New ATS Member Claiming To Have Important Warning/Information. You Be The Judge...

Here's a group of links I've been using to watch unfolding events in the quake world.

First, I've been watching for planetary allignments:
JPL Small-Body Database Browser

Second, Geomagnetic storms:
www.solarham.com...

Third, Earthquakes:
earthquake.usgs.gov...

When planetary bodies allign, magnetic force is passed from one to the other in a line. I did notice that after the sun, elenin, earth and uranus alligned on Sept 27th 2011, we had Geomagnetic storms through the 28th. The scale shows 5 being a storm and we were in the 8's for two days. I have been watching the USGS earthquake site before,during and after the allignment and did notice increased activity. Considering the plates contain elements affected by magnetism wouldn't it be reasonable that when a geo magnetic storm passes, the magnetic force of the storm moves the plates either pushing or pulling...? The effects of such a storm passing could result in movement of the plates and subsequently the fault lines that might not be entirely visible for weeks, months... as things move... After monitoring for a few weeks now, using just those basic links, I have seen earthquake activity in areas I hadn't previously that does seem to coinside with spacial magnetism .

Using the Global Earthquake Search tool and selecting "generate Map" entering in 1954 to 2011 with a magnitude of 5 minimum to 9 maximum, you can clearly see the fault lines ripping over time and can see the leading edge of the "rip." Here is a link to the Global Earthquake Search page: earthquake.usgs.gov...

Here's also a link to Volcanic activity along the same fault lines:
volcanoes.usgs.gov...

So given relatively constant magnetic fluctuations from the sun and other spacial bodies around earth and all the minerals affected by magnetism within the plates I'm thinking it plays a large part in earthquake activity. Please keep in mind, I'm not a big quake watcher, but I do find it very interesting to monitor these links over time and see events unfolding before my eyes in almost real time.

I would also really like to say THANKS to those "in charge" of ATS and it's members for providing such a facinating site!

For those of you who may be curious, here's what the Planetary K-Index was on Sept. 27th 2011 at the same time we had the planetary allignment mentioned in my previous post. ( a level of 5 or greater is considered to be a Geomagnetic Storm.)



I would also like to mention that I was wrong in saying that the storm lasted two days, it lasted one day. (Sorry, got my facts mixed up since I up way past midnight for a few days)

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JM, back from the woods and trying to embed photos via imageshack but cant seem to get them to embed. Im using both of the forum codes that they give but still nada. Any ideas what Im doing wrong.

ON EDIT: Never mind, just found out about the new system.

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They've managed to get the ATS upload page (ver 0.1 beta) working.

Click the "Tools" button. From there you can access the upload page, and your original images also. From what I understand you will eventually be able to edit images once uploaded, but that is a future release.

The following describes the seismic situation along the west coast of the US, and why attention should never be diverted from the CSZ.

There are two primary fault systems in this area, the San Andreas Fault (SAF) and the Cascadia Subduction Zone (CSZ). The SAF is a transform fault that starts in Coachella Valley and continues under land until it moves offshore just north of Point Arena and runs parallel to the coast. It ends abruptly at the Mendocino Triple Junction, (MTJ), where it meets the subducting Gorda plate. The SAF is moving north while the North American Plate is moving south.




The north-easternmost section of the SAF, just south of the MTJ, runs through what is known as the Vizcaino Block (a remnant of the Farallon Plate). This area contains a rare geologic feature, a slabless window that is generated by removal of the subducting Gorda plate. A slabless window is an area that is void of lithosphere, and where perturbations from mantle upwelling, magmatic underplating, and crust-mantle mixing can occur. Past volcanic activity is evident in this area from undersea mapping recently carried out by NOAA along the Mendocino Fracture Zone (MFZ) (NOAA 2009b). This area is also known for faulting, submarine landslides, oceanic upwelling and large ocean canyons.

The northern section of the Vizcaino block, now a part of the Pacific plate, also acts as a rigid barrier forcing southern Gorda crust to rotate clockwise, fragment, and flow into the slabless window (Gulick 2001, Beaudoin 1996). From here to just past the MTJ is one of the most seismically active areas in the world, where the Gorda, North American and Pacific plates all collide (Chaytor 2000, 2004, 2006).



However, the energy exerted by the Pacific Plate moving north along the SAF and into the Vizcaino Block, fragmenting the Gorda Plate, has not translated into energy released along the CSZ. Instead, the CSZ from Trinidad on is locked and under extreme pressure. The maps below show the CSZ and the strain rates along the CSZ. Note that the greatest strain is at Cape Mendocino, with the strain coming from all four directions. This is a recipe for disaster. Something has to give.


Map above of strain rates along the CSZ and northern SAF. Shaded areas show approximate extent of geodetic networks. Black arrows, principal-strain rates. White arrows, maximum shear-strain rates and direction of maximum contraction.




At the same time that the SAF is pushing the Vizcaino Block into the Gorda Plate exerting pressure on the southern end of the CSZ, the northern end of the CSZ is experiencing the same kind of pressure buildup where the Juan de Fuca Plate is influenced by the Explorer Plate, which has broken free from the JDF Plate and is no longer subducting, and the N.American Plate moving south. The map below shows that, except for the 2001 anomaly inland from the CSZ, there has been no major seismic activity whatsoever between CA/OR border and southern Vancouver Island.



I like to call that map the EQ bottleneck, as that is what is occurring at both ends of the CSZ. At some point this storage of energy has to give. The tectonic plates are all in motion. There have been numerous major EQs worldwide in any area prone to EQs, except the CSZ. And in the CSZ, the weakest link is the MTJ and the fragmented Gorda Plate. The southern end has a return interval of 250-300 years, whereas the northern section has a return interval of 500+ years. The last major EQ along the CSZ occurred in 1700, while the last 50+ years has produced more major EQs along the Ring of Fire than what has occurred historically. Much of this energy has been transmitted throughout the Pacific Plate along the Ring of Fire, producing EQs in other areas, and eventually pushing that energy to, and squeezing tight, the CSZ.



Northwestern California has been and will continue to be a fragile system with major geologic instability and great earthquakes (Carver and Burke, 1987; Hardin, 1997). This observation is considered irrefutable. However, considering the pressure and stress without release that has been exerted for hundreds of years into the CSZ along the length of it's deformation front, a major EQ will probably rupture the length of this front, also known as the rupture zone.



It is accepted by seismologists that the weakest link in the CSZ is at the south end where the Gorda Plate is being pushed into extinction and the greatest stress exists. If the CSZ ruptures at the south end, it will act like a bowling ball knocking down any locked barriers along it's way all the way up into Canada. If a 400 to 500 mile rupture occurs, with the level of stress currently being exhibited, it will very likely produce the greatest EQ on record. This is why it is considered a threat to produce an M10.

ON EDIT: Thanks J&C. And the new upload system is spotless as far as I found.

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Wow thanks for that detailed information!

If there was a 10 at the southern end of the CSZ I wonder how that would feel in Los Angeles and if it would certainly set off the San Andreas in motion too. Sounds like nightmare with a side of tsunami.

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Great post, maps always
put things in better perspective
for me.

Thanks SF and CD.

When the CSZ goes SF, everything else goes is my thinking. I liken it to pressure that is released as water from a dam upstream of a bunch of other dams. When the water hits the first dam down river it overloads that dam and it goes as well, releasing its stored energy. Now there is many times more energy heading for the next dam (locked point). And on down the line.

Science doesnt have a clue at this point as an M10 has never happened in recorded history. All we know is the lithosphere is connected, and releasing pressure doesnt mean it disappears, only that it continues to the next lock.

Originally posted by zworld
Thanks SF and CD.

When the CSZ goes SF, everything else goes is my thinking. I liken it to pressure that is released as water from a dam upstream of a bunch of other dams. When the water hits the first dam down river it overloads that dam and it goes as well, releasing its stored energy. Now there is many times more energy heading for the next dam (locked point). And on down the line.

Science doesnt have a clue at this point as an M10 has never happened in recorded history. All we know is the lithosphere is connected, and releasing pressure doesnt mean it disappears, only that it continues to the next lock.

for #s and giggles:

Imagine that they are not plates, but that ( like the rest of known materials ) a 'skin' defined by 'surface tension' conditions, and in any event continuous to a certain degree ( which one would expect on a free spinning sphere (er centrifuge)) either the continents are lower density ( allowing them to "float" ) or higher density ( allowing momentum to 'float' them), in either event the continents and ocean floors have different densities under the tectonic model ( on a free rotational body ) which (in either case ) means that a vast expanse like the Pacific ocean would have a different spin rate than the continental concentrations , so the earth should have a measurable 'wobble' , like an off balance top, and it does in fact have three , so if a MASSIVE earth quake happens on the west coast under this 'hypothetical' situation , what pressure would be released and why ( not to mention how )

Hollister California is a very interesting place ( yes I have been there ). it has a lot of earth quakes BUT they tend to be non-destructive as the ground is very fluid ( it bends instead of cracking) so a research of road/sidewalk repair spending might be very informative to a correlation with when and where energy is being released ...and...

HOW / WHERe the bending is indicating movement vectors

If the evidence is in the right court a continuous skin on the planet will sink a good deal of California during the next 'mega' event , but as we watch Japan, sink, where level is begins to be an interesting question

for #s and giggles

Originally posted by Silverlok
Imagine that they are not plates, but that ( like the rest of known materials ) a 'skin' defined by 'surface tension' conditions, and in any event continuous to a certain degree ( which one would expect on a free spinning sphere (er centrifuge)) either the continents are lower density ( allowing them to "float" ) or higher density ( allowing momentum to 'float' them), in either event the continents and ocean floors have different densities under the tectonic model ( on a free rotational body ) which (in either case ) means that a vast expanse like the Pacific ocean would have a different spin rate than the continental concentrations , so the earth should have a measurable 'wobble' , like an off balance top, and it does in fact have three , so if a MASSIVE earth quake happens on the west coast under this 'hypothetical' situation , what pressure would be released and why ( not to mention how )

SL, I liken the lithosphere to on old time homemade baseball with lots of pieces stitched together, but skin probably does work better.

Now, I followed you up to floating. Had never thought in those terms, but I can see that there has to be a level of floating above the core. But I got lost at the density of continents and ocean floors. Might be a stupid question, but wouldn't the density of the ocean floor be more affected by the weight of the water. And I am totally stumped as to what the difference would be in the two systems in regards to releasing pressure but very interested.

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Maybe in relation to the melting of the sea ice from the arctic.
More water=more pressure.

Hmmm....perhaps the direction and degree of the wobble would then have to be considered into the force/stresses at work. Because then the oceans suddenly mean more .... picture the small child creating waves in a bathtub. It may be small on a global scale but I would think it significant in its affect on the 'skin'.

There has been a serious swarm going on under the Canary Islands.
www.emsc-csem.org...
Arent the Canary Islands the place with the chunk of island that could slip off into a deep trench creating a potential big tsunami for the east coast.
That doesnt feel good.

Originally posted by kdog1982
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Maybe in relation to the melting of the sea ice from the arctic.
More water=more pressure.

Not sure. Im going to have to wait for SL's explanations as I am trying to put the spin and wobble issue into the picture as well. I know more pressure also relates to more EQs but that's as far as my knowledge goes.

ON EDIT: my feeble and tired mind just remembered that there was a study carried out some time ago that dealt with water pressure causing EQs, and the authors of the study found no relation. They studied high and low tides and correlated this data to EQs in the area, and they expected to have most during high tides. But it was the other way around.

If memory serves which is not always the case.

All rotating systems precess, and the Terra/Luna system is no different. A substantially large quake, such as the 9.1 Tohaku Quake that occursd on earth and when considered as a whole as the Terra/Luna system, will change the precession (slightly) and will have a cascade effect upon the total angular momentum of said system.

Regards crustal density:

Consisting mostly of granitic rock, continental crust has a density of about 2.7g/cm3 and is less dense than the material of the Earth's mantle, which consists of mafic rock. Continental crust is also less dense than oceanic crust (density of about 3.3g/cm3), though it is considerably thicker; mostly 25 to 70 km versus the average oceanic thickness of around 7–10 km. About 40% of the Earth's surface is now underlain by continental crust. [1] Continental crust makes up about 70% of the volume of Earth's crust. [2]

So sayeth Wiki.

Oceanic crust is the part of Earth's lithosphere that surfaces in the ocean basins. Oceanic crust is primarily composed of mafic rocks, or sima, which is rich in iron and magnesium. It is thinner than continental crust, or sial, generally less than 10 kilometers thick, however it is denser, having a mean density of about 3.3 grams per cubic centimeter.

Continueth Wiki elsewhere.

So we have less dense material (continental granitic crust, 2-5 miles thick) resting atop denser oceanic (basaltic) crust. This makes sense only if the earth were not a rotating system durng its formation. You put a mixture of different elements into a centrifuge and spin it up, the heavier parts of the mixture will migrate to the outer edge of the centerfuge.

A centrifuge is a piece of equipment, generally driven by an electric motor (some older models were spun by hand), that puts an object in rotation around a fixed axis, applying a force perpendicular to the axis. The centrifuge works using the sedimentation principle, where the centripetal acceleration causes more dense substances to separate out along the radial direction (the bottom of the tube). By the same token, lighter objects will tend to move to the top (of the tube; in the rotating picture, move to the centre).

Again from (groan) Wiki.

So unless the earth formed before it started it's rotational montion, allowing the less dense elements (continental crust) to float to the surface, what we know may need to be reevaluated from the bottom up.



Tmiddlebrook, as you can see, we will discuss a topic and a whole host of ancillary and not-necessarily related subjects ad infinitum. If you really want us to:

... I would ask those of you who are trying to expose me to redirect your attention to spreading the word.

Im thnking that you're going to need to come up wih those internal memos you mentioned at the very least.

Even then, if you were to be able to convince a number of us of your sincerity, what is it do you think we would be able to do?

While it is true that the Arkansas thread (and specifically Susan) captured some Main Stream Media (most often referee to around here as MSM) attention and the outcome of a real world scenario (injection wells) was impacted, there is likely little of substance that could be accomplished unless you were able to convince a larger number of the members (and in particular the admin) of this site of your legitimacy.

So, while we have learned much about the science and methodology of earthquake prediction, and it seems as though the general consensus here is that it is more advanced than even we here in this thread supposed it to be at first, we (the contributors to this thread) really are not any closer to your stated goal.

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In order to appreciate the following, you must imagine my voice to be that of Chong, Tommy, from Cheech and Chong.

"It's like you read my mind, man. Trippy."

I wish I could express myself better these days, but-

"Dave's not here, man."

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical

So, while we have learned much about the science and methodology of earthquake prediction, and it seems as though the general consensus here is that it is more advanced than even we here in this thread supposed it to be at first, we (the contributors to this thread) really are not any closer to your stated goal.

I personally am so tired of how the US government in general operates, and especially when it comes to relating important data to the people they supposedly serve. And I think the problem stems from the fact that our government and its agents have reversed the paradigm they are supposed to be operating under, ie...they are no longer servants and the American people their masters, they are the masters and we are the flotsam and jetsam that they have to deal with in order to do their job, which to them is control everything. Control and conceal.

With that in mind, I agree that its time for solid data to be put forth by TM or leave us be to carry on a cool thread with way more current information pertinent to changing conditions in the lithosphere than can be found in the entire USGS website.

But TM, thanks for getting this thread started. As Japan recently showed, the effects and aftereffects of earthquakes could potentially end life as we know it. That alone justifies any and all quests for knowledge of EQs.

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical

So we have less dense material (continental granitic crust, 2-5 miles thick) resting atop denser oceanic (basaltic) crust. This makes sense only if the earth were not a rotating system durng its formation. You put a mixture of different elements into a centrifuge and spin it up, the heavier parts of the mixture will migrate to the outer edge of the centerfuge.

Before commenting on a couple of things, Id want to say that I have learned alot from your posts and links. Thanks for it all.

Two thoughts. Concerning land over old ocean bed, I hope someday to map out where and how long ago this occurred. This pertains to methane hydrate (MH) formation. Areas that were once in what they call a hydrate stability zone, meaning the pressure and temperature were right for turning methane gas into gas trapped in an ice lattice (methane hydrate), moves out of this zone over time as they get buried deeper, and the temps get to hot for ice, dissociating the hydrates. I call these relic hydrates, pockets of methane gas under intense pressure. I believe most kicks from encountering gas (like Deepwater Horizon) during the drilling process are actually hitting relic hydrates, even on land, as deep under the surface there are areas of ocean bed from millions of years ago that once were in the hydrate stability zone.

The reason I bring that up is because MH is affected by EQs in a big way. Massive ocean landslides and other deformations occur when big EQs hit thick MH beds. But thats a different angle to EQs and one I might start a new thread on, MH in general. Its going to be one of the biggest concerns we face in the very near future as the corporate world is banking the grid on MH extraction.

The other thought, wouldn't gravity prevent the spin out of heavier items to the surface.

I see our friend was back on today,but didn't bother to post anything.
What happened with that PSA that was suppose to be aired a couple of days ago?
Did it happen??

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Recorded it. Sorry, but Borrrinnng. I guess if you've never been through an earthquake it may help, but it was just basic earthquake safety 101. It was on a channel that no one watches, I mean no one. So, long story short, not much of a PSA that carried any weight.