DEBUNK THIS - There WERE NO human rights abuses in Libya according to UN Human Rights report

Just look how easy it is to fake news footage....



Did you notice that in the first clip, the crowd were not Libyans, but Indians waving Indian flags?

Far fetched, our MSM wouldn't do that, right?

That's exactly what the BBC did, AND claimed it was 'live from Tripoli'.

In the comment under the video, the guy who made this explains how he swapped video clips, sounds, etc to create fake news.

Understand everyone, Hollywood, Psyops and the MSM are ALL ONE. The news we receive is barely more real than a Hollywood movie.

Originally posted by jonnywhite

Originally posted by TheLoony
I'm betting that the "truth" portion of the three sides to every adage lies much closer to the Qaddaffi side than it does the western MSM. The MSM and government here have lost all credibility with me. They have cried wolf far too many times for me to believe anything they say any more.

Do I believe Qaddaffi did nothing? Probably not, but I'd bet most of what has been said negatively about him is untrue. Even if so, it's still NOT the job of the U.S. to fix Libya.There is no justifiable reason for us to be doing this.

Fix Libya, ha ha. Seems they had things going pretty well and didn't need any fixing.

Gadaffi was calling for terrorists around the world to hit the US and Israel MANY years ago! He has called for many journalists and freedom makers to be ASSASSINATED! He is a dictator. His people do not and did not have freedom. He killed 100's of protesters this year and THAT is what really got all of this started. You remember when there were waves of protests it seemed, all over the place? Well, it happened in Libya too and Gadaffi responded like a mad man, killing and bombing innocent people. We were FORCED to make a choice. The UN signed a resolution in 2005 called Responsibility to Protect. This resolution allows the UN to protect a nation's people if there're severe human rights violations. This permitted the UN and its members to enter into a war with Libya in weeks, not years! This gave the UN teeth to actually fulfill its purpose.

Have a look (i'm backing up my above statements):
www.bbc.co.uk...

Date: 22 February 2011...

In his first major speech since unrest began last week, Col Gaddafi said the whole world looked up to Libya and that protests were "serving the devil".

He urged his supporters to go out and attack the "cockroaches" demonstrating against his rule.

Rights groups say nearly 300 have been killed in the violence so far.

Don't you see? His actions put us between a rock and a hard place.

We could not give him benefit of the doubt because of his previous actions.

Also... France is really the major reason this happened at all, not the US.

edit on 30-8-2011 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)

so they signed some paper in 2005 to make this happen in weeks and now its 2011 i didn't understand that.
i have a very hard time believing that france could topple libia without the help of the us.From what i understand about it the privite army of the us is leading the way

MSM has been caught out telling so many lies in regards to Libya it's difficult to know whats really the truth anymore.

BEWARE. We know that Syria is one of the next on the Psychpathocracy hit list. The FAKE NEWS about Syria has already started.



There are many more videos on youtube already about fake news on Libya, if you care to do a search you will see exactly what is going on - the same as for Libya.

Fake news - rinse and repeat.

Mass murder - rinse and repeat.

=http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Libya-War-Crimes-Investigation-Called-For-After-Mass-Grave-Found-In-Farm-Warehouse-Near-Tripoli/Arti cle/201108416058161?DCMP=News-search-sslc&lid=ARTICLE_16058161_Libya:WarCrimesInvestigationCalledForAfterMassGraveFoundInFarmWarehouseNearTripoli&lpos =searchresults

Whats this all about then?

Are you saying this scene is not real?

reply to post by Kryties


well well , CNN sounds more and more like the Nazi Der Stürmer....
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Until the conclusion of the Battle of Stalingrad on February 4, 1943, German propaganda emphasized the prowess of German arms and the humanity German soldiers had shown to the peoples of occupied territories. Pilots of the Allied bombing fleets were depicted as cowardly murderers, and Americans in particular as gangsters in the style of Al Capone.
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seems western media has taken a note from nazi propaganda strategy

I to am aware Gaddafi wanted to unite Africa and reduce Western Influence but so many country's thrive to do the same and stop western influence but hay theses are the country's who have the most harsh regimes the most out of date laws and punishments. Country's political compass should evolve just like its citizens and you cant have that hand in hand without a Democracy. Not one leader over many i am sorry to quote but ( No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent ).
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)

reply to post by Kryties

I've not made up my mind yet about whether to believe that or not, look at the IMF head case (about the attempted rape of a hotel maid) which was dropped. You CAN PAY almost ANYONE to SAY ANYTHING (how do you know the woman didn't have prior injuries since childhood ?)

Also, let's assume that it is a true story. Even so, there are much worse atrocities everywhere (Look at what happened in Nepal, what's was going on in Burma...etc). Why didn't the world intervene and save those poor people ? Why doesn't the U.S military intervene in China ?

Answer: Because the corrupt governments prey on the weak ones.

Edit: Great find OP! S&F for you!


So the whole point of debating how bad Gaddafi is or what he did / didn't do is moot IMHO.

reply to post by ModerateSkeptic


Oh I absolutely agree, we live in a backward-ass world. I have to admit I myself am highly sceptical of many of the goings-on in Libya currently, but I am not yet convinced that it has been proven that Gaddafi's regime didn't violate human-rights laws.

Originally posted by indisputable
Country's political compass should evolve just like its citizens and you cant have that hand in hand without a Democracy. Not one leader over many i am sorry to quote but ( No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent ).
Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865)

While that may prove true the only way a democracy should come to be is through education and choice.Also you are implying by that quote that the lybian leader didn't have the consent of the people.I have seen nothing to prove that but much to prove it false.Just because a democratic system is set up does not mean that the people will educate themselves enough and know who they are really voting for rather than voting based on a good hair or belief in the same religion.
I submit to you that an elected dictator can do as much evil as another form of dictator.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by John0Doe

 

The only way we can stop this is by mass awareness and protests. Its unlikely many people will ever know the truth because of the disinfo campaign on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and the media, but atleast we tried.

I have a very earnest question for you. If you do not believe what you read on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, the MSM, eyewitness accounts (re: the nanny who was boiled by hot water) and the language in several legal resolutions adopted before and during this "war", what would you believe? In fact, to what extent would ANY source have to prove it's trustworthiness to you? Further, why don't you travel to the region (Morocco, Algeria, et al.) and determine the truth by your own investigation?

While I disagree with your conclusions in this thread, I'm fascinated by WHY you have come to these conclusions. Bear in mind, just because I disagree with your conclusions does not mean I disagree with the general point you are making; I'm not even saying my conclusions are correct.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by ModerateSkeptic

 

Oh I absolutely agree, we live in a backward-ass world. I have to admit I myself am highly sceptical of many of the goings-on in Libya currently, but I am not yet convinced that it has been proven that Gaddafi's regime didn't violate human-rights laws.

You are correct if you think he was not the best leader and im pretty sure that he is guilty of human right violations at some point.My whole life i have seen him on the news he done this or that but it works both ways.The point is that he is not doing anything that is not happening more frequently in other places.Are we to topple every place where injustice is alive if so thats a bloody future.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by Kryties

 

The mainstream media picks and chooses news to report to the masses, come on man, you should know this!

For all you know, she is being payed to give a made up story because her life could be in danger if she reveals the truth. The mainstream media even has a long track record of doing this...

edit on 30-8-2011 by CasiusIgnoranze because: .

You pick and choose what you want to believe, what makes you any different? You don't think the old Libyan regime held its subjects very tightly? Really? Of course you will scour youtube for anything that meets your viewpoint (you kind of do that a lot don't you?) regardless of empirical information. Good for you.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

It would take someone completely blind not to see a housemaid with third-degree burns walking around trying to look after your children while attempting to keep what skin she has left clinging to her head and body.

I don't know what the setup was for Gaddafi, but in a lot of places in the ME, women and children (and their maids) are kept separately. And in a big compound (which I think We're speaking of), such a view might be missed or misinterpreted.

Until We know that:

1. It actually happened (90+% likely it did)
2. Gaddafi was aware of the incident(s)
3. He condoned the behavior

We can place none of it in His lap necessarily.

reply to post by Amaterasu


Gaddafi may or may not have been aware of it, certainly. I believe it is more indicative of how the Libyan elite viewed the people who served and followed them.

Another little Facet of the Lybia situation folks may not be aware of...

About This Axis of Evil Thing
"There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya."

Look really carefully at that list of countries and see if you can tell what they have in common... That's right, they are all unimaginably evil nations rules by despots that are out to destroy your way of life.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Amaterasu

 

Gaddafi may or may not have been aware of it, certainly. I believe it is more indicative of how the Libyan elite viewed the people who served and followed them.

While this may be true over all, it surely does not single anyOne out as having that attitude except the wife. And I know plenty of couples that have vastly different views and approaches to things.

I'm not saying Gaddafi did not share these views, just that We cannot assign them to Him based on the behavior of His wife.

Originally posted by something wicked

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
reply to post by Kryties

 

The mainstream media picks and chooses news to report to the masses, come on man, you should know this!

For all you know, she is being payed to give a made up story because her life could be in danger if she reveals the truth. The mainstream media even has a long track record of doing this...

edit on 30-8-2011 by CasiusIgnoranze because: .

You pick and choose what you want to believe, what makes you any different? You don't think the old Libyan regime held its subjects very tightly? Really? Of course you will scour youtube for anything that meets your viewpoint (you kind of do that a lot don't you?) regardless of empirical information. Good for you.

I hope your questions are answered (mine haven't been thus far.) There is a lot of information regarding atrocities under the Gadaffi regime and plenty of evidence that would lead one to believe that a revolution was imminent and justified.

For instance:
Photos Found in Libya Show Abuses Under Qaddafi
Libya and the U.S.: Qadhafi Unrepentant
Gadaffi still hunts 'stray dogs' in UK
Libya: Investigation needed into prison deaths

Those are just a few instances from multiple, unrelated sources that occurred in the last 10 years. In the face of such facts, how can one paint a picture that there were no human rights violations and that the rebellion was fabricated?

I can't believe that people are buying the mainstream media's story on this. After KNOWING we have been lied to in the past so much, this story never added up to me. This war is certainly not about human rights.