A Dire Metaphysical Warning to all Atheists!

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Also, as an aside, some people actually do have pre-birth memories.

How do you know that memory can't be transferred through dna? In other words, how do you know that these people are remembering things that happened to their ancestors since they share the same dna? Do we know everything about dna and how it works?

The information is stored out in the racial unconscious. We can access that information via our connection to the racial unconscious thru our unconscious mind. Despite what we are brainwashed to believe, not everything coming from there is 'just our imaginations'.

OP when it comes down to it.....no one will be arguing. The heeded stance will be gone and there will be an effect for each cause. It is law..... some know this by observation while others deny it.

Love your words and love the way you think!!

Originally posted by mr-lizard
Ok, OP may you suggest which God we start believing in, because we all know you religious folk like to swap and change deities every few hundred years or so.

I mean, If it comes down to it - I guess Thor or maybe Odin would be a nice choice, but they were forgotten weren't they?

Maybe Allah, or Hanuman the monkey god, or Shiva, or Vishnu or Loki or Isis?

Help me out here, so many to choose from - so many different options and bonuses with each one.

How about a God of Science?

"The God Theory" by Bernard Haisch
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249274834&sr=8-1

Haisch is an astrophysicist whose professional positions include Staff Scientist at the Lockheed Martin Solar and Astrophysics Laboratory, Deputy Director for the Center for Extreme Ultraviolet Astrophysics at the University of California, Berkeley, and Visiting Fellow at the Max-Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany. His work has led to close involvement with NASA; he is the author of over 130 scientific papers; and was the Scientific Editor of the Astrophysical Journal for nine years, as well as the editor in chief of the Journal of Scientific Exploration.

an excerpt

If you think of whitte light as a metaphor of infinite, formless potential, the colors on a slide or frame of film become a structured reality grounded in the polarity that comes about through intelligent subtraction from that absolute formless potential. It results from the limitation of the unlimited. I contend that this metaphor provides a comprehensible theory for the creation of a manifest reality (our universe) from the selective limitation of infinite potential (God)...
If there exists an absolute realm that consists of infinite potential out of which a created realm of polarity emerges, is there any sensible reason not to call this "God"? Or to put it frankly, if the absolute is not God, what is it? For our purposes here, I will indentify the Absolute with God. More precisely I will call the Absolute the Godhead. Applying this new terminology to the optics analogy, we can conclude that our physical universe comes about when the Godhead selectively limits itself, taking on the role of Creator and manifesting a realm of space and time and, within that realm, filtering out some of its own infinite potential...
Viewed this way, the process of creation is the exact opposite of making something out of nothing. It is, on the contrary, a filtering process that makes something out of everything. Creation is not capricious or random addition; it is intelligent and selective subtraction. The implications of this are profound.

If the Absolute is the Godhead, and if creation is the process by which the Godhead filters out parts of its own infinite potential to manifest a physical reality that supports experience, then the stuff that is left over, the residue of this process, is our physical universe, and ourselves included. We are nothing less than a part of that Godhead - quite literally.

Next, by Ervin Laszlo

Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything, 2004
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-1

And, his other seminal work
Science and the Reenchantment of the Cosmos: The Rise of the Integral Vision of Reality
www.amazon.com...=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1249275852&sr=8-6

Ervin Laszlo is considered one of the foremost thinkers and scientists of our age, perhaps the greatest mind since Einstein. His principal focus of research involves the Zero Point Field. He is the author of around seventy five books (his works having been translated into at least seventeen languages), and he has contributed to over 400 papers. Widely considered the father of systems philosophy and general evolution theory, he has worked as an advisor to the Director-General of the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He was also nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in both 2004 and 2005. A multidisciplinarian, Laszlo has straddled numerous fields, having worked at universities as a professor of philosophy, music, futures studies, systems science, peace studies, and evolutionary studies. He was a sucessful concert pianist until he was thirty eight.

In his view, the zero-point field (or the Akashic Field, as he calls it) is quite literally the "mind of God".

Naming Hal Puthoff, Roger Penrose, Fritz-Albert Popp, and a handful of others as "front line investigators", Laszlo quotes Puthoff who says of the new scientific paradigm:

[What] would emerge would be an increased understanding that all of us are immersed, both as living and physical beings, in an overall interpenetrating and interdependant field in ecological balance with the cosmos as a whole, and that even the boundary lines between the physical and "metaphysical" would dissolve into a unitary viewpoint of the universe as a fluid, changing, energetic/informational cosmological unity."

an excert from Science and the Akashic Field, an Integral Theory of Everything

Akasha (a . ka . sha) is a Sanskrit word meaning "ether": all-pervasive space. Originally signifying "radiation" or "brilliance", in Indian philosophy akasha was considered the first and most fundamental of the five elements - the others being vata (air), agni (fire), ap (water), and prithivi (earth). Akasha embraces the properties of all five elements: it is the womb from which everything we percieve with our senses has emerged and into which everything will ultimately re-descend. The Akashic Record (also called The Akashic Chronicle) is the enduring record of all that happens, and has ever happened, in space and time."

Laszlo's view of the history of the universe is of a series of universes that rise and fall, but are each "in-formed" by the existence of the previous one. In Laszlo's mind, the universe is becoming more and more in-formed, and within the physical universe, matter (which is the crystallization of intersecting pressure waves or an interference pattern moving through the zero-point field) is becoming increasing in-formed and evolving toward higher forms of consciousness and realization.

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According to James Oroc's experiences (Tryptamine Palace), when the ego is dissolved in consciousness through the temporary formation of a type of neurological "Bose Einstein Condensate", there is no real dilineation or distinction between individual consciousness and God-consciousness or the universal "akashic field" (Lazslo) aka Zero Point Field.

Of course since we're talking about the Absolute, as a Self Aware Cosmological Unity, any descriptions, myths or allegories, are but "masks of God" (Joseph Campbell) and so it doesn't matter which "one" you choose, only that one is fully investigated and evaluated according to its efficacy and selected, adopted or "grokked". Personally I like the idea of a gnostic, cosmological Christ, understood as cosmic or God-consciousness, as an invitation to participatation and "koinonia" (intimate sharing) but without any loss of personal integrity or unique individuality ie: personal spiritual experience.

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Thanks, but there can certainly be arguing, since we're talking here about conscious love as a first/last cause or the "Alpha and Omega", and love to be love, MUST be entirely free, and yes, free from coersion based on fear, which is hardly love. So in that sense, it would be rather difficult to rebel against now, wouldn't it... hmmm..

Originally posted by troubleshooter
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.'" C.S. Lewis

There is still time...

Actually, there are three types of people in this World: Those that can count and those that can't.





For me, what is important is what I do when I'm alive. I don't waste time thinking about what happens when I die. I'm not after a reward/punishment.

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by troubleshooter
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

"There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, in the end, 'Thy will be done.'" C.S. Lewis

There is still time...

Actually, there are three types of people in this World: Those that can count and those that can't.

For me, what is important is what I do when I'm alive. I don't waste time thinking about what happens when I die. I'm not after a reward/punishment.

That sounds like statistics, and everyone knows 76% of those are made up on the spot

I believe in nothing. I don't believe there is a god/afterlife. I don't believe there isn't a god/afterlife. I wonder where this leaves me in the 'Non/religous' paradigm? Confused I guess.

I only thing I do believe in is that I am here now and I will do what I can to make my life and that of other as good as possible.

ALS

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You don't sound like a lost soul to me. Sounds like you know right where you stand.

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Then you are simply open minded or agnostic about it, an understandable position to take, if not the easy one (don't take that the wrong way I don't mean it disparagingly)

If what I strongly suspect is true, then you'll be found, ALS, but if found in eternity, why wait.. bearing in mind too that he who is found also finds whatever he was looking for..

Perhaps you are not "a lost soul" after all!

I've read at least one account where this can occur. What basically happens is that an atheist either hibernates indefinitely, or spends an equal amount of time repeatedly telling themselves that they do not still exist.

Eventually, some of them at least will notice that they have to still exist, both in order to tell themselves that they do not, and to be able to hear it; so they stop doing that, and start investigating their circumstances.

reply to post by petrus4

Bad habits of thought die hard.

I once became addicted to a certain habitual loop of thinking or attachment to a certain point of attention, which starts out with a few pleasant surprises, but can end up a hellish nightmare. My problem was I wanted absolute certainty in matters which by their very nature must contain uncertainty, in order for life to be enjoyable. It's a double edged sword this need to know, and there are certainly some things that, at least in this life, we are not meant to or given to know. The hard part I think it that all knowledge, which we can't not seek, exists, once known, or discovered (re-discovered) in a domain that was previously an unknown, or better/worse yet, an unknown unknown, or something that we didn't only know that we didn't know, but were completely unaware of ie: did not know we did not know.

There is nothing worse or more imprisoning, than a mind firmly closed, either on what it thinks it knows, or on what it deems impossible based upon the presumption of knowing already.

I would rather be free to consider both sides, both views, yes even free to let God be God, who being God as the Absolute, can never be known.

For some reason this freedom brings a smile to my face and gives me a warm fuzzy, which leads me to conclude that the atheists freedom not to believe, is as magnificent as my freedom to do so.

This thread is really all about maintaining an open mind, so that we can be forever prepared for any possibility and avoid unneccessary imprisonment within a close-minded, habitual loop of thinking, no longer capable of learning or discovering novelty, not even in eternity, that's hell by any definition. "Been there done that got the t-shirt" as they say, and yet my "dark night of the soul" was, in hindsight the best thing that ever happened to me, although "Jonah" would probably beg to differ regarding his "episode" after having been spit up on the beach as whale puke (metaphor alert! allegory alert! no need to jump on me for referencing Jonah and the Whale!).

Do what?

All I read was qwekjuiasduhgf;kawbgo8.......

Preach on brother/sister

Seriously, it sounds as if you are affraid of death

reply to post by liejunkie01

Don't assume...

Interesting that you were not able to "compute" it or even make sense of it though.. it was written in English.

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It was a little joke. I am sorry. I can see you are wound a little tight. I will explain a little further.

I read on ATS everyday about religous people and their opinions on what they think about the "atheist."

I am a human that does not think that we were created by an entity or whatever you want to call it........

I am sorry that I think different than you.....Wait, should I be sorry?

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Not at all..... I think it HAS to take us ALL!

Religon is but a very poor manmade explanation, trying to understand what god really is. Weather we believe or not, no human bieng will perish. PeaceReligon is but a very poor manmade explanation, trying to understand what god really is. Weather we believe or not, no human bieng will perish. Peace

Originally posted by King33
Religon is but a very poor manmade explanation, trying to understand what god really is. Weather we believe or not, no human bieng will perish. PeaceReligon is but a very poor manmade explanation, trying to understand what god really is. Weather we believe or not, no human bieng will perish. Peace

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A glitch in the matrix, wonder what it means..?

I don't believe in a god or the creator of all life in the universe, I find that very stupid.
However I do believe in highly advanced beings who are just like us (not in appearance, you know what I mean,) who have been alive for billions of years.

I do believe that after we die, we leave our physical bodies and continue our existence on the non-physical realm, or what ever happens after we die. But I do not believe in a god or heaven/hell, or anything religion related or religion in general, I don't believe in it, nor will I ever.

Originally posted by DragonriderGal
Just as I told several other posters, if you take the time to read what I posted, of course. It's pleasent, free..in addition to the life analysis stuff, it's sorta like sitting in a giant hot tub, all the spirits of those you are traveling with thru time sitting around you, shooting the breeze (since if you've ever been in the spirit realm there is always a part of you there). You can hang outside of time, and stay as long as you like.

What do you look like as a spirit? What do you sound like? What language do you speak? When you're ready to get in a new body, how do you do it? Is this the only planet you've been to, or have you inhabited beings on other planets? If not, why not? If yes, what planets and what do these beings look like physically?

When you are a spirit, what do you use for thinking, since you more than likely don't have a brain? What do you use for speaking, since you probably don't have vocal cords? What do you use for seeing, as you may not have eye balls connected to the aforementioned brain that you also do not have, or do you? How do you hear if you do not have ears, or do you?