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I am tired of people posting "Aliens do not exist" threads. We HAVE contact.
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reply to post by flight-dynamics
I wouldn't listen to jiggy if I were you.
First, that's not true. He probably has read all of 1 book and watched a few history channel programs on the topic.
Second, the reason you don't see aliens is....probably....dark matter. If they are made of dark matter, they could be orbiting the Earth and you wouldn't even see them.
Source
The ISS orbits at about 250 miles from Earth. The moon orbits at a distance of 225,000-250,000 miles from Earth. 44,000 miles sounds like a great orbit for massive alien ships.
I wouldn't listen to jiggy if I were you.
Most people do not take the time to look at this subject objectively, and the "evidence" and opinions many are reading and regarding as fact are written by individuals who are already fanatic in their beliefs and biases. That is the truth of the matter, and aliens in fact do NOT exist. At least not in the form that you are referring to.
First, that's not true. He probably has read all of 1 book and watched a few history channel programs on the topic.
Second, the reason you don't see aliens is....probably....dark matter. If they are made of dark matter, they could be orbiting the Earth and you wouldn't even see them.
To explain the fly-by anomalies, Earth-bound dark matter would have to be concentrated within a radius of about 44,000 miles around Earth, at a much higher density than astronomers have calculated to be typical of the densities in the galaxy.
Source
The ISS orbits at about 250 miles from Earth. The moon orbits at a distance of 225,000-250,000 miles from Earth. 44,000 miles sounds like a great orbit for massive alien ships.
Originally posted by blupblup
Why are we feeding the trolls again??
Hmmmm
yup, what he said. Like, come on, can you not tell the difference? really?
reply to post by Scramjet76
I hope you're right, but you could also be wrong. Some Alien Abduction researchers like Nigel Kerner, believe for example that these Alien Greys are not here for our benefit and that they have possibly hijacked our evolution, both physically and spiritually. They are basically studying the human soul with the aim of making themselves immortal and are also involved in creating Human/Alien hybrids and disturbingly once this has been perfected, they are planning on repopulating this Earth with these hybrids and we'll either be disposed of promptly, or we'll become a slave race.
www.ufodigest.com...
gralienreport.com...
The harvesting of our souls
Interview with Nigel Kerner
www.karmapolis.be...
www.nigelkerner.com...
It all sounds far fetched, but like I said, "anything is possible when you're dealing with Aliens whose technology is so far ahead of ours, it's like magic to us".
I hope you're right, but you could also be wrong. Some Alien Abduction researchers like Nigel Kerner, believe for example that these Alien Greys are not here for our benefit and that they have possibly hijacked our evolution, both physically and spiritually. They are basically studying the human soul with the aim of making themselves immortal and are also involved in creating Human/Alien hybrids and disturbingly once this has been perfected, they are planning on repopulating this Earth with these hybrids and we'll either be disposed of promptly, or we'll become a slave race.
www.ufodigest.com...
gralienreport.com...
The harvesting of our souls
Interview with Nigel Kerner
www.karmapolis.be...
www.nigelkerner.com...
It all sounds far fetched, but like I said, "anything is possible when you're dealing with Aliens whose technology is so far ahead of ours, it's like magic to us".
edit on 18-8-2011 by kindred because: (no reason given)
belief in the existence of aliens takes a lot of faith just like it takes a lot of faith to believe in the existence of god.
the evidence is mostly testimonials for both. there are pictures of u f o sand accounts of sightings just like there are sightings of the virgin mary in clouds trees and tortillas...
the evidence is mostly testimonials for both. there are pictures of u f o sand accounts of sightings just like there are sightings of the virgin mary in clouds trees and tortillas...
Originally posted by yaluk
belief in the existence of aliens takes a lot of faith just like it takes a lot of faith to believe in the existence of god.
the evidence is mostly testimonials for both. there are pictures of u f o sand accounts of sightings just like there are sightings of the virgin mary in clouds trees and tortillas...
Yes, it does. And the major thing is, there is a preponderance of evidence that ET is here, and has been here since the beginning of this little experiment, and no evidence at all that there is a God like most religious people think of a God. Perhaps there is, I will not say one way or other. I have never seen a God, but I have seen ET craft, and alien beings. To me, proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
Originally posted by autowrench
Originally posted by yaluk
belief in the existence of aliens takes a lot of faith just like it takes a lot of faith to believe in the existence of god.
the evidence is mostly testimonials for both. there are pictures of u f o sand accounts of sightings just like there are sightings of the virgin mary in clouds trees and tortillas...
Yes, it does. And the major thing is, there is a preponderance of evidence that ET is here, and has been here since the beginning of this little experiment, and no evidence at all that there is a God like most religious people think of a God. Perhaps there is, I will not say one way or other. I have never seen a God, but I have seen ET craft, and alien beings. To me, proof is in the pudding, so to speak.
some people claim to see the virgin mary here or there. some even claim god speaks to them or that god has come to people.
you claim to have seen aliens they claim to have seen mary or god. in both cases it is not real undeniable proof. what if I said I saw god, and you saw the same thing and said it was an alien then some other person shows up and says no that's a frat teen in a costume pranking you. what we both saw might be mistaken. he'll some people like. not saying you do but do you understand what I am getting at..
its all faith. .. faith that you really saw what you saw without confirmation that you are right.
reply to post by kindred
Wow, that is the craziest thing I've ever read. Are you sure that guy isn't schizophrenic?
Wow, that is the craziest thing I've ever read. Are you sure that guy isn't schizophrenic?
My honest 2 cents in a very generalized way towards not only this thread, but ATS in general:
I personally think that ATS management should change their ''nifty'' little motto from ''deny ignorance'' to ''deny, mock and disregard anything and everything that doesn't offer any concrete evidence or proof and doesn't come from a peer reviewed journal, a credible source of information or a scientifically confirmed and tested source.''
Because after all, anything else that doesn't fit under this criteria is nothing but a ''lie'', a ''hoax'' or a ''money making scheme'', right?
Cheers.
I personally think that ATS management should change their ''nifty'' little motto from ''deny ignorance'' to ''deny, mock and disregard anything and everything that doesn't offer any concrete evidence or proof and doesn't come from a peer reviewed journal, a credible source of information or a scientifically confirmed and tested source.''
Because after all, anything else that doesn't fit under this criteria is nothing but a ''lie'', a ''hoax'' or a ''money making scheme'', right?
Cheers.
reply to post by truthbringsfreedom777
Well, no. It's just that everything we know can be supported by evidence, why should the "alien/ufo" discussion be any different?
Well, no. It's just that everything we know can be supported by evidence, why should the "alien/ufo" discussion be any different?
Originally posted by truthbringsfreedom777
My honest 2 cents in a very generalized way towards not only this thread, but ATS in general:
I personally think that ATS management should change their ''nifty'' little motto from ''deny ignorance'' to ''deny, mock and disregard anything and everything that doesn't offer any concrete evidence or proof and doesn't come from a peer reviewed journal, a credible source of information or a scientifically confirmed and tested source.''
Because after all, anything else that doesn't fit under this criteria is nothing but a ''lie'', a ''hoax'' or a ''money making scheme'', right?
Cheers.
now you are just being cynical. no you are not right remove wheat from the chaff...saddly there is too much chafff here :p
OP: In my opinion there is nothing wrong with holding a belief (even if the belief is not proved to be correct, provided one does not assert it as a
fact) and I respect your beliefs. I am glad for you if your beliefs bring you fulfillment and happiness.
However, with that said, there is a distinction between beliefs and irrefutably provable facts. The case you have presented here not only produces no verifiable proof, but actually makes a point to avoid offering such proof. The person claiming to have had this experience says that the beings he encountered told him not to try to prove their existence because those who were "ripe" would know.
You ask that we read the material herein with an open mind because it will then become clear to us in an undeniable way that contact is a reality. Yet the material you linked to does not provide any verifiable proof of his claims or of his alleged encounter. It merely makes the claims and relates a story which we have no way of proving or disproving. Again, I respect and accept your beliefs. But I ask that you not ask others of a more skeptical nature to share your belief without proof or express dismay when we question the lack of verifiable proof.
As my signature says, skeptics and believers need not be at odds. But for that to be true, skeptics and believers must understand one another and hold mutual respect for one another. When you tell us you are tired of skepticism and that you have proof of contact and then produce no irrefutable proof, it does not create an environment conducive to mutual understanding and respect in my opinion.
Here is the compromise I try to make with people: I will make no factual assertions about what is or is not true unless I can prove it, and I will respect and accept your personal beliefs, provided you distinguish between belief and fact, and provide proof of anything you assert is a fact. I believe that this is more than fair, and creates understanding, respect, and tolerance between believers and skeptics.
However, with that said, there is a distinction between beliefs and irrefutably provable facts. The case you have presented here not only produces no verifiable proof, but actually makes a point to avoid offering such proof. The person claiming to have had this experience says that the beings he encountered told him not to try to prove their existence because those who were "ripe" would know.
You ask that we read the material herein with an open mind because it will then become clear to us in an undeniable way that contact is a reality. Yet the material you linked to does not provide any verifiable proof of his claims or of his alleged encounter. It merely makes the claims and relates a story which we have no way of proving or disproving. Again, I respect and accept your beliefs. But I ask that you not ask others of a more skeptical nature to share your belief without proof or express dismay when we question the lack of verifiable proof.
As my signature says, skeptics and believers need not be at odds. But for that to be true, skeptics and believers must understand one another and hold mutual respect for one another. When you tell us you are tired of skepticism and that you have proof of contact and then produce no irrefutable proof, it does not create an environment conducive to mutual understanding and respect in my opinion.
Here is the compromise I try to make with people: I will make no factual assertions about what is or is not true unless I can prove it, and I will respect and accept your personal beliefs, provided you distinguish between belief and fact, and provide proof of anything you assert is a fact. I believe that this is more than fair, and creates understanding, respect, and tolerance between believers and skeptics.
edit on 8/18/2011 by
AceWombat04 because: Typo
Originally posted by AceWombat04
OP: In my opinion there is nothing wrong with holding a belief (even if the belief is not proved to be correct, provided one does not assert it as a fact) and I respect your beliefs. I am glad for you if your beliefs bring you fulfillment and happiness.
However, with that said, there is a distinction between beliefs and irrefutably provable facts. The case you have presented here not only produces no verifiable proof, but actually makes a point to avoid offering such proof. The person claiming to have had this experience says that the beings he encountered told him not to try to prove their existence because those who were "ripe" would know.
You ask that we read the material herein with an open mind because it will then become clear to us in an undeniable way that contact is a reality. Yet the material you linked to does not provide any verifiable proof of his claims or of his alleged encounter. It merely makes the claims and relates a story which we have no way of proving or disproving. Again, I respect and accept your beliefs. But I ask that you not ask others of a more skeptical nature to share your belief without proof or express dismay when we question the lack of verifiable proof.
As my signature says, skeptics and believers need not be at odds. But for that to be true, skeptics and believers must understand one another and hold mutual respect for one another. When you tell us you are tired of skepticism and that you have proof of contact and then produce no irrefutable proof, it does not create an environment conducive to mutual understanding and respect in my opinion.
Here is the compromise I try to make with people: I will make no factual assertions about what is or is not true unless I can prove it, and I will respect and accept your personal beliefs, provided you distinguish between belief and fact, and provide proof of anything you assert is a fact. I believe that this is more than fair, and creates understanding, respect, and tolerance between believers and skeptics.edit on 8/18/2011 by AceWombat04 because: Typo
well said.
I like to read content and find out more before considering.
here's the Dutch author on video with English subtitles. it's funny because he says the aliens speak english to us from picking up transmissions.
and now it's subtitled in such.. har
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here's the Dutch author on video with English subtitles. it's funny because he says the aliens speak english to us from picking up transmissions.
and now it's subtitled in such.. har
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of interest around the 9minmark is when he's asked about their teeth.
he mentions that they have artificial teeth instead of the originals because the artificial are like like scissors and more efficient.
in the dental field, this is becoming a more used technique for dentures. blades are used to cut through things like steak and become possible to eat again for bone loss patients.
just a point to mull over.
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he mentions that they have artificial teeth instead of the originals because the artificial are like like scissors and more efficient.
in the dental field, this is becoming a more used technique for dentures. blades are used to cut through things like steak and become possible to eat again for bone loss patients.
just a point to mull over.
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reply to post by kauskau
I read some about the Zeta Reticuli's, you know your average gray.
Basically they stopped reproducing because their heads were too big to give birth to and they want to connect us all by letting us get over the fear of rape.
They must be so intelligent to not realise how much that hurts us physically and mentally, that won't connect us but make us fear them even more.
They think we need to embrace the fear to connect to our one creator.
That shiz is hilarious and if you take it as fact your just as hilarious.
It's alot of well thought out BS.
I read some about the Zeta Reticuli's, you know your average gray.
Basically they stopped reproducing because their heads were too big to give birth to and they want to connect us all by letting us get over the fear of rape.
They must be so intelligent to not realise how much that hurts us physically and mentally, that won't connect us but make us fear them even more.
They think we need to embrace the fear to connect to our one creator.
That shiz is hilarious and if you take it as fact your just as hilarious.
It's alot of well thought out BS.
edit on 18-8-2011 by Chukkles because: (no reason given)
reply to post by adeclerk
For humanities sake, I hope he is. But quite a lot of researchers are now coming around to his way of thinking. I still find this view hard to stomach myself, but it's important to keep an open mind, because anything is possible when it comes to Aliens. We are like two goldfish stuck in a bowl, wondering just what the hell is going on out there.
eventsfinal.blogspot.com...
www.alienresistance.org...
socioecohistory.wordpress.com...[edi tby]edit on 19-8-2011 by kindred because: (no reason given)
For humanities sake, I hope he is. But quite a lot of researchers are now coming around to his way of thinking. I still find this view hard to stomach myself, but it's important to keep an open mind, because anything is possible when it comes to Aliens. We are like two goldfish stuck in a bowl, wondering just what the hell is going on out there.
eventsfinal.blogspot.com...
www.alienresistance.org...
socioecohistory.wordpress.com...[edi tby]edit on 19-8-2011 by kindred because: (no reason given)