I am tired of people posting "Aliens do not exist" threads. We HAVE contact.

Originally posted by Beamish


There are, believe it or not, people on it who lie.

........ GASP!!.......... say it isn't so??
Honestly the amount of tripe spewed all over the internet is enough to give anyone an aneurism, and no one thing will ever align with any other one thing. Hard to research when everyone's "theory" conflicts with everyone elses.

reply to post by wutz4tom


My Response to the "Aliens are Demons" Enthusiast

BIGFOOT is Truly a Demon...
How else can you explain the foul smell
the blood curdling screams.....
...Ofcourse I Don't believe bigfoot is a demon.....but I have Just as Much Proof that bigfoot is a demon as you do that aliens are demons...Lets get 100% inconclusive proof that they exist before we label them.

reply to post by wutz4tom


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sorry..double post

To an technologically advanced ancient Alien species, this planet is probably one big research laboratory or experiment and these Aliens can do with us as they please and there's probably not a damn thing we could do about it. To argue whether they are here or not is futile, because if they wanted too, they could play us like a fiddle and we still wouldn't be aware that they are here. We are at their mercy.

But that won't stop any rationale, logically thinking human being from demanding evidence of their existence.

reply to post by Funshinez


Totally agreed. This is exactly the kind of stuff that makes the UFO community look like morons. No sane person will believe this ridiculous story.

I have also seen a grey..

It is very real..

I HAVE MADE CONTACT!!

The truth is that what many claim as "evidence" is not susceptible to scientific evaluation, therefore aliens cannot be proven to exist at this point in time. There is some circumstantial evidence, but that is all. When viewing everything as a whole, especially when looking at early sighting reports, something immediately jumps out at me.

The sightings always increased according to an increase in the public's attention to the topic. The Air Force's extensive study of the subject, including projects Sign, Grudge, and Bluebook, which in itself was subjected to multiple Congressional inquiries, found that there was nothing to prove the existence of extraterrestrials, and that it would do the government no good to waste millions more to attempt to study them.

Most people do not take the time to look at this subject objectively, and the "evidence" and opinions many are reading and regarding as fact are written by individuals who are already fanatic in their beliefs and biases. That is the truth of the matter, and aliens in fact do NOT exist. At least not in the form that you are referring to.

The way you worded your thread implies to me that you are going on the offensive so to speak, which leads me to believe that you CANNOT be objective in any analysis regarding this subject. You will seek out what fits your beliefs while subsequently avoiding anything that threatens it.

The truth is, that since this thread is similar to all of those books and articles and everything else presented by biased believers in the subject matter, that this thread will sway at least one individual into your camp and beliefs, because it is a chain reaction. This is how the subject has gotten out of control in the first place.

If one person believes in something, but does not have sufficient evidence to prove it, this person can convince others simply with their rhetoric, as well as by presenting certain things in a certain light. The UFO and alien topic is one of the biggest scam in human history, perpetrated inadvertently by those who wish to "scientifically" prove the existence of such beings.

I would like to leave everyone with a link to a manuscript written in 1974. It was never published, although it is now available for no charge online. This manuscript should be required reading for anyone who wishes to make claims regarding the subject of UFO's.

This manuscript will give you a good understanding of the origins of the phenomenon, which you may think you know about but trust me, you do not if you have yet to read this.

LINK TO MANUSCRIPT

The url is just one site that hosts this document, and the site I have linked to is ProjectBlueBook.us

My thought on this is that its entirely possible for an Alien Race to visit our Planet and i am a believer of Alien Life. Theres simply no way we can be alone. While there is no undeniable "proof" for Alien Visitation theres enough evidence of UFO's for people to make their own conclusion. Its all on how you interpretate the evidence

reply to post by kauskau


"Truth is a property of belief and derivatively of sentences which express beliefs." Bertrand Russell 1872-1970

"What we need is not the will to believe, but the wish to find out, which is exactly the opposite." Bertrand Russell 1872-1970

I have proof beyond numbering that we exists...
We show people who claim to want to know truth,...and they act blind. DNA degeneration.

Originally posted by kauskau
How does it come that people who do not have studied this issue or who do have only seen a few youtube videos think they can make a real conclusion. Its really laughable how they act up as if they had seen and experienced everything on earth .

I make this short. because its not about me or my thoughts. In the last 4 years i learned that i can not "sell" my belief to anyone. My surety about the fact that we already have contact is beyond a weak belief. I read so much and studied for the last 9 years.
Still no matter how much arguments i present ,people only will find their way to that information if they start studying it for them selfs.

"UFO contact from planet IARGA" is one of those books which is REAL. BEYOND A DOUBT. Study it..reads it...its about a person who made contact..read it and u ll know . (www.galactic.no...)

Bashar (darryl anka) and Lyssa Royal already made contact to et and there u can read a lot about this topic too and i gurantee u: if u have an open mind and give it a chance u will know why this sources are valid and real. But i will not argue why they are real and how i come to that idea..i already did that once here about bashar.

For the ones who are interested read this
and watch some bashar videos on youtube (just type "bashar" and there ull have plenty)

here are somechannelings about et: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

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Why is it that no one is listening to my story or my evidence? I am the Lockheed Martin door that they don't want unlocked or opened to the public for I have their star logo in the lines of the palm of my right hand. I am living proof that consciousness may not necessarily be a prouduct of the anatomy of the human brain but that it could actually come from another source (like a ufo). My story is too original to be defied. I have a friend that told me once that his dad had seen some things in vietnam that I myself had actually been through ( hence the warning on the lock in lockheed) All Questions are welcomed

Originally posted by SaturnFX
No open mind needed

just present the proof.

...but for now, there is no actual smoking gun proof of this, so its still just speculation and hypothesis on a offical level.

I think one would have to be foolish or mathmatically challenged to think this is the only game in town, but until there is proof, then yeah, we go with what we know with a open mind that there will be more information offically coming one day.

Only 500 years ago, our civilization was CONVINCED that the Earth was flat. Just imagine 500 years from now. And our history is proof that there is other intelligent life forms out there that have contacted us. Ancient Aliens, etc. Not to mention archaeological wonders that is to this day impossible to replicate with our technology.

Dont sweat em UFOOWNER......I get it all the time at different sites. lol! Banned even!
I do....its true....I'm should be in the Guinness Book for being banned the most ever in websites! Lmao! I'm the MJ ,the Queen of banned for telling the truth!
They dont care about us! To qoute "The King".

reply to post by kauskau

Except you're not asking for evidence. The link you supplied made my eyes roll. I honestly tried to read it. I gave it my best shot. But I started to feel nauseous. My stomach was getting weak. I was on the verge of throwing up breakfast and lunch all over the desk and the computer. I had to leave so that it wouldn't happen that way. I didn't want to, but I had no choice.

I'm sorry. I still believe we will find aliens:
1) Cellular, maybe in an asteroid or comet debris or something we know is from space that harbors a form of life inside
2) We will find an intellignet signal from elsewhere (or inside), a radio signal or a light signal or some other signal.
3) We find an ancient artifact on earth or elsewhere that hints we're not the first intelligent beings

I think it'll be something like that. But evidence must come first, not blind belief.

In a universe with billions and billions of stars and billions and billions of galaxies, there probably is something out there. It might not be intelligent, but there should be a lot of primitive viral or cellular life. I'd be surprised if there wasn't any other intelligent life in the universe, but I don't rule that out. I think it's astronomically unlikely that earth is the only place in the whole universe with any kind of life. The only way I can justify that is if this were a simulation or god really did put us here for some purpose. That would be both unnerving and amazing beyond belief.

And you know, people far in the future would read the things we say and just laugh at us. Our knowledge is i'm sure primitive by any future standard. Just as we would joke aobut someone 1000 years ago. Geez, for thousands of years we thought the earth was the center of the universe. For several hundreds of years we felt the sun was. And for hundreds of years we've leanred about our galaxy and the universe. If you continue this pattern into the future, we should start finding other universes OR a much larger universe than what's observable.

Think about it carefully:
1) Earth is the center
2) Sun is the center
3) Galaxy is the center
4) Universe is the center
5) UniverseS are the center... (this is the next pattern as I see it)

We keep increasing hte size of 'reality'. Everything gets more complicated. I see no reason why that pattern should stop. I see no reason why knowledge progression should stop. I'll wait...

Nature has a pattern to it. A chaotic fractcal pattern. If the universe has precise conditions to allow for life then I suspect that the universe itself is like a living organism. Just like life it has evolved precise conditions to prosper. Precise conditions don't just happen. Either something intended it (like a god) or it is an expression of some kind of evolution or probability process. That would right there suggest multiple universes, some that succeed and some that don't.

There is some speculation that our own universe expands and contracts forever. Lots of speculation. They're looking for signatures of other universes bumping into this one too.

reply to post by kauskau

How does it come that people who do not have studied this issue or who do have only seen a few youtube videos think they can make a real conclusion. Its really laughable how they act up as if they had seen and experienced everything on earth.

It's pretty hilarious I agree. I have never seen a UFO, but I have had a very reliable family member see one in the 1960s in Peru in broad daylight. A UFO landing and an alien seen by 3 small boys in KY in 1963 is part of our family. My father spoke with one of the boys when that boy was 10 years old. He knew in 1963, and he called him not too long ago and the man has been very successful in life. He remembered my father as one of the "older neighborhood kids" from his childhood and was glad to hear from him again. He stood by his story and said he remembers it like it was yesterday. My ex-girlfriend has seen a UFO, however she might be a possible experiencer. And you know my ex told me this when we were younger and long before I got into reading about UFOs. And she stood by the story 12 years later. And she's not trying to make things up. You can tell it makes her anxious but that "she knows what she saw wasn't of this Earth."

Honestly it is our job to start talking about it as a species. The aliens know that WE WANT TO KILL THEM AND CONTINUE TO DO 'WHATEVER WE WANT.' Because that's what we do. That's what we have always done.
They didn't come all this way because they are idiots and they are going to get fooled by a human. They know that we fear them greatly and that's what it comes down to. There is no need for them to land near the White House.

What mankind's problem is exactly what Ricky (ufoabductee) says. For example, when he tells people he's been taken by aliens. They always ask what the inside of their ship looked like. Or what the aliens look like. And he answers, "You don't know want to know if they told me anything?" Like as in *hint hint* learning (from true adults). And people don't care because they are just too into themselves. We see ourselves as seperate from the Whole and the "aliens" are aware of this.

I think Ufoabductee on youtube is for real man. He spells it out in lingo any 7th grader could understand. Part 1 starts off slow, but it builds and gets better. Part 2 is good and very informative:

Questions and Answers with UFO Abductee #1
Questions and Answers with UFO Abductee #2

good post

reply to post by kindred

because if they wanted too, they could play us like a fiddle and we still wouldn't be aware that they are here. We are at their mercy.

Bingo.

The point of life is not the domination of lesser creatures.

I think they are dismayed by the fact that we can't ever seem to learn that lesson on a mass conscious scale.

I think they want us to learn and evolve. But we are too afraid...

Reminder: UFO's don't mean alien spacecraft.

Just because someone has seen a UFO doesn't make them witness to an alien encounter. Not in the least bit.

I do believe aliens (in some form) exist out there. I don't believe, however, that they are visiting or have ever visited planet Earth. (call me what you will.) The evidence isn't strong enough in my humble opinion. I've never seen one. Sucks for me, but I want to believe they are here.

I have to wonder why, given the millions of legitimate scientists and astronomers that we have on this planet along with the numerous space agencies, there isn't a large contingent of these very smart people that publicly support the existence of aliens on this planet. Why don't they have the proof?

Even Carl Sagan argued that the chances of extraterrestrial spacecraft visiting Earth are 'vanishingly small'. Blasphemy! Is he not to be trusted now? Hardly- I find him to be a very highly respected scientist. And an honorable and trustworthy personality, even by ATS standards.

Does anyone ever consider how hard it would be to find our planet in the vastness of space? We live in the "boonies" by galactic standards. A dark and lonely corner with nothing going on around us. The closest star systems to ours are still light years away. We don't even register on the visual spectrum we're so damn small. We're a particle of dust. Atomic in size. Our sun is a pin prick of a star. How can they see us!?

To give an idea of how tiny we are, here's a photo taken from Voyager 1 as it was leaving our solar system. It was taken from some 3.5 billion miles away- a very large distance by human standards, but barely a bunny hop by galactic measure.

Can you see us?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/07cba8da2a6a.png[/atsimg]

The size of a pixel (actually 0.12 pixel), and that's from just outside our solar system. A little further out and we can no longer be seen.

So how do all the aliens know where to find us?

I'll tell you what, I am deep into reading this story and I'll say that the part about creation and religion really rings true in my gut. It sounds so familiar like I knew it already, and it's told in a much more direct manner that everyone can understand. It lacks the mysterious air of the Bible, yet it backs it up. I am really inclined to believe this whole story although I will retain a healthy skepticism.

Also, the part about the antichrist describes someone we all know.. anyone know what I mean? Let's just say that if Obama declares martial law for some reason, we might have a likely candidate.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
The truth is that what many claim as "evidence" is not susceptible to scientific evaluation, therefore aliens cannot be proven to exist at this point in time. There is some circumstantial evidence, but that is all. When viewing everything as a whole, especially when looking at early sighting reports, something immediately jumps out at me.

The sightings always increased according to an increase in the public's attention to the topic. The Air Force's extensive study of the subject, including projects Sign, Grudge, and Bluebook, which in itself was subjected to multiple Congressional inquiries, found that there was nothing to prove the existence of extraterrestrials, and that it would do the government no good to waste millions more to attempt to study them.

Most people do not take the time to look at this subject objectively, and the "evidence" and opinions many are reading and regarding as fact are written by individuals who are already fanatic in their beliefs and biases. That is the truth of the matter, and aliens in fact do NOT exist. At least not in the form that you are referring to.

The way you worded your thread implies to me that you are going on the offensive so to speak, which leads me to believe that you CANNOT be objective in any analysis regarding this subject. You will seek out what fits your beliefs while subsequently avoiding anything that threatens it.

The truth is, that since this thread is similar to all of those books and articles and everything else presented by biased believers in the subject matter, that this thread will sway at least one individual into your camp and beliefs, because it is a chain reaction. This is how the subject has gotten out of control in the first place.

If one person believes in something, but does not have sufficient evidence to prove it, this person can convince others simply with their rhetoric, as well as by presenting certain things in a certain light. The UFO and alien topic is one of the biggest scam in human history, perpetrated inadvertently by those who wish to "scientifically" prove the existence of such beings.

I would like to leave everyone with a link to a manuscript written in 1974. It was never published, although it is now available for no charge online. This manuscript should be required reading for anyone who wishes to make claims regarding the subject of UFO's.

This manuscript will give you a good understanding of the origins of the phenomenon, which you may think you know about but trust me, you do not if you have yet to read this.

LINK TO MANUSCRIPT

The url is just one site that hosts this document, and the site I have linked to is ProjectBlueBook.us

The above post is right on - couldn't have said it better myself in fact it is my opinion of this phenomenon after having studied it as long as people who claim they can prove aliens exist. Not enough evidence.

The original thread's topic sounds like someone frustrated that they can't have it their way and don't want to be challenged to think beyond the default hypothesis that the UFO community has come to without concrete evidence.

Alien supporters claim that non-believers need to "keep an open mind", but when confronted with counter opinions they want to close their minds and cannot follow their own advice. You cannot have it both ways alien believers........