This is how bad it is getting.

I haven't really posted much if at all recently. Had a lot of crap going on.

This town is going to hell. It really is getting bad. But its like this in a lot of places in the UK because of all these cuts. There is almost no hope whatsoever for the future of me and my generation. I am 19 years old and getting a stable career now looks impossible.

Source This is not a good time to be a young person in Britain. Education, welfare, and services are all being slashed by the Con-Dem government to pay for the deficit created by the greed and arrogance of the bankers and big business, yet we are expected to cover their mistakes by putting young people’s futures at risk.

Those at most risk from the cuts are those worst equipped to deal with them; the young, the elderly, the sick, the disabled, and the vulnerable. Young people in this country are facing cuts on multiple fronts. Education, youth services, benefits, youth employment and university funding are in danger from the government attacks on public spending. This will make getting a decent start in life harder, if not impossible, for many young people throughout the country.

So the elite banking cartels and the phony government are destroying the future and livelihoods of our children and our children's children. Check out these cuts in my town..

Sussex Coast College is facing a 25% cut in its funding, on top of £8.5 million in loan repayments. Scores of jobs are at risk and the quality and variety of courses offered is in danger of declining. This new college was not long ago seen as a sign of progress in Hastings, and it is a terrible irony that it is now in the front-line of the Tory and Liberal cuts.

As well as big cuts to Education which you can read further on in the link there is the following:

Connexions provided support and advice to teenagers about a number of issues, but was forced to close after facing crippling cuts to it’s budget. The group was a lifeline to many young people in Hastings and its closure has left many without anywhere to turn to for assistance. One teenager expressed her worries about the closure saying how “A lot of us fear we will no longer get the help we need, as there is nowhere else to go but Connexions.”

Hastings Council, after seeing the East Sussex county budget for children’s services reduced by £20 million, have decided to make the greatest cuts to open-access early years services, and youth centres. This decision will see many parents unable to get care for their children and reduce the support available to those with young families.

This savage government would rather reduce the quality of life for toddlers, than make the bankers pay even a little bit for the crisis they helped create. The cuts to youth centres will leave local teenagers with even fewer areas to socialise and gain a sense of community spirit. How can the Tories talk of “broken Britain”, when they are the ones gutting neighbourhoods of their communal areas?

I feel like posting the whole thing here but I can't because of T&C.
Here is the source.

I am absolutely fuming, upset and perplexed. My threads usually have a solid point and I usually make more sense but I really don't know what to say..

Are you really surprised that young people will riot, sell drugs and commit crime?

What the hell else is there to do?

This world is going to CRAP.

The Uk is alot better than it has been in the past. There was a time when none of those things were offered at all and the chance of you being beheaded for even speaking like this was very high.

Just because you happen to be experiencing this doesn't mean your not far better off than alot that came before you.

reply to post by kro32


This post is a nonsense post. "During the 1500's it was worse". Give the guy a break.

I agree with the OP. Everything our grandparents worked so hard for went down the drain. Although i am in the USA, we face much of the same.

Originally posted by kro32
The Uk is alot better than it has been in the past. There was a time when none of those things were offered at all and the chance of you being beheaded for even speaking like this was very high.

Just because you happen to be experiencing this doesn't mean your not far better off than alot that came before you.

Yes but we are not talking about that time now are we?

We are talking about now my friend.
We are talking about our children.

We aren't in the Victorian age any more mate learn to keep up.

Originally posted by kro32
The Uk is alot better than it has been in the past. There was a time when none of those things were offered at all and the chance of you being beheaded for even speaking like this was very high.

Just because you happen to be experiencing this doesn't mean your not far better off than alot that came before you.

This is you Kro



We're talking about peoples futures as well as contemporary welfare and security of the nation. Sure it's comparative the year I was born rationing finally ended in the UK. Does that mean that I wish my children to go through something like the grim 50's I went through. No that's not building society or civilization.
They are leaving a society without hope and let's not forget that the looters and rioters were in a minority when compared to the total populous, there are young people out there seeking education and advancement and as such would be a great asset to the country. This narrowing down of opportunity and education to just the rich or those willing to put themselves in debt can only have a detremental effect, and to say "well at least you don't have to doff your caps to their lordships anymore, so things aint that bad" is to take an awful shortsighted view of society and it's possibilities. They haven't finished yet, people may end up doffing their caps once again!

Originally posted by kro32
The Uk is alot better than it has been in the past. There was a time when none of those things were offered at all and the chance of you being beheaded for even speaking like this was very high.

Just because you happen to be experiencing this doesn't mean your not far better off than alot that came before you.

I used to think you were just being the devil's advocate. Obviously this isn't the case.

reply to post by TechUnique


Reading this post has made me angry again. How much longer will the people of this country keep letting this crap go on? The fact is that a significant percentage of this country are unaffected by the brunt of these cuts. As you mention, the people who suffer are the vulnerable of society. This means that most people are probably unaware of how bad it is getting, or just plain don't give a damn as long as they are comfortable.

Unfortunately, the latter is the typical attitude, its not like people are silent on the matters, but as long as they are not directly affected by the worst of it, they let it go on and do nothing to stop it or fight on behalf of those unable to. Dont these people realise that the more they allow this to go on, the higher the chances of them being next in the firing line? And because of their inaction, there will be no safety net. If they acted while they could, then maybe the situation we are in now would be different.

Its not just the cuts either. The same has happened to our rights. While the government is to blame, the apathetic, ignorant and uncaring masses of the UK also must share in the blame.

We gotta doff our caps to the cops or risk being tazered and beaten here in the US. Or look at them cross-eyed and be shot in the street or stripped searched. I am beginning to think this is how they want it....lead us, dear Overlord back to the land of oppression and slavery and we'll lick your boots at the end of the day for you throwing us a scrap.
Anybody who doesn't see this is what they are intending to do, is either blind or mentally retarded!!!!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! My handouts are going away!

At what point are people going to realize that it is high time for them to start taking care of themselves? It is not the government's job or place to provide you benefits, counseling, education, healthcare, a job etc... Get off your lazy backsides and DO SOMETHING, just make it constructive and you will reap the rewards.

BTW... the "Country our grandparents built, fought for" etc... is one predicated upon fiat currency, private central banks, huge defitis and dependency on the government. In other words, I don't think our predecesors did a very good job of leaving us much of anything.

The cuts are entirely necessary if we are to proceed into the future. I say this as a student of a college that has also taken cuts and budget reductions. You can either sit there, moan about there being no jobs, moan about the cuts, or you can do the proactive thing and get your head down, study, find a voluntary job to gain references for your CV and then you wont have so many troubles. Employers look highly on this, especially when young people come in for interviews.

reply to post by kozmo


What become a bank robber or web scammer?

Government is there to manage the economy. I agree with the OP. These kind of cuts mean there is no investment going into the education of the next generation. What with the privatisation of university education the future does not look positive for young people in the UK unless you have rich parents.

Hastings is a nice place but the OP's best bet maybe in the short-term to go abroad out of Europe. Try a TEFL course.

People in the UK will only riot for a free pair of trainers, not to get rid of the dumb-asses running the country who are only interested in protecting banks and the over-priced property market.

We all need to learn to stop relying on government programs and hand outs. You now know government is not reliable so quit looking to them for your salvation. Instead of rioting grow some vegetables and start selling them. Or if you have any kind of skill fixing things or making things etc start using that and selling it or bartering it etc. What good does rioting stealing and crime do but destroy your neighborhood/infrastructure and make life even harder?

Get some folks together and start a self sufficient cooperative of some kind, get some land and try and produce as much of your basic needs as you can and barter for the rest. This may sound impossible to you right now but it is where we are all headed any ways as coerced socialism and the fake prosperity based on credit/money from nothing crumbles under it's own weight and the corruption of those in charge.

It is better to start now while things are still relatively stable rather then after the complete collapse and there is nothing but angry starving people looking for their next meal. A new society will rise and those who start working on it now will have a leg up on those who wait till the bitter end and destroy thier neighborhoods in anger.

Why are you waiting for others to invest in your generation? Invest in yourself and those of like mind! As the saying goes "be the change you want to see". Start now!

Originally posted by hawkiye
We all need to learn to stop relying on government programs and hand outs. You now know government is not reliable so quite looking to them for your salvation. Instead of rioting grow some vegetables and start selling them. Or if you have any kind of skill fixing things or making things etc start using that and selling it or bartering it etc. What good does rioting stealing and crime do but destroy your infrastructure and make life even harder?

Get some folks together and start a self sufficient cooperative of some kind, get some land and try and produce as much as of your basic needs as you can and barter for the rest. This may sound impossible to you right now but it is where we are all headed any ways as coerced socialism and the fake prosperity based on credit/money from nothing crumbles under it's own weight and the corruption of those in charge.

It is better to start now while things are still relatively stable rather then after the complete collapse and there is nothing but angry starving people looking for their next meal. A new society will rise and those who start working on it now will have a leg up on those who wait till the bitter end and destroy thier neighborhoods in anger.

As the saying goes "be the change you want to see". Start now!

Are you seriously proposing socialism as the solution? The same socialism, who in the form of New Labour, over a period of 13 years single handedly destroyed every single aspect of our country?

Originally posted by Swanfilters

Originally posted by hawkiye
We all need to learn to stop relying on government programs and hand outs. You now know government is not reliable so quite looking to them for your salvation. Instead of rioting grow some vegetables and start selling them. Or if you have any kind of skill fixing things or making things etc start using that and selling it or bartering it etc. What good does rioting stealing and crime do but destroy your infrastructure and make life even harder?

Get some folks together and start a self sufficient cooperative of some kind, get some land and try and produce as much as of your basic needs as you can and barter for the rest. This may sound impossible to you right now but it is where we are all headed any ways as coerced socialism and the fake prosperity based on credit/money from nothing crumbles under it's own weight and the corruption of those in charge.

It is better to start now while things are still relatively stable rather then after the complete collapse and there is nothing but angry starving people looking for their next meal. A new society will rise and those who start working on it now will have a leg up on those who wait till the bitter end and destroy thier neighborhoods in anger.

As the saying goes "be the change you want to see". Start now!

Are you seriously proposing socialism as the solution? The same socialism, who in the form of New Labour, over a period of 13 years single handedly destroyed every single aspect of our country?

Are you seriously asking that question? Try reading the post first before knee jerking on your own wild assumption. Where you even remotely got that idea is anyone's wild guess....

Coerced socialism is the problem. Voluntary association is responsible for most of the things of society and not a bad thing. It is when government tries to force it at the point of a gun that is the difference.

It royaly gets my goat that we give billions away each year to other countries, which when our own house is in order is fair enough, but when our poor are really suffering and our kids face a bleak and uncertain future this has to stop for a while and take stock. We need to get things right here 1st before we try and right the world, they have already had trillions of our money and nothings changed, if anything they have grown so dependant on aid that they do bugger all for themselves anymore. The old saying that rings true more than ever today is 'CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME'

Originally posted by hawkiye
Get some folks together and start a self sufficient cooperative of some kind

edit on 28-8-2011 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Maybe it has something to do with the above statement?

Originally posted by Swanfilters

Originally posted by hawkiye
Get some folks together and start a self sufficient cooperative of some kind

edit on 28-8-2011 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

Maybe it has something to do with the above statement?

What part of voluntary and not being government coerced do you not understand? People voluntarily cooperate in almost every business on the planet. Stop trying to label it something it is not. There is nothing wrong with people cooperating socially as long as it is voluntary. it is when it is forced and coerced at the point of a gun and the fruits of ones labor is stolen to support it that makes it bad.

reply to post by kozmo


I got off my backside, went to college, went to university, got a 2:1 degree and got into loads of debt.
I then spent months working on my portfolio and applying to at least 200 job vacancies related to my degree.
I didn't get one single interview.
So, I thought perhaps I'm aiming too high, so I decided to look for any work I could find, from factory work, to call centres, admin jobs, you name it I applied to it.
It took me 1.5 years to get a job working in a shop and it was only temporary for 6 months. Once the six months were up they said they couldn't afford to keep me on so off I went. That was 2 months ago.
These past 2 months I have collected and wrote to 50 companies begging them for me to work freelance for FREE.
Only one company has agreed to do it and they only had a limited amount of work for me to do, so now I've finished that I'm right back to square one with no job, no futrure no hope MY GOD I AM SO ANGRY!!!
Then I read your ridiculous post!!

Originally posted by ispyed
reply to post by kozmo

 

What become a bank robber or web scammer?

Um, I was thinking something a bit more entrepeneurial, like inventment banker or web designer. Too many college students attend university fully expecting that a degree entitled them to a corner office with a secretary upon graduation. And to make matters worse, they take courses like film study and underwater basket weaving which contribute NOTHING to their CV.

Take a low paying job as an aid or take an unpaid internship and build a skillset that the market wants. Grow and build from there. Instead, they sit around whining and moping, playing Xbox, and taking benefits. Then they riot when anyone talks about restoring sanity and fiscal responsibility to the government.

On a final note, you are dead wrong about government menanging the economy. You see, that is precisley the problem. If government would just get the heck out of the way of the economy, it would begin growing again. The reason you see less hiring is due to more uncertainty on the part of business owners. Uncertainty regarding taxes, about regulations, about monopolies growing unfettered etc... The only thing the government is supposed to do about the economy is to make it regular; meaning keep the playing field level and ensure that companies are complying with basics like labor and environmental laws. Instead, we add hundreds of layers of government bureaocracy and regulatory commissions that inhibit the growth and development of businesses because huge resources are required just to comply with business regulations, the number one resource being profits.

Once today's youth realize that THEY have to do it for themselves, by themselves, then we can return to a mroe vibrant and entrepeneurial business climate. Last time I checked Apple was started in a garage, Microsoft from the backseat of Gate's car where he lived and Dell was founded in the guy's mother's basement.

I paid my way through college, interned, worked for a decade for crappy wages getting experience and only a few years ago did I finally make it to the middle class. And I continue to have to work my ass off just to stay there. Why should anyone else be any different? I don't understand this entitlement attitude.

Originally posted by SpaceMonkeys
reply to post by kozmo

 

I got off my backside, went to college, went to university, got a 2:1 degree and got into loads of debt.
I then spent months working on my portfolio and applying to at least 200 job vacancies related to my degree.
I didn't get one single interview.
So, I thought perhaps I'm aiming too high, so I decided to look for any work I could find, from factory work, to call centres, admin jobs, you name it I applied to it.
It took me 1.5 years to get a job working in a shop and it was only temporary for 6 months. Once the six months were up they said they couldn't afford to keep me on so off I went. That was 2 months ago.
These past 2 months I have collected and wrote to 50 companies begging them for me to work freelance for FREE.
Only one company has agreed to do it and they only had a limited amount of work for me to do, so now I've finished that I'm right back to square one with no job, no futrure no hope MY GOD I AM SO ANGRY!!!
Then I read your ridiculous post!!

Good for you! Get angry! I don't blame you. Now use that anger and channel it toward something productive. May I ask what your degree is? Part of the problem is college students selecting ridiculous degrees and then acting suprsied when there is no work for them. Example: My sister graduated with a degree in recreation therapy. Yup, you read that right, recreation therapy. Want to guess how many job offers she received in her first 2 years out of university? ZERO! Want to know what she did to make money? Waited tables at a restaurant and worked days in a call center. Eventually, she was promoted to assistant manager, then manager, then director at the call center. Recently she was recruited by a comeptitor for their director position which paid more and offered better benefits. That, my friend, is how the system works.

Do you want to know what kind of benefits she received from the government while unemployed for 2 years following university? ZERO! Is she a better person for it today? You can bet on it!