DEBUNK THIS - There WERE NO human rights abuses in Libya according to UN Human Rights report

Well yeah, I always heard Libya was a great place to be.

Originally posted by Donkey_Dean
Well yeah, I always heard Libya was a great place to be.

I heard the same thing from a libyan here in canada where i am.

The best part about reportable offenses. If no one will report, then you can claim that they never happen.

Stealing a cookie from the cookie jar only happens if Mommy catches you. If Daddy handed it to you and whispers "shhhhhh" while doing it, its twice as good.

reply to post by Kryties

What IF she was actually tortured by Gaddafi's sons' wife?

His son's wife? Yes...this in fact proves Gaddafi is an evil SOB.

This morning and several times today the MSM showed an interview with ghadafis wifes nanny of their kids, before the wife fled to Nigeria she put the 24 year old nanny in the tub and poured. Scalding water over her head, this is humaine?

Originally posted by lbndhr
This morning and several times today the MSM showed an interview with ghadafis wifes nanny of their kids, before the wife fled to Nigeria she put the 24 year old nanny in the tub and poured. Scalding water over her head, this is humaine?

I wonder that Saif hasn't consolidated enough power to ever have his very inconvenient brothers removed from this life.

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you cant believe anything you see on the MSM as i already stated in one of my threads about this, this can be easily faked in mins to gain reactions such of yours.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by LightAssassin

 

I know...

The only way we can stop this injustice is by arranging mass protests before its too late. But knowing the new series of X factor is on now, the prospect of a Revolution is close to Zero.

Could be cause the US doesnt fund its OWN youth to protest (unless your a tea partier)

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by lbndhr
This morning and several times today the MSM showed an interview with ghadafis wifes nanny of their kids, before the wife fled to Nigeria she put the 24 year old nanny in the tub and poured. Scalding water over her head, this is humaine?

I wonder that Saif hasn't consolidated enough power to ever have his very inconvenient brothers removed from this life.

another pro rebel suppoter and someone who believes in the MSM

Originally posted by Love thy neighbor
I can't believe that people are buying the mainstream media's story on this. After KNOWING we have been lied to in the past so much, this story never added up to me. This war is certainly not about human rights.

edit on 30-8-2011 by Love thy neighbor because: .

Right

HOWEVER they justified going in when Gaddafi started to shell/bomb/shoot his own people when they were protesting in the street.. again people are forgetting this

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by lbndhr
This morning and several times today the MSM showed an interview with ghadafis wifes nanny of their kids, before the wife fled to Nigeria she put the 24 year old nanny in the tub and poured. Scalding water over her head, this is humaine?

I wonder that Saif hasn't consolidated enough power to ever have his very inconvenient brothers removed from this life.

another pro rebel suppoter and someone who believes in the MSM

Most of the rebels are fighting to have their personal version of a theocracy put in place. I'm not particularly enthralled with them.

And I still wonder that Saif hasn't killed off his inconvenient brothers.

reply to post by CasiusIgnoranze


See, this is where I get really confused. Castro, Chavez, and Ahmeddinejad are degraded in the press in this country. In Venezuela, the opposition to Chavez seem to always be wealthy or upwardly-mobile (at least in their minds) middle class folks. These strong armed leftist leaders seem to always be a response to strong-armed puppet regimes a la United Fruit (aka Chiquita) in Nicaragua. Obviously I don't know whether Ahmeddinejad fits on that list as I'm not sure how leftist ideology meshes with Islam, though apparently, in Libya it seemingly did.

Saddam was a secular fascist, I see no other analysis holding water. He revved up nationalist fervor, scapegoated minorities and religious institutions, and allowed state-corporate collusion.

And, regarding specifically Qaddafi, it seems that the Mainstream Media will either be trusted or not by folks on this site. I'm at the point where I take everything they say with a grain of salt, notwithstanding the pitiful imagery of that poor scalded woman. I can remember that poor adolescent Kuwait nurse who talked about Iraqis killing Kuwaiti babies in their incubators. At least I could understand her. The woman pleading for help from that room shown on TV did not speak English and I, as I'm going to assume most Americans, have to rely on the translator for the information given, keeping in mind that the voice you here is not always the original translator of what was said.

Am I callous? No. I don't know what happened to her and I feel as bad for her whether it's what the MSM says or some other reason. Same as for the people in Vermont, the people killed by NATO bombs in Libya and the other supposed victims of Qaddafi, should that all carry some veracity. In the end, I don't know. You could tell me Joe Schmoe in North Carolina walked out side his front porch and branch fell on him during Irene, but if I wasn't there, tell me exactly how I would know:

1) If Joe Schmoe really died from the branch and not some other injury;
2) If Joe Schmoe died at all or was just injured;
3) If Joe Schmoe even really exists.

OK, that's a trivial example - no offense meant towards the family of Joe Schmoe - but you get my drift.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Kryties

 

What IF she was actually tortured by Gaddafi's sons' wife?

His son's wife?

Yes...this in fact proves Gaddafi is an evil SOB.

True, regarding Qaddafi, no matter what we all decide he really is/was like, the fact that he could still have used nepotism or have family or family of family or friends of family's baby mama's cousin-in-law that abused their status would not be a uniquely Libyan issue, would it Brownie (You know, the guy who did a hell of job) or the Massey Mine owner, or George W. (Daddy couldn't have pulled some strings...no).

Originally posted by jonnywhite

He killed 100's of protesters this year and THAT is what really got all of this started. You remember when there were waves of protests it seemed, all over the place? Well, it happened in Libya too and Gadaffi responded like a mad man, killing and bombing innocent people. We were FORCED to make a choice. The UN signed a resolution in 2005 called Responsibility to Protect. This resolution allows the UN to protect a nation's people if there're severe human rights violations. This permitted the UN and its members to enter into a war with Libya in weeks, not years! This gave the UN teeth to actually fulfill its purpose.

Yes. The OPs argument is based on a false premise i.e that the UN intervened because of human rights violations prior to the protests. I don't blame people for losing sight of the initial argument though, as usual there is a barrage of off topic youtube videos and articles coming at them.

Originally posted by cripmeister

Originally posted by jonnywhite

He killed 100's of protesters this year and THAT is what really got all of this started. You remember when there were waves of protests it seemed, all over the place? Well, it happened in Libya too and Gadaffi responded like a mad man, killing and bombing innocent people. We were FORCED to make a choice. The UN signed a resolution in 2005 called Responsibility to Protect. This resolution allows the UN to protect a nation's people if there're severe human rights violations. This permitted the UN and its members to enter into a war with Libya in weeks, not years! This gave the UN teeth to actually fulfill its purpose.

Yes. The OPs argument is based on a false premise i.e that the UN intervened because of human rights violations prior to the protests.

We were not forced to make any choice at that point.If that were the case we would be in iran now.As far as the protest most of those were not lybians and it was overstated.

reply to post by Aeons

Most of the rebels are fighting to have their personal version of a theocracy put in place. I'm not particularly enthralled with them.

sure they are not after freeing islamic prisoners who are widely al qaeda and that the fact king idrs family members are also severing the rebels in the NTC who are very pro western stance.

reply to post by cripmeister

, as usual there is a barrage of off topic youtube videos and articles coming at them.

and what the MSM articles are based facts? dont give me that.

All the evidence one needs to know that the story we are being told about Libya is BS is the fact that we have not bombed other countries for doing the same things that we are told Libya did.

Example... we were told that protesters in Libya were being killed and we needed to go in for "humanitarian" reason. Yet why have we not involved ourselves in Darfur which has been ongoing for over 10 years? Why are we not bombing Syria? What did we not involve ourselves in Saudi Arabia? Why are we not bombing Egypt? Yemen? The list goes on and on, but for some reason we had to bomb Libya?

Originally posted by cripmeister

Yes. The OPs argument is based on a false premise i.e that the UN intervened because of human rights violations prior to the protests.

Exactly!

I think most of us (well I most definitely do) have problems with these so called rebels who took over the PEOPLES PROTESTS .....The Rebels HIJACKED the PEOPLES MOVEMENT as did NATO/US ...

Human Rights Watch is also reporting human rights voilations in regards to The Rebels who have committed violations not just against Gaddafi's men but also against Libyan People (slaughter/murder, women, children, men)

I believe its not really about the Libyan people at all but rather NATO/US taking the vaccum and used these rebels and the rebels used NATO/US for their OWN self interests/agendas

Hearing reports that the international world will be helping Libya with all sorts of funding... WT? When the previous Libyan Government is NOT poor, but infact has quite a bit of assets and capital inside Libya and outside in western accounts, UK, France US etc

Almost sounds like the libyan people are so gonna get screwed over, paying it all back

Anything coming out of the UN can easily be debunked.

The UN has a track record of some very unreliable reports.

In fact whenever I see "UN Report" it automatically throws up red flags.