New ATS Member Claiming To Have Important Warning/Information. You Be The Judge...

Originally posted by crazydaisy
If this is announced to the public
I think there would be panic - but
then again if they just leave or
be fully prepared it would save
lives. Between a rock and a
hard place here I think.

I have to disagree.
If you had 70 days notice, would there be a need for panic?
I think an orderly evacuation of those, given the choice to leave, would be the case and not mass panic.
We evacuate large portions of hurricane zones in 2-3 days without major incident.
Surely a week or more would be sufficient.
At least give the people there the option.

Below is a very interesting read on how this group was formed from Missile Navigation Specialists who were essentially debriefed and decommissioned and assimilated into the IIEPT group for which the previous link to their site was posted. Did a search on one of their scientists (George Molchan) and Earthquake Prediction and that group is directly involved with quite a few big names in the field. Its a long read but very informative and pinpoints what the group was designed to do......predictions.

And from the timeline, they have been at it for a long time with success.

Interesting Read About How The Group Formed

One more thought about tmiddlebrooks objective here before I go back to work, because like Robin, I too have great reservations about this persons motives.

Maybe there is nothing imminent coming down the pike. It stands to reason that if someone who knows of a catastrophic event, and lives in said zone, would at the very least LEAVE. Never once has this person said that was their plan, always just " be prepared" and giving us little tid bits that would lead us to discover this technology.

Perhaps, and again, this is just me thinking logically, they just have a heavy conscious because they KNOW that there was a warning system in place that could have saved lives in Japan, but was abandoned for whatever reason, and they want the masses to know this technology is present.

reply to post by Cherryontop


Yeah my thinking is along the same lines as well. I am not sure how a lawsuit was even looked upon if there was not a way to predict. I have not followed the lawsuits whereas some are suing for this reason so I guess that needs to also be investigated.

reply to post by MamaJ


I think after 56 pages, the good folks here at ATS have established there is an ability to predict. Furthermore, there's an ongoing lawsuit in Italy I believe that's precisely based on this. That's neither here nor there. I'm not talking about lawsuits, I'm talking about lives.

This sure would not be the first time technology that could be beneficial to mankind, has been suppressed.

SO it looks like the 20th of October is when the biggest "shake out" will take place....in California. Here is the link to the biggest one ever conducted...I just hope it is not a day late.

www.shakeout.org...

A oil spill is about to happen.

reply to post by LogiosHermes27


Huh? is this a prediction? Is this quake related? Little confused here.

reply to post by Doodle19815

Squids do not lie, they never do.

Originally posted by LogiosHermes27
reply to post by Doodle19815

 

Squids do not lie, they never do.

Since when do they talk? I too believe there is something up with all of them seeking higher waters and off shore...just too weird for me.

I think I have my computer probs fixed now....but for some reason, really slow here....anyone else still having freeze ups here?

reply to post by Cherryontop


I totally agree that people should be notified and given the option, but I really dont think our government would take the rest. It's for the same reason that a warning was never given in Japan. Too much risk
I am sure 'they' have a target of probability before doing anything ....even notifying other government agencies. Can you imagine if an evacuation order went out and the quake never happened? Could you imagine what would happen to the economy just because of the order?

I don't think this could be compared to a storm warning or evacuation. Those are very short term scenarios. We're looking at a few days up to a few months window. What would happen if that kind of warning went out to millions in California? I mean, the implications are staggering. Mass panic at all levels.

No.....I really don't think they'd risk it. Plus ...I don't think they'd even want to tip that hand. Best to keep knowledge that powerful close to you.

Originally posted by westcoast
reply to post by Cherryontop

 

No.....I really don't think they'd risk it. Plus ...I don't think they'd even want to tip that hand. Best to keep knowledge that powerful close to you.

And I will respectfully disagree with you again.

I admit, I am perplexed here. All over the planet, people study earthquakes. We do it here at ATS in numerous threads and pour countless resources and time into this.

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't and hasn't the ultimate goal always been to acquire the ability to PREDICT EARTHQUAKES with the intention of warning people? Warning people!!! Saving lives, not buildings, not econmies. Not to predict earthquakes so after the fact we could go back and say "Told ya so"

What Tmiddlebrook's nudging and prompting has taught us is that such technology exists. Its working, its accurate Its being used and it's being suppressed.

K Dog, I feel ya.

I don't think this could be compared to a storm warning or evacuation. Those are very short term scenarios. We're looking at a few days up to a few months window. What would happen if that kind of warning went out to millions in California? I mean, the implications are staggering. Mass panic at all levels.

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And what if they all come back after a warning has subsided and the Big one hits. I am sure they can predict a window... well...now I know they can after researching more yesterday but the implications are a HUGE risk. The shake out will be a warning according to the mysterious guy (middlebrook?? lol ) or at least that is what I read into it. Either way.... I think we all need to be prepared. ALL of us.

Back 200 or so years ago the Planet went through changes like it is now. That is no indicator, I know, but we can at least be prepared for volcanic eruptions and EQ's going off in concert. This is what I see in our near future IF history does indeed repeat itself. I have to go to work now but when I get back I will show you guys with links as to why I think we all should prepare. Not trying to scare anyone....I am not God and have no idea..just a feeling and we all know what feelings hold...... NOT a lot of merit scientifically.

Peace and love to all of ya's!!!! xoxoxo

Jenn

Originally posted by StealthyKat
I think I have my computer probs fixed now....but for some reason, really slow here....anyone else still having freeze ups here?

No...mine has been fine. You may have a virus or something.... GLAD to see you back on here though and hopefully you can get the issue resolved sooner than later. xoxoxo

Originally posted by daxpax
While we are on the subject of the Salton Sea I thought I'd post this video "The Accidental Sea". I discovered it from this ATS thread.

Stunning video, a glimpse into what a post apocalypitc world might look like.

The Accidental Sea

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Video Fix

Howdy everyone, I'm still reading along. I haven't gone anywhere, but I have been busy saving a tree (named for my family) that had been in danger of being cut downto widen a road, so my time and attention have been there.


reply to post by Vasa Croe
That is a great find! I've skimmed a little of it and will hopefully be able to delve in deeper tonight and over the weekend. It looks like it might produce some interesting leads to follow so I may have more to bring to the thread next week as I see where this document may lead.



As to why the postulated accuracy of earthquake awareness would be kept secret goes, it is probably an extremely byzantine, many-layered beast that has multiple sets of hands pulling the strings.

Think about just what's been discussed in this thread and the wide variety of disciines that have to come together for something like this to even exist, much less succeed.

We are talking geology, seismology, remote sensing, satellite data analysis, advanced computer simulation systems, predictive algorithms, re-missioned missile scientists, a host of different branches of mathematicians, and then add in that the opacity of government and you really wonder why it's not more widely known?

USGS, SCEC, JPL, NASA, DHS, FEMA, etc and all of ther adjunct departments and subcontractors. How many universities and international oligarchies of ivory towers.

Yes I know that metereorlogy (especially hurricane tracking) employs a similarly diverse (and in many cases overlapping) structure. The main difference is that weather phenomena are readily visible and cannot be easily obscured.

The causative agents of earthquakes, however, are underground and in the case of precursors, for the most part, largely hidden from public view very easily. Animal activity and the abioty for people like us to communicate with one another render that vector of study graspable by more people than some of the more high tech (satellite data etc) solutions.

The possibility of the information being surpressdd on the basis of insured assets falls close to the tin hat notion I have relative to job security for FEMA and other associated hangers-on.

In all of the things I've read surrounding this (earthquake prediction, especially the GESS and InSAR related docs) one theme that has reccurred over and over is the ability for such systems to provide information to relief agencies (FEMA) quickly so that needed assets could be activated and pre-placed in anticipation of any event.

If people in general were really as prepared as I imagine most of the people on these forums are there would not be anywhere near the reliance on the government to come to the rescue.

But then again, I may be growing too cynical.

reply to post by MamaJ


Mama J, good point.

Here's another analogy. Do you use your seat belt? I know I do. I click that thing every time I am in a car.
Do I wreck my car every time I drive it? No
But I click that seat belt every time because it minimizes my risk of being seriously injured, should I be involved in a crash.
We have air bags, restraint systems and warning sensors to tell us when something is amiss.

Apparently the planet does too.

So do I get pissed off every time I get in my car and look at that seat belt that I have to click even thought it's never really done anything for me but wrinkle my clothes? No, I click it.

We are ignoring the fact that there is a warning system available that is highly accurate and could save lives and we are worried about getting our clothes wrinkled.

If NASA and JPL sounded this warning, many more would be prepared. Maybe not a full out evacuation, but a lot more people would be saved.
The PSA'a are useless, we know this. Did "Just say No" work?
But if a person from this organization that runs the M8 algo stepped up and said look, here's what we know.....a lot more people would take heed.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, ask the good folks at Daiichi.

reply to post by daxpax

I visited the Salton Sea many years ago, it was spooky as hell. The lake is huge, salty and only one fish survives in it. A couple of boats venture out on it, but you need to clean your boat well afterwards, from the salt corrosion.

The little hotel store looked just about abandoned, although at that time it was still in service. Just a weird place.

The size of the lake is what surprised me, I had thought I \knew all the lakes around me, and then you come upon this lake! Most people in L.A./ So Cal do not even know it exists.

reply to post by jadedANDcynical

You are absolutely right. I too have become jaded and cynical. Why would I ever expect anyone in any position of authority to do the right thing?
*sigh*
Make sure you check out that link I posted.