilowl53


Hey Op, thanks for posting that video.

It makes for interesting conversation.

Me personally , that doesn't look much like the thick black smoke normally found as a result of a Plane crash.

Also, the crater looks fairly small considering the weight and velocity of the craft involved....

Perhaps it's wasn't a 757 after all but was only a cruise missile as used on the Pentagon.

Ignore the SHILLS...their entire purpose is to disrupt these threads.

Don't let your EGO get the best of you and ignore them....

This is the modus operandi of the 911 Threads unfortunately.

And that is The concerted effort to demean and degrade anyone who sides with the Truth here on ATS.

There is a reason as to why the "Ignore" feature was disabled on the ATS Web Site's interface...

People were beginning to "Ignore" the govt. paid shills.... !!

hi guys, new poster.

whatever i think, i can accept everthing they say about 9/11, even if a lot of it seems utter BS. i just cant for the life of me understand how anyone can watch the only footage (why!) of a something hitting the pentagon and think its a plane, ive watched it over and over, how can anyone think its a plane is bizarre, u would at least something resembling a part of it - still baffles me to this day.

The video is irrelevant. Doesn't show anything but a smoke cloud. We can debate for the rest of our lives on what really happened.

Thanks for sharing that video, OP. I try to not give too much credence to videos, since I know they can be "messed with"; however, at the same time, every video I've ever encountered of the incident at the Pentagon shows a hole that does not appear large enough to accommodate an airplane. I do not know what the truth is, but I do believe another investigation is warranted--there are too many unanswered questions, not to mention, the 9/11 Commission didn't even believe their own report.

I am more interested in what first responders to the various 9/11 sites had to say. Here are a few excerpts from those at Shanksville:

"...Witness Joe Wilt, 63, said he heard A WHISTLING LIKE A MISSILE, then a loud boom as he stood in the doorway of his Shanksville home across the road from the site. His view was blocked by a group of trees, but he said he saw a fireball rise 800 feet into the air, then give way to black smoke.
''It exploded and you could see flames and debris everywhere, right over that tree over there,'' Wilt said, pointing. He heard from a relative who worked at a small business less than one mile to the west that the plane had passed low overhead, heading southeast before crashing.
The Boeing 757 passenger plane hit the ground in a large open field, creating a crater nearly 20 feet wide and 15 feet deep before slamming into the forest line. It left a charred image burnt into the tall grass, but nothing recognizable as an airplane. Captain Frank Monaco, commanding officer of the Pennsylvania State Police, said NOTHING LARGER THAN A TELEPHONE BOOK REMAINED. There were no survivors..."

"...At least two witnesses in Shanksville said they saw A LARGE PLANE CIRCLING THE CRASH SITE FOLLOWING THE EXPLOSION. About two or three minutes after the explosion, the airplane climbed into the sky almost vertically, the witnesses said.
“It sure wasn’t no puddle jumper,” said Bob Page, general sales manager at Shanksville Dodge..."


"...At least four witnesses who were at the crash scene within five minutes of the crash told WTAE's Paul Van Osdol that THEY SAW ANOTHER PLANE in the area.
Somerset County resident Jim Brandt said that he saw another plane in the area. He said it stayed there for one or two minutes before leaving.
Another Somerset County resident, Tom Spinello, said that he saw the plane. He said that IT HAD HIGH BACK WINGS.
Both men said that THE PLANE HAD NO MARKINGS on it, either civilian or military. The FBI said that it does not think that it was a military plane, but it would not rule out the possibility of it being a civilian plane..."

"...Paula Pluta of Stonycreek Township was watching a television rerun of “Little House on the Prairie” when the plane went down about 1,500 yards from her home along Lambertsville Road at Little Prairie Lane.
“I looked out the window and SAW THE PLANE NOSE-DIVE RIGHT INTO THE GROUND,” she said, barefoot and shaken just 45 minutes after the crash.
The explosion buckled her garage doors and blasted open a latched window on her home, she said.
“It was just a streak of silver. Then a fireball shot up as high as the clouds. There was no way anybody could have survived. I called 911 right away.
“There was no way anything was left,” Pluta added. “There was just charred pieces of metal and a big hole. The plane didn’t slide into the crash. It went straight into the ground. Wings out. Nose down...”

killtown.911review.org...

reply to post by lkpuede


You didn't derail, everyone is ignoring you. Go be a troll else where.

reply to post by Habit4ming



Was Paula Pluta the only person not watching the news that day? Her accounts may be more creditable, since she hadn't been swayed by the media into thinking it was a terrorist or bomb. The whole reason I posted the video is because I didn't think it actually was done on 9/11, not that it didn't look like a plane crash, although over the course of this thread it has turned into an all out war over the fact.

The Second Debris Field

The second debris field has been brought up many times in this thread so lets take a closer look at it.

The town of New Baltimore is located 8 miles south east of the crash site. IT WAS STRAIGHT DOWN WIND OF THE CRASH SITE on sept 11. This is the furthest distance that debris was collected.



Most of the debris collected in New Baltimore was found in the back yard of this church by a grounds keeper and collected by Melanie Hankinson.



Melanie Hankinson.

"The village of New Baltimore is a dozen or more miles by automobile but eight as the wind blows, which it was doing a year ago. Melanie Hankinson was at the church next to her home, transfixed before a television that showed the World Trade Center ablaze, when the man who sprays her lawn stopped by to tell her he was finding odd things in the weeds.

"He said there was a loud bang and smoke and then these papers started blowing through your yard," she said. "I said, 'Oh.' Then I went back to the TV." Then the parish priest, the Rev. Allen Zeth, told her an airplane had crashed in Shanksville.

For the next few hours, Hankinson gathered charred pages of in-flight magazines, papers from a pilot's manual -- she remembers a map showing the Guadalajara, Mexico, airport -- and copies of stock portfolio monthly earnings reports.

"And there was some black webbing -- a lot of people found that," she said. The webbing, flexible where it hadn't burned, crisp where it had, was from insulation lining the belly of the jetliner."

What she is describing in those last two sentences is carbon fiber. The resin in carbon fiber is flammable, the carbon fiber is not. When it burns, the resin disappears and only the cloth is left. She just has the burnt and unburnt backwards.

The debris that she collected is spread out on the kitchen table in this photo.



A payroll check was also found outside the home of Andy Stoe. What is seen in these two photos is the total debris collected from New Baltimore. Yes, this is what all the fuss is about.



Also located down wind of the crash site is the Indian Lake Marina. It's 2.4 miles from the crater.



If you look at the top photo in this post you will see the yellow line passes directly over the marina. Both are directly inline with the wind.



The majority of debris collected at Indian Lake was also paper and carbon fiber.

quote John Fleegle
By Wednesday morning, crash debris began washing ashore at the marina. Fleegle said there was something that looked like a rib bone amid pieces of seats, small chunks of melted plastic and checks

The rib bone turned out not to be human.

John Fleegle collecting fragments of carbon fiber.



The parts of a Boeing 757 made from composites are the external skins of the rudder, vertical stabiliser, elevator, horizontal stabiliser, ailerons, flaps, slats, wing fairing, gear doors, nose cone, and floor.
If you are looking for the tail of the plane you should be looking for something like this.



Carbon fiber with honeycomb still attached.



So how did this debris travel so far. It was carried by this cloud. When the mushroom cloud rose up it carried the debris with it. The position of the cloud in this photo is just past Indian Lake and on its way to New Baltimore.



Video of a thermal going through a camp site for those of you who say air can't pick things up and carry them.

Originally posted by Theprimevoyager
The video is irrelevant. Doesn't show anything but a smoke cloud. We can debate for the rest of our lives on what really happened.

well, that's the plan. oh i'm sorry...The Plan. let's all just chase our tails all day long, come to no conclusion, and then somebody else will come along and say:

"A friend of mine who is the friend of a friend who used to work with a guy who was the friend of the guy who filled the tires of a guy who worked for NASA 70 years ago told me that The Greys/Draconians/New Power Elite were going to do this. and I put together a file on the whole thing but The Galactic Federation of Light snuck into my bedroom one night and stole the file. and sorry i didn't manage to snap off a pic (although my iPhone is attached to my hand like a sixth finger) because they had me in somekind of demonic/alien/Lizard people paralytic sleep trance."

that's what they do around here. it's like one big running joke. let's start talking about something that cannot be verified, or expound ad nausium on results that simply cannot be replicated, thereby we can say whatever outrageous thing that crosses our mind.

"look at me. i'm Special. i found a piece of carbon fibre in the river. couldn't possibly be the carbon fibre factory up the street dumped it here, has to be a New Power Elite Conspiracy." couldn't be these people they interviewed were fame-hungry and got paid a pretty penny for this so-called "testimony." oh yea...and a plane crashed and i saw smoke. must be a conspiracy.

pretty sad for a site that used to be really cool.

i don't know why they don't just go skate. it's really fulfilling when you get that frontside darkslide together. much more satisfying than chasing ghosts...at least it is for some people.

Originally posted by zarp3333
I will go to my grave absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that flight 93 was shot down by f16s on Cheyney's order (pronounced Chee-nee btw according to sen Allan simpson). And here's why:

On the morning of 911 I was at work at msnbc studios at 400 N Capitol st washing dc. That's where Hardball with Chris Matthews is taped. Information was coming in from all over including our new York studio and from our whitehouse correspondant.

Before the towers fell we got word there was an unresponsive plane on the east coast. Not long after, word came from the whitehouse that Cheyney had given the order to shoot it down. Nobody was surprised. We had a crew shooting at the whitehouse that morning that saw the jet which went on to the pentagon, fly very low over the wh.

Soon after, word came a plane was shot down. It seemed like five minutes later, a woman was in the studio completely hysterical claiming to be the wife of one of the passengers on flight 93. The producers were trying to decide whether or not to put her on air. She wanted Dick's head on a platter saying he was a cold blooded murderer no different than the terrorists.

A couple of guys with dark suits and IFB earpieces came in and escorted her away. I figured she was dead meat. To my absolute amazement, she was back a couple hours later looking like she just got a fat shot of Demerol and she had the most, to me, ridiculous story of how her husband and some other passengers had overpowered the hijackers and so on.

I had thought I had seen the best spin doctors in the business appearing on chris' show and on Fox News located on the fifth floor of the same building where I filled in from time to time. But this whopper took the cake. I wasn't the only person to smell a rat but on that day, anything was possible.

Just how did they get the story? Don't give me the bit about cell phones. There were a couple conversations picked up on the Tarmac at National Airport. But cell phones don't work once your off the ground very high. It's bull crap.

I would have done the same thing and shot it down. What chaps my ass is the automatic inclination to lie when we could have handled the truth. I still have home video of standing on the roof on 400 North Cap waiting for flight 93 to smash into the Capitol building just across the street in case any of you shills, who were not working at Msnbc want proof

Thank You for your contribution. I do believe you because I received a phone call from someone i know well in Quantico VA who was working as an instructor at the FBI. he called my house and told me we were about to shoot down a plane headed for the White House, then he got off the phone with me.

I know the truth, also, and I really pity the fools that believe the OS. These are the same fools with dead kids who they call war heroes.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by lilowl53

 

Strange that he kept this to himself until he died.

You mean, strange that he kept this to himself until he "died."

Originally posted by MentalGiant

Originally posted by zarp3333
I will go to my grave absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that flight 93 was shot down by f16s on Cheyney's order (pronounced Chee-nee btw according to sen Allan simpson). And here's why:

On the morning of 911 I was at work at msnbc studios at 400 N Capitol st washing dc. That's where Hardball with Chris Matthews is taped. Information was coming in from all over including our new York studio and from our whitehouse correspondant.

Before the towers fell we got word there was an unresponsive plane on the east coast. Not long after, word came from the whitehouse that Cheyney had given the order to shoot it down. Nobody was surprised. We had a crew shooting at the whitehouse that morning that saw the jet which went on to the pentagon, fly very low over the wh.

Soon after, word came a plane was shot down. It seemed like five minutes later, a woman was in the studio completely hysterical claiming to be the wife of one of the passengers on flight 93. The producers were trying to decide whether or not to put her on air. She wanted Dick's head on a platter saying he was a cold blooded murderer no different than the terrorists.

A couple of guys with dark suits and IFB earpieces came in and escorted her away. I figured she was dead meat. To my absolute amazement, she was back a couple hours later looking like she just got a fat shot of Demerol and she had the most, to me, ridiculous story of how her husband and some other passengers had overpowered the hijackers and so on.

I had thought I had seen the best spin doctors in the business appearing on chris' show and on Fox News located on the fifth floor of the same building where I filled in from time to time. But this whopper took the cake. I wasn't the only person to smell a rat but on that day, anything was possible.

Just how did they get the story? Don't give me the bit about cell phones. There were a couple conversations picked up on the Tarmac at National Airport. But cell phones don't work once your off the ground very high. It's bull crap.

I would have done the same thing and shot it down. What chaps my ass is the automatic inclination to lie when we could have handled the truth. I still have home video of standing on the roof on 400 North Cap waiting for flight 93 to smash into the Capitol building just across the street in case any of you shills, who were not working at Msnbc want proof

Thank You for your contribution. I do believe you because I received a phone call from someone i know well in Quantico VA who was working as an instructor at the FBI. he called my house and told me we were about to shoot down a plane headed for the White House, then he got off the phone with me.

I know the truth, also, and I really pity the fools that believe the OS. These are the same fools with dead kids who they call war heroes.

hmmm...let's think on this for one calm minute. a hijacked plane is headed for the White House, where, presumably, the President is currently sitting, watching these horrible events unfold.

oh but wait...he planned them in the first place. either he planned them, or his friends planned it, right? that's what the innuendo says. so no, he wasn't in the White House, was he? he was somewhere with The New Power Elite, eating popcorn, and watching the whole horrible (but planned) event unfold.

but i digress.

a plane is heading for the Seat Of Government, but it shouldn't be shot down. ok. but if we say the passengers themselves took control of the plane, that couldn't happen either, even though the passengers far outnumber the terrorists.

seems to me they can't win either way.

so let's just call the New Power Elite and have them somehow vaporize the plane in mid flight, and at the same moment project an image of a plane onto the clear morning sky, and make it look like that plane crashed. and as if that isn't quite enough to strain the imagination, we'll just somehow get there before anyone else, including the news agencies (oh, i forgot we control them so just tell them to give us a hot 15 minutes), and strew garbage on the ground and say it was a plane crash. oh yea, and bring the smoke machine. and don't forget to dump some carbon fibre into the river so some poor schmuck can find it. then send an interview team to interview him, pay him some good money, and coach him carefully on what he should say. and make it clear the more sensational it is, the fatter his check will be.

is that how it happened?

i wouldn't talk bad about the families of the people who lost their sons/daughters in wars. it's not their fault they were manipulated into believing something that only contained about 1% truth. they died for lies, but they still died for what saw to be the truth...and they did so in the colors of their country.

Originally posted by lkpuede

Originally posted by MentalGiant

Originally posted by zarp3333
I will go to my grave absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that flight 93 was shot down by f16s on Cheyney's order (pronounced Chee-nee btw according to sen Allan simpson). And here's why:

On the morning of 911 I was at work at msnbc studios at 400 N Capitol st washing dc. That's where Hardball with Chris Matthews is taped. Information was coming in from all over including our new York studio and from our whitehouse correspondant.

Before the towers fell we got word there was an unresponsive plane on the east coast. Not long after, word came from the whitehouse that Cheyney had given the order to shoot it down. Nobody was surprised. We had a crew shooting at the whitehouse that morning that saw the jet which went on to the pentagon, fly very low over the wh.

Soon after, word came a plane was shot down. It seemed like five minutes later, a woman was in the studio completely hysterical claiming to be the wife of one of the passengers on flight 93. The producers were trying to decide whether or not to put her on air. She wanted Dick's head on a platter saying he was a cold blooded murderer no different than the terrorists.

A couple of guys with dark suits and IFB earpieces came in and escorted her away. I figured she was dead meat. To my absolute amazement, she was back a couple hours later looking like she just got a fat shot of Demerol and she had the most, to me, ridiculous story of how her husband and some other passengers had overpowered the hijackers and so on.

I had thought I had seen the best spin doctors in the business appearing on chris' show and on Fox News located on the fifth floor of the same building where I filled in from time to time. But this whopper took the cake. I wasn't the only person to smell a rat but on that day, anything was possible.

Just how did they get the story? Don't give me the bit about cell phones. There were a couple conversations picked up on the Tarmac at National Airport. But cell phones don't work once your off the ground very high. It's bull crap.

I would have done the same thing and shot it down. What chaps my ass is the automatic inclination to lie when we could have handled the truth. I still have home video of standing on the roof on 400 North Cap waiting for flight 93 to smash into the Capitol building just across the street in case any of you shills, who were not working at Msnbc want proof

Thank You for your contribution. I do believe you because I received a phone call from someone i know well in Quantico VA who was working as an instructor at the FBI. he called my house and told me we were about to shoot down a plane headed for the White House, then he got off the phone with me.

I know the truth, also, and I really pity the fools that believe the OS. These are the same fools with dead kids who they call war heroes.

hmmm...let's think on this for one calm minute. a hijacked plane is headed for the White House, where, presumably, the President is currently sitting, watching these horrible events unfold.

oh but wait...he planned them in the first place. either he planned them, or his friends planned it, right? that's what the innuendo says. so no, he wasn't in the White House, was he? he was somewhere with The New Power Elite, eating popcorn, and watching the whole horrible (but planned) event unfold.

but i digress.

a plane is heading for the Seat Of Government, but it shouldn't be shot down. ok. but if we say the passengers themselves took control of the plane, that couldn't happen either, even though the passengers far outnumber the terrorists.

seems to me they can't win either way.

so let's just call the New Power Elite and have the somehow vaporize the plane in mid flight, then we'll just somehow get there before anyone else, including the news agencies (oh, i forgot we control them so just tell them to give us a hot 15 minutes), and strew garbage on the ground and say it was a plane crash. oh yea, and bring the smoke machine.

is that how it happened?

i wouldn't talk bad about the families of the people who lost their sons/daughters in wars. it's not their fault they were manipulated into believing something that only contained about 1% truth. they died for lies, but they still died for what saw to be the truth...and they did so in the colors of their country.

edit on 7-9-2011 by lkpuede because: (no reason given)

1. The president was NOT at the White house that day sitting anywghere....You FAIL
2. Why is it not an adults fault for supporting a corporate war for profit...you FAIL

Go practice more on your skateboard!!!!!!

There is NOTHING patriotic or hero like about our Military in these days. YOU Fail...

Originally posted by MentalGiant

Originally posted by lkpuede

Originally posted by MentalGiant

Originally posted by zarp3333
I will go to my grave absolutely certain beyond a shadow of a doubt that flight 93 was shot down by f16s on Cheyney's order (pronounced Chee-nee btw according to sen Allan simpson). And here's why:

On the morning of 911 I was at work at msnbc studios at 400 N Capitol st washing dc. That's where Hardball with Chris Matthews is taped. Information was coming in from all over including our new York studio and from our whitehouse correspondant.

Before the towers fell we got word there was an unresponsive plane on the east coast. Not long after, word came from the whitehouse that Cheyney had given the order to shoot it down. Nobody was surprised. We had a crew shooting at the whitehouse that morning that saw the jet which went on to the pentagon, fly very low over the wh.

Soon after, word came a plane was shot down. It seemed like five minutes later, a woman was in the studio completely hysterical claiming to be the wife of one of the passengers on flight 93. The producers were trying to decide whether or not to put her on air. She wanted Dick's head on a platter saying he was a cold blooded murderer no different than the terrorists.

A couple of guys with dark suits and IFB earpieces came in and escorted her away. I figured she was dead meat. To my absolute amazement, she was back a couple hours later looking like she just got a fat shot of Demerol and she had the most, to me, ridiculous story of how her husband and some other passengers had overpowered the hijackers and so on.

I had thought I had seen the best spin doctors in the business appearing on chris' show and on Fox News located on the fifth floor of the same building where I filled in from time to time. But this whopper took the cake. I wasn't the only person to smell a rat but on that day, anything was possible.

Just how did they get the story? Don't give me the bit about cell phones. There were a couple conversations picked up on the Tarmac at National Airport. But cell phones don't work once your off the ground very high. It's bull crap.

I would have done the same thing and shot it down. What chaps my ass is the automatic inclination to lie when we could have handled the truth. I still have home video of standing on the roof on 400 North Cap waiting for flight 93 to smash into the Capitol building just across the street in case any of you shills, who were not working at Msnbc want proof

Thank You for your contribution. I do believe you because I received a phone call from someone i know well in Quantico VA who was working as an instructor at the FBI. he called my house and told me we were about to shoot down a plane headed for the White House, then he got off the phone with me.

I know the truth, also, and I really pity the fools that believe the OS. These are the same fools with dead kids who they call war heroes.

hmmm...let's think on this for one calm minute. a hijacked plane is headed for the White House, where, presumably, the President is currently sitting, watching these horrible events unfold.

oh but wait...he planned them in the first place. either he planned them, or his friends planned it, right? that's what the innuendo says. so no, he wasn't in the White House, was he? he was somewhere with The New Power Elite, eating popcorn, and watching the whole horrible (but planned) event unfold.

but i digress.

a plane is heading for the Seat Of Government, but it shouldn't be shot down. ok. but if we say the passengers themselves took control of the plane, that couldn't happen either, even though the passengers far outnumber the terrorists.

seems to me they can't win either way.

so let's just call the New Power Elite and have the somehow vaporize the plane in mid flight, then we'll just somehow get there before anyone else, including the news agencies (oh, i forgot we control them so just tell them to give us a hot 15 minutes), and strew garbage on the ground and say it was a plane crash. oh yea, and bring the smoke machine.

is that how it happened?

i wouldn't talk bad about the families of the people who lost their sons/daughters in wars. it's not their fault they were manipulated into believing something that only contained about 1% truth. they died for lies, but they still died for what saw to be the truth...and they did so in the colors of their country.

edit on 7-9-2011 by lkpuede because: (no reason given)

1. The president was NOT at the White house that day sitting anywghere....You FAIL
2. Why is it not an adults fault for supporting a corporate war for profit...you FAIL

ummm...that's what i said. i fail. cause you and your friends said he planned it.

learn how to read.

don't h8...you'll be able to tre flip too if you stop chasing shadows.

Originally posted by nh_ee
reply to post by lilowl53

 

Me personally , that doesn't look much like the thick black smoke normally found as a result of a Plane crash.

Also, the crater looks fairly small considering the weight and velocity of the craft involved....

Perhaps it's wasn't a 757 after all but was only a cruise missile as used on the Pentagon.

Oh we have a specialist from the FAA here, great. How many plane crashes did you already see and analyze in person? Or where is your credentials for evaluating plane smokes, crash sites and craters coming from? You must be fairly experienced evaluating crash sites because you can also immediately spot whether it's a plane or a cruise missile.

/sarcasm

Originally posted by Theprimevoyager
The video is irrelevant. Doesn't show anything but a smoke cloud. We can debate for the rest of our lives on what really happened.

Yes of course it's irrelevant. It's always better to ignore the evidence and choose to debate "for the rest of our lives" instead. Why look at evidence if there is so cool conspiracy theories out there?

Originally posted by waypastvne

The mushroom cloud was exactly were it should be.
Killtown, the truther who made up that story, neglected to take into consideration that fact that the fuel onboard the plane was traveling at 580 mph at the time of impact. Some of the fuel may have drifted just a little beyond the crater when it ignited.

Here's a google earth image showing Val's location, the impact location, and the location of the base of the mushroom cloud.

Again, how did you determine the location of the base of the mushroom cloud for your mock up?