33 Year Air Force General had a conversation with me about Secret Space Program

OP speak with forked tongue. His friend have no tongue. His friend no exist.

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The C140 does indeed exist. www.globalsecurity.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Description


Photo of aircraft

Originally posted by billxam
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The C140 does indeed exist. www.globalsecurity.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">Description


Photo of aircraft

Hello billxam,
The OP said it was a C140B cargo plane. I think he also said he may have made a typo...it may have been a C130?

Nice photo though.

73's,
Tom

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Not necessarily true. And "convo" isn't exactly new, its about 20 years old.

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It coul be this cargo plane.

en.wikipedia.org...-141B

Wow. I just read all 16 pages of comments. You know what I got from it? It's amazing that anyone posts a new topic here at all. One person will say, ~ "I can't believe you remembered all that, so it can't be true." ~ Another person will say, ~ "You had some bad grammar in your post, or spelled words wrong so I don't believe it," ~ Or, ~ "You didn't give your sources name, address and social security number so I don't believe you". ~ Or ~ "Hey, you shouldn't give so much information on your source, they'll find him". ~ No pictures, no proof. If you have pictures they are fake.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

All the responses from the op were conciliatory in that he simply asked not to be flamed and quite often he was flamed anyway. What incentive are any of you giving others to post new topics? You all come here to see this stuff, how much ends up being true? Five percent? Less? So you come here to see this sort of thing posted and then drive away those who are giving you the content that you crave.

This was an interesting topic. I would like to believe some of this. If anyone claims to know for certain that this is all BS, why should we be any more likely to believe that person? The topic is open for discussion and using your comments as simple diatribes (thunderous verbal attacks) serve little or no purpose other than getting your post numbers up...

On the other hand, we all have our opinions and of course that's why we comment. You do have a choice on whether to be rude or not though, just remember what goes around, comes around...

My first post by the way.

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I thought the same, some people are so desperate to debunk that they make themselves look like fools.
It cant be true because someone can tell hes foreign or there was a mistype on the plane number.

You make all types of mistakes recalling stuff from memory, Im ok with that as long as the gist is right.

Its when something major is wrong that Ill start thinking "hoax"

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First post?! And what a post! Maybe the best I've read.

Amazing when you come to think about it. All the stuff we don't know, and never will know. The only thing I can hope for, is something that is bigger than the government, something that they won't be able to cover up, Nibru 2012, this and many more will humiliate the government; them knowing they don't have the power anymore, we're all equal on this planet, this insignificant speck in time and space, and yet, the amount we don't know and don't account for in our world is phenomenal. One day will come when our children, and our childrens children will know knowledge like this for a fact, for now. We should treasure what we do know, and pray the government know's what their doing. After all, have we even visited the dark side of the moon yet?

These stories are always interesting. They always get open minded folks thinking. One thing that bothers me though about them is we never here it from the horses mouth. It's always some very good friend told me this, or a dying father revealed that. Anyway, I do believe there is a vast amount of information and technology being witheld from the public. That's just using commonsense when it involves the powers that be. ~SheopleNation

I don't buy it. Why would a BG talk to a simple civilian about all of this. He is probably just blowing smoke up your A to please you.
If you haven't seen the data with your own two eyes, don't believe a word somebody in the armed forces tells you. They are professionally trained liars. Especially the Air Force.
As far as the Aurora test flights go, yeah I buy that but commercial travel to the moon and Mars? We've Landed on Mars? Bull-honkey and I'll call that until I see other wise. I did find the part about an artificial obelisk on Phobos interesting though since I do believe that there was life on Mars.

Yet another hoax. All the stuff the OP says is publically available information. He told us nothing new. That is because he simply read all the info in conspiracy forums and then came here to tell his story.

Originally posted by CapSolo
We've Landed on Mars? Bull-honkey and I'll call that until I see other wise. I did find the part about an artificial obelisk on Phobos interesting though since I do believe that there was life on Mars.

I understand your feelings. However, Go to Google Earth (Google Sky) and then click the Saturn planet above to Google planet Mars. Then punch in these coordinates 71*49*20 N  29*33*08 W

I do believe that Man has already been to Mars, and continues to exist there on an International Space base. You see, These liars will keep this technology from us because of their own greedy reasons, but also because of the loss of life that has occured on earlier missions. Everytime someone that is not top secret perishes in a Nasa front job mission, The media drives it into the ground and more testing is demanded by the sheoplized public before another mission can be planned ect. This slows down what the powers that be desire to accomplish. Well, They can't have that.

I mean, it's no secret that the someone losing their life while executing THERE agenda means absolutely nothing to them. Look around you. Look at all the technology that already seems like Star Trek. Kirk's hand held device has nothing over the basic Iphone or IPad. Who knows what the puppet masters have learned from others or accomplished on their own.

Do you know why I think they scrapped the shuttle program? Because it's a waste of money now that they have more advanced technology. Same with the space station. They could have stations on atleast Mars and the Moon, so why bother maintaining such a financial burden that easily could be destroyed by space junk or comets. I am not saying that I know that it's 100% a base there on Google, I am Just saying. Sure looks strange to me though.~SheopleNation

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to ASC Nole;
I was a lurker, here for a long time before i finally created an account. I don't post much (time); one thing I really
like about this board is the widely different views here. one thing I noticed, is just like on slashdot is not only do you have the "mundane" people here, but people with clearances, engineers, professors all across the spectrum.

they are all here...

ps: for spell check use firefox or chrome its build in, or add the addon for IE called iespell check.
pss: not to give anything away about myself, but since all types of rader systems, etc are all just a type
of information system. it would not be hard to have code injected that "shields" things that "they" don't want seen.

"they" could even have all such notices redirected, (saying such systems can get on some kind of network).
I am not a radar person, but i know systems, and I know code. trust me such a thing would not be hard. some technician comes around and applys a "patch" (software or hardware). its all it would take....


to the OP;
good post, its post like that... that what ATS is for....

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Oh.......I am afraid, that the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive!

Sorry bro, I just couldn't resist. ~SheopleNation

It's a very interesting post, OP! It's coincidental that those who were attracted to this thread frequently analyzed others responses. That's even more intriguing. Maybe the gray area attracts those who look beneath the glossy surface appearance of things......to the nuts and bolts. (I channeled the last 5 words! I'm Kidding!!!!)

It's a most palatable thought to ponder.....thank you for laying out the smorgasbord!

OMG!
Your Karma is 165?
Are You Kidding Me?
How does that happen?

Originally posted by TheEnlightenedOne
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The problem with the SEA launched vehicles, is that depending on how big these vehicles are, it will be hard to hide it from the public living nearby naval bases (ports). Then again, who's not to say that they aren't being launched from an undisclosed secret location at the poles (ie: Antartica)?

Because being launched from the poles is a really poor idea: you use the angular momentum of the earth to lower the energy needed to get into orbit. Launching from the equator.

I don't believe that an Apollo 18,19, and 20 using the same hardware would be remotely possible to hide. There is a lot of infrastructure necessary just to be able to transport and launch these things.

For instance, if it comes by sea, where do you get the ENORMOUS crane necessary to erect it into vertical position? It wasn't designed to do that. The amount of LOX necessary for a Saturn V is a weeeee bit bigger than the ICBM's (and after the early days, all ICBM's used solid fuel). So where's the huge LOX facility on some remote island?

If there were an Apollo 18, 19 and 20, they didn't launch from a Saturn V.

Originally posted by WhiteDevil013
I believe your story, or your friends story rather.

My own Grandfather served in the Navy, USAF, and went on to work for private aerospace companies the rest of his working life. He worked on TS Black ops projects that he couldnt even mention to my grandmother for fear of both of them "getting into a car wreck."

I speak with him about ATS topics all the time, and even in his old age of 92, he's still sharper than most men half his age I work with.

Anyways, he always told me the space program was made public in the 60's to the early 80's because it was in the nations best interest to make the world think we were so superior. Hell, even the Soviet Union collapsed because Reagan refused to give up the "Star Wars" program that many now say was nothing more than a ruse.

Indeed this is true. The primary statement from the manned space program is to make it very clear, "we can put a heavy space capsule and have it meet something else in space at exactly the right time and exactly the location, and this is exactly the same technology necessary to put a hunk of engineered plutonium on Moscow at the right time and right location whenever we want." The USSR was originally ahead in rocketry & ICBM's, and it was necessary to demonstrate to the rather stupid Brezhnev types etc who ran the USSR that this was no longer the case. The technical development and logistics for Apollo were also proxies for the equivalent technology used for military development. If the US hadn't gotten into the Vietnam war and embarrassed itself (the moon had the singular advantage of not shooting back), it would have made the USA look very powerful.

Regarding 1980's "star wars", more recent revelations after the fall of the USSR clarified some things. The USSR's own scientists (by then, extremely sophisticated and capable) told the leadership not to believe this Star Wars crap, the USA couldn't possibly make it work. They were 100% correct. The Communists didn't believe them---they were paranoid and suspicious of their own "liberal" (and often Jewish) scientists. I remember seeing Reagan's very speech in 1983. Even at a young age (i was very much into astronomy then) I knew enough to know that it was full of crap.

Look around you. Any rational person can see that if we had the tech for space travel as early as the 1940's, one can only imagine what we have in this day and age.

But we must also Follow The Money, because people follow the money. Really---if there were a really powerful potent sooper secret USAF space program with way better technology, then the profitability of Lockheed and a whole bunch of aerospace companies would be much higher, and tons of mechanical and aerospace engineering and physics graduates out of university would be easily getting some good jobs. In the 1960's they were. Now they are most assuredly not. If some "metric engineering" technology were feasible and funded then somehow there would be lots of fellowships for US Citizen students & postdocs working on general relativity just to get a pipeline of qualified people. There isn't. Theoretical particle physics and general relativity is a great way to end up poor and unemployed. Physicists who aren't in university faculty are working writing software for banking or on-line advertising. Almost none are doing physics.

I really wish it were otherwise, because I want warp drive.

Very interesting to say the least. I wonder what the General meant by "the public will know about commercial space travel in the near future"?