A Dire Metaphysical Warning to all Atheists!

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Who said that? Satan? It's too bad that AA does not teach a more spiritual approach!

reply to post by blazenresearcher


I don't hold to that kind of view or experience, but make no mistake, there is nothing more "personal" than God. On that note we have to simply agree to disagree.

Originally posted by TheOven
I would rather keep my options open.

Since No one has a clear picture of what god really is, so pledging yourself blindly to him could have dire consequences for you.

What if the god you chose is really just some creepy dude named elroy and your stuck washing his car for eternity.

lol, we call that hell and the car never gets clean!

i think of all i know and don't know and i am comfortable with a god.

something set this all in motion, nothing seems to be an accident.

we live for what, 70yrs? (as an single entity) and we can understand the universe? whether there is or is not a god?

really? presumptuous at best and deff pride driven.

call it quantum/string theory, odin or vishnu or even zeus it doesn't matter.

"dust to dust" star dust, that is. if there is no god why do we think about it?


does your pet think about god? lol, i don't know that answer. but i assume everything does not have to think about it,

only us.

why?

i have a brain for some reason or is it just reason in my brain?

dogmatic religious practices are not my style anymore, for a long time now.

i do find comfort in believing in a higher power rather than believing we are all butt holes as i look around and see what people do to each other and our home.

do we go to heaven or hell when our body gives out?

we will return from whence we came and i don't do tires! lol!

reply to post by blazenresearcher


The point is there's always hope in God, and hell has no bottom anyway. They are speaking from experience, and not literally according to a prescribed religious doctrine of eternal damnation. In fact, the recovered alcoholic (no I was never one) does not believe in it anyway, because..

"He who has been forgiven more, loves more."

No, not Satan, just wisdom from experience, that's all.

Time for a beer! Jk.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


JK...It does not undermine your beliefs to look outside. You may find that you are entirely more enlightened and fulfilled.

From my own experience. God is not a person. There is no heaven and hell....unless you consider leaving this astral realm as in death as heaven...and this place on earth as hell...then I might agree to that similarity to the well publicized heaven and hell.

Do not believe everything you are told and only half of what you see. There are many liars out there for many different reasons. Do not believe that you will be saved! That is one of humanities largest misconseptions...you may ask why...

If you mean saved as in...finally people are coming out of a coma and seeing what is happening? Then Yes, that salvation will happen...but for Jesus to ride down on a cloud and wave his magic hand upon the land in judgement and fear....well that is not going to happen....So when people say or think that I am of a New Age religion...well I am not...but I am for truth.

reply to post by DragonriderGal


Could you answer these questions for me please?

What do you look like as a spirit? What do you sound like? What language do you speak? When you're ready to get in a new body, how do you do it? Is this the only planet you've been to, or have you inhabited beings on other planets? If not, why not? If yes, what planets and what do these beings look like physically?

When you are a spirit, what do you use for thinking, since you more than likely don't have a brain? What do you use for speaking, since you probably don't have vocal cords? What do you use for seeing, as you may not have eye balls connected to the aforementioned brain that you also do not have, or do you? How do you hear if you do not have ears, or do you?

Life is a journey, if there was one correct way to perceive , one level of capacity in which we should experience; all defined within one school of thought , our existence would be trite with unchallenged ignorance. Perhaps noone is meant to end up in the same place when we die ...why is life after death always viewed as bad or good and what defines a "good " or "bad" afterlife ...there may be an infinite number of possibilities and perhaps , having a certain set of beliefs or mind frame allows one to achieve valuable experiences and insight they would not have gained otherwise.
Although I can't agree with atheists, I have the utmost respect for their logic, which I actually consider a breathe of fresh air from time to time. However I will interject a theory in which everyone is familiar with , however I don't think many really take the time to consider. If we are all souls within a body , than we on some level are very aware of matters of the spirit and all things pertaining to ( such as divine consciousness , intervention , etc) so what is it to say that one would die and have shut out "the divine"? (i stay away from using words like god ) Conscious acknowledgment wouldn't have any relevance in an afterlife , or what kind in that matter .

reply to post by blazenresearcher


It was a joke.

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed... The human body contains tons of energy producing electrical impulses to and from the muscles and brain, when you die this energy has to be transferred somewhere because it simply can't be destroyed, therefore for all the atheists out there I would like to hear what you believe happens to this energy a.k.a the human soul...

reply to post by Hydroman

When you are a spirit, what do you use for thinking, since you more than likely don't have a brain? What do you use for speaking, since you probably don't have vocal cords? What do you use for seeing, as you may not have eye balls connected to the aforementioned brain that you also do not have, or do you? How do you hear if you do not have ears, or do you?

This.

If life/experience or "spirits"/"souls" etc can exist outside of the physical realm (in apparent bliss) then why even have a physical realm? Why create this physical realm just so that we can have this elaborate test to determine what happens to all these "souls" for eternity?

Also, since everybody identifies themselves with ever changing human characteristics that are a function of the environment and the human brain (which as a result of evolution is a function of the environment), I would like to hear from people who believe in spirits/souls etc what exactly is carried forward by the soul and what is left behind as merely human characteristics? In other words, if you suddenly died and found yourself as a soul/spirit, how would you know that "you" were "you"? Things like memory and personality are functions of the brain. If they were attached to the soul (or a function of the soul), there would be no need for the brain to store memory or to determine behaviour (as the soul would perform these tasks).

One can only conclude that it is not a test. It is not serious. The true nature of the universe is playful. If all this was created by being(s) in another realm, it was to be more of a game than a serious test. If all this was not created by being(s) in another realm then there is still no reason to take it seriously.

reply to post by warehouse7

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed... The human body contains tons of energy producing electrical impulses to and from the muscles and brain, when you die this energy has to be transferred somewhere because it simply can't be destroyed, therefore for all the atheists out there I would like to hear what you believe happens to this energy a.k.a the human soul...

Although I do not consider myself to be an atheist at all, I will give my thoughts.

The energy powering your muscles/brain comes from the food you eat. All the food you eat comes from once living organisms (yes all of it). When an organism eats it stores energy in fat cells etc. When it dies, this energy may be eaten by other organisms. We humans are not more special (in terms of energy) than the organisms we eat.

reply to post by warehouse7


That's a good point. You're referring of course to the whole frame of reference, at ALL levels within and through which we already have our present moment of being and becoming. By virtue of our own experience, now, the "energy" you speak of, is the same "stuff" both of the universe as a whole, all the way to our innermost self as our unique personal experience; the "qualia" of being one's own true self, or the truth of knowing ourselves, as we really are, and at last "knowing as we are already known, seeing face to face as it were within and by, the already always present now..

You grok.

The way I see what you are saying is "believe in God... Just in case".

Well atleast you guys have become more creative.

reply to post by SpeachM1litant


Yes. But there's more to it than that, the inquiry itself also leads to increasing novelty, as well as "gnosis" and understanding, once the alternative possibility is given it's due consideration, from an evolutionary mystical POV.

Who knows, working together, on both sides of this door, we might make it stronger, bigger and infinitely more inviting and therefore infinitely more fun, because what is "fun" if we're not full of surprises..?

Hey anything's possible...

reply to post by SpeachM1litant

Oh, and BTW - that was absolutely hilarious, but how funny it REALLY is, can only be TRULY appreciated from within the context from which I and a few others are speaking. Then it's even funnier.

Believe in God just in case there is nothing that "is not" (doesn't' compute for this query)

Know God, and be known by God, by recognizing God in the process of making a fearless and open minded inquiry into God ie: be "baptized" so to speak, and discover, first hand, the germinating seed of the wellspring which bubbles up from within, unto eternal life, now. (sorry for the mixed metaphors)

Step three) Love, and grow in the spirit of Wisdom.

Have fun - enjoy.

You just get to the place where the notion of death as an eternal nothing just can't be taken seriously any more without bursting out in the kind of laughter that makes you cry! It's absurd. Ridiculous, meaningless. RIP! ON EVERY tombstone... LOL

It's not "who cares" because there's an eternal nothing there, but who cares now that I'm baptized into the Eternal Godhead, which (who) is my source, my beginning and endless domain of conscious love. The first and the last, the Alpha and Omega. And if I "die" in the hands of that kind of love, then how is that I am so assume that I have no place in eternity, not according to my own will, but in accord with God's infinite wisdom and perfect will. To face God and say to him "thy will be done". However, since it does arise through manifest form in eternity - there is mo time BUT the present moment, as part of an eternal cosmic evolutionary process.

Who would want to miss out on eternity with unending possibilities for creative novelty, in wharever form and in whatever way, however big or small..?

And all we needed was faith the size of but a tiny seed! What we have here is the deluxe sorted nuts! They've got everything in stoe for us! We do, as children of love and light, children of the most High.

Why turn away the inheritance prepared from the time before time, up to the very present?

This thread is really all about a different type of "deathbed". It's about.the resurrection and the incarnation, that is who you really are, as love itself in eternity. And as long as we never turn away from that possibility, AS a possibility, then quite frankly, death of this body and ego makes no difference any more, because we've already found, and been found..

It's a now thing. The kingdom of heaven is STILL at hand, thank God.

It's never "too late".

So "no worries" as they like to say here in Lotus Land.

Best Regard,

NAM

reply to post by Biigs


i like the way you think.

dont really have anything to add, it seems like you summed up everything i could ever think of saying.

Put another way..

If we take God seriously and life lightly, instead of the other way around, life itself becomes a Mighty Joke at death's expensr, and the indignity of absurd injustices, are no longer of any consequence, by comparison.

Consider this until you laugh and cry and then laugh some more, and you will have understanding, not of reason, but one of experience, which is the only real knowledge.

Do you "grok"?

reply to post by NewAgeMan


Why should we take God seriously and not lightly?

Is God serious and not light?

"All energy is borrowed (from mother earth) and one day we will have to give it back." Energy cannot be destroyed and upon our death we become part of the larger scale once again. And who can say that this energy form of which we become there after is not intelligent? Only time will tell.