This is how bad it is getting.

reply to post by kozmo


My degree is in computer games design, and no I would not consider this to be a useless course when the video games and film industry are amongst the biggest industries in the world. The course also allows you to be able to work in TV, film and Graphic Design. The current economic climate has severly damaged the games industry especially in this country, time after time I have read of companies shutting down, falling like dominos one after the other. But the problem is the people who worked in these companies have years of industry experience and so you are having to compete against them so you are met with a brick wall.

Also I just want to add this in regards to entitlement.
If you create an economic system which requires you to need money to meet basic human survival needs like water, food and shelter, then you could at least provide the people with the ability to go out and work for it.
If a government tells me that I need money to be able to obtain food, water and shelter then the least they can do is provide enough jobs for us to work for it.

It's impossible to argue ignorance and stupidity, the latter of which i personally don't believe in.

Originally posted by kro32
The Uk is alot better than it has been in the past. There was a time when none of those things were offered at all and the chance of you being beheaded for even speaking like this was very high.

Just because you happen to be experiencing this doesn't mean your not far better off than alot that came before you.

I really need to introduce you to Henry VIII... Let's see how long that lasts!

reply to post by SpaceMonkeys

If a government tells me that I need money to be able to obtain food, water and shelter then the least they can do is provide enough jobs for us to work for it.

Wow and here is the crux of the problem. Government does not provide jobs entrepreneurs creating businesses do that. Government jobs do not contribute to the economy they are a drain on it because they steal money from people in taxes to pay the wages of those jobs.. It is not governments role to provide jobs. Government does not tell you that you need money to buy food. The farmers that grow food need to be compensated for the food they provide so that can have homes cars and all the things everyone else in society has as does anyone else who produces anything society needs. Money is the medium of exchange for those things. Those that do not produce anything and expect to be compensated are the ones complaining the loudest.

Government has fostered this entitlement mentality and it is also a drain on society. So they have now created more drain on society then there are producers and they continue to make it harder for the producers to continue to produce through high taxes and heavy regulation. This is the problem with not enough producing there is not enough tax/theft to support all the non producers of which the vast majority are government employees and welfare recipients along with government corruption and there never will be until government gets out of the way.

Stop complaining and stop looking to government to provide for you and learn to be self sufficient now or end up as one of the starving masses who will destroy thier neighborhood in anger and still starve. The choice is yours.

reply to post by hawkiye


This never really went away...

en.wikipedia.org...


Then you factor in the subsidies, tax breaks, grants, and emergency funds that come from the Federal Government. The only thing hard to swallow is how "bass ackwards" critical thinking has become for the general population.

reply to post by SpaceMonkeys


Sounds like you could take those skills and put them to work... for yourself. Do you believe in your abilities? Why not create a game and use the internet to promote the sales of it?

Why does everyone feel like they have to work for someone else?

OP and SpaceMonkeys, you can't win this one guys. The majority thinks you should suffer a lot more than they did, that you should work for nothing for at least half of your adult lives or be very happy that at least someone doesn't cut your heads off when you say something.

I feel your confusion, anger and hopelessness. There is no easy way out of this predicament your generation is in. It will only get harder.

You know the reality already : jobs are going elsewhere not in the UK, or North America ( that's because we are lazy and expensive), governments used our money to pay the banks and everyone around you is so scared for their own livelihood that they'll take it on you.

Once you realize that no one is on your side, start acting accordingly.

Disclaimer :

- I am not angry, or unemployed or young
- I've worked and lived pretty much all over Europe before immigrating to Canada. Most of the people will never have to go through what I've gone, so don't try to lecture me on how hard you need to work to get somewhere. Been there, done that, quite a few times.
Still, I don't think that the young generations should have it HARDER than us just to teach them values.
- Not everybody is Bill Gates, or Steve Jobbs. Some just need a job.

reply to post by onequestion


SnF

I think OP has one thing he needs to realise about his post. That being, he is not by any means a voice for his generation, creed and country only. He is rather, the voice of every citizen on this planet, who sees what the coming of the new world order, is at this moment, bringing to the alter for sacrifice. If you don't see it yet, because you are sitting comfortable with your job, as a bought and paid for Gov. employee or official ? Or if you are sitting pretty in the lap of a corporate Monarchy ? Good for you ! I mean that.

But don't fool yourself. Or expect these first phase victims, of this spiraling desent into hell, not to see what is coming, as OP damn well does. OP has been around this site for some time. He's manned up and made a choice to face what he sees, instead of hiding from it. Or doning the perverbial rose colored glasses, up to the minute he is blind sided, by the truth of his own thread, in the here and now. As if you can convince yourselves it won't also make victims of you. Just at a later phase of this diabolical plan . That can be no longer denied.

Right now ! I must applaude this brave young Brit. My cousin from across the pond. You stay in there to the end kid. You have guts enough to see, we at least can't let this be easy for 'em. No matter how old I get, or if it ends my days on this plain. I will be a wrench in the gear that intends to grind, somehow someway.

Kozmo and others are just bitter and angry people who think everyone else has to suffer the way they did, hence the judgementalism. I too could cite the three and half years I lived in a small caravan and struggling for the next 10 years and on and on like some martyr and use it as ammunition to attack people, but i tend to empathize with people who might be going through stuff and feel discouraged rather than launch a condescending hypocritical diatribe.

I don't like the "blame the victim" mentality of kicking jobless people while they are down. It seems to happen so much and if I were on the receiving end of it I'd feel angry, depressed, and miserable.

I have a job, for which I am eternally grateful. Many of my friends do not, and I am acutely aware I could be joining them at any second. It's really only luck that I have a job and they don't; I work hard and am not lazy but the same could be said for my unemployed friends.

To keep the system going, people need to feel like a part of it. What happens when an entire generation no longer has any stake in the society?

To the "free market fundamentalists" here: You act like the market is this sacred thing that just springs into existence, but to have a market you need laws -- to protect fair trade, regulate money, punish theives, and so forth. The "government bad, market good" crowd doesn't realize that if you chip away at government long enough, it will be impossible to have a well-functioning market. We are reaching that point.

reply to post by Partygirl

To the "free market fundamentalists" here: You act like the market is this sacred thing that just springs into existence, but to have a market you need laws -- to protect fair trade, regulate money, punish theives, and so forth. The "government bad, market good" crowd doesn't realize that if you chip away at government long enough, it will be impossible to have a well-functioning market. We are reaching that point.

Free markets do not exist because of government. They often exist in spite of government.. Governments tend ti kill free markets not protect them. I am constantly amazed at the utter cluelessness and nonsense that abounds on this. Free markets existed long before governments did and will be around long after they are relegated to the scrap heaps of history where they belong.

Truly free markets do not need government because people are free to vote with their feet and wallets to patronize a business or not. So businesses must provide a good product or service or get voted out of existence by the people. There are already laws against theft and that is natural law. The regulation of money is why we are in this situation we are in now. It is nobodies business what anyone uses for money but those whom are trading. It is government intervention that has made money worthless and caused all the problems. We do not need government intervention WE NEED GOVERNMENT TO GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY. And stop intervening and protecting thier politically connected crony corporations so they have an unfair advantages and driving thier competition out of the market place!

reply to post by hawkiye


So would you then agree that selling recreational drugs is okay in a free market society, as the OP suggested? Not saying there is anything wrong with this as the seller doesn't tell the buyer to how much, if any, to take, the seller just conducts business. I would be quick to dismiss your free market hype as a load of BS however, if you did disagree to this perfectly sound and possible viable business adventure.

reply to post by hawkiye


I'm sure they did... How far would you like to go back? Perhaps the Egyptian culture? How about Sumerian? That's a good 5000-6000 years of organization and laws. You lack the forethought to debate. You ramble on as if you're going to make sense in summary. Not happening...

Originally posted by kozmo
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! My handouts are going away!

At what point are people going to realize that it is high time for them to start taking care of themselves? It is not the government's job or place to provide you benefits, counseling, education, healthcare, a job etc... Get off your lazy backsides and DO SOMETHING, just make it constructive and you will reap the rewards.

BTW... the "Country our grandparents built, fought for" etc... is one predicated upon fiat currency, private central banks, huge defitis and dependency on the government. In other words, I don't think our predecesors did a very good job of leaving us much of anything.

I'm 100% sure this market was DESIGNED to have to very distinct classes - the rich and the poor. It's called divide and conquer. When you have the majority middle class, everyone is in the same boat and it's them against the government.

When you have two groups fighting each other, they aren't concerned about the third party. Even mean little comments like this are encouraged by the media. And yes, there has been some inappropriate hostile comments towards the wealthy too (Though the wealthy have the means to deal with it a little better).

Keep degrading the poor and calling them lazy and I can guarantee there will be a revolution. Because that's not true and all you are doing is planting the seed of anti-free market which will come around and bite you Mr. Libertarian.

Originally posted by kro32
The Uk is alot better than it has been in the past. There was a time when none of those things were offered at all and the chance of you being beheaded for even speaking like this was very high.

Just because you happen to be experiencing this doesn't mean your not far better off than alot that came before you.

That is one of the more ridiculous arguments I've seen presented in quite some time. If they had the amenities and technologies we have today available back then, beheadings wouldn't be a common occurrence, and they probably wouldn't travel by a horse and buggy to get to the beheadings in the first place, now would they?

You are basically saying modern man should not be held accountable for its wrongdoings, because he exists in an age and time where he can microwave his dinner instead of hunt and clean it.

I can understand the 'provide for yourself' whooping warcall, but the govt. needs to get out of my way.
I've got a lot of land but without money I can't buy the permits to do jack on it.
I've got chickens I can't legally kill and eat, and most people can't even raise one for eggs anymore. You can't walk down the road and pick up aluminum cans out of the ditch because the cops will harrass you, and besides, they already had the prisoners do it.

And lets not forget the horror of taxes. My hub was a housing designer who designed doctor's offices, and huge homes. He lost his job. He still has those skills but taxes? Neither one of us know where to start. The self employment taxes are HORRID.

reply to post by hawkiye


I understand what you are saying but the fact of the matter is the governments are preventing me from getting a job by absolutely flooding the country in with imigrants and restricting job creation whilst companies are either being outsourced or shutting down altogether. The least they can do is stop their reckless policies that prevent people from its own country from getting a job.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
reply to post by hawkiye

 

I understand what you are saying but the fact of the matter is the governments are preventing me from getting a job by absolutely flooding the country in with imigrants and restricting job creation whilst companies are either being outsourced or shutting down altogether. The least they can do is stop their reckless policies that prevent people from its own country from getting a job.

edit on 29-8-2011 by SpaceMonkeys because: (no reason given)

And you need a job quickly because the rent needs to be paid, if it can't be paid, you get turfed out of your home and a family of immigrants move in. Don't even think of trying to claim housing benefits either, unless of course, you just hopped off the truck at Dover.

Labour ruined this country.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
reply to post by kozmo

 

I got off my backside, went to college, went to university, got a 2:1 degree and got into loads of debt.
I then spent months working on my portfolio and applying to at least 200 job vacancies related to my degree.
I didn't get one single interview.
So, I thought perhaps I'm aiming too high, so I decided to look for any work I could find, from factory work, to call centres, admin jobs, you name it I applied to it.
It took me 1.5 years to get a job working in a shop and it was only temporary for 6 months. Once the six months were up they said they couldn't afford to keep me on so off I went. That was 2 months ago.
These past 2 months I have collected and wrote to 50 companies begging them for me to work freelance for FREE.
Only one company has agreed to do it and they only had a limited amount of work for me to do, so now I've finished that I'm right back to square one with no job, no futrure no hope MY GOD I AM SO ANGRY!!!
Then I read your ridiculous post!!

Seeing as you have the mighty McKenna as your avatar, you surely should be aware that these circumstances we are discussing are a symptom of Timewave Zero, and there is nothing we can do but go with the flow!

Originally posted by kro32
The Uk is alot better than it has been in the past. There was a time when none of those things were offered at all and the chance of you being beheaded for even speaking like this was very high.

Just because you happen to be experiencing this doesn't mean your not far better off than alot that came before you.

What a ridiculous argument. What matters is how are people TODAY coping with the economics of TODAY.

You must be a banker or related to one of the millionairs that run the cabinet and quite clealry understand how the rest of us survive