A lie told often enough becomes the truth!

Yes Loki you wisdom is great you will die at Bifrost when it collapses under the pressure of you and you army off giants, but I will get my revenge it is I who guard Bifrost with Heimdal.
I remember the mistletoe, and Nana has told me I will be the victor.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

Ps: Loki see you on the plain of Ida

[edit on 19-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

The reason you are probably getting called an anti-semite is because you aren't differentiating between the descendents of Biblical Israel and those who practice Judaism.

You are, but you are just calling everyone a Jew. Also, a semite does not only refer to a Biblical Israelite but to all the people in the area. Nor are the majority of jews actual semites.

Maybe next time you could make the differentiation a little clearer instead of referring to all of them as jews.

Originally posted by theron dunn
So, let me get this straight...

You ACTUALLY believe all that tripe about bilderbergs and such, or are you just posting it to poke with a pointed stick?

Thanks

I think there is definitely something (not saying what) going on with the Bilderberg meetings. Can't prove it, but it seems pretty obvoius to me that if this many powerful men from all over the world have these meetings, it's not just for fellowship or for the "hot dogs and cake afterwards". I usually find myself in agreement with you Theron, but I DO think there is something going on with the Bilderbergs. Maybe not anything "shady" but definitely something, and something that affects all of us.

*EDIT FOR CONTENT*



[edit on 8/19/04 by The Axeman]

Disinformation so far:

If I may be so bold as to indulge in a posting infraction here. I know, no one-liners, but I need to, ''cause it' feels so good. Last one, I promise!


Baron Bilbo Baggins, of Bilbo's Empire of the uh . . . . Neutral Zone . . . . Who claims:

1.) This thread shall only be filled with known facts.

and then goes on a what looks like a Prozac bender . . .

2.) Not much is known about these prison wardens as I like to call them in fact they are not even on this earth at least not in physical form, they are the energies that have the job of keeping us in place so we wont know the truth or be ridiculed by every one else so we wont dare speaking our minds.
Their home is the 4th density, there is a higher frequency there so it cant be compared to our slow moving 3rd density.
These watchers are the police of the illuminati they hold us in place so we can be exploited again and again.
I would like some feedback on the subject of these so called watchers!

Bilbo, Son of Zorvlox the Magnificent of the planet Zarblongia . . . ROFL.

Aw, man . . . . . pure entertainment.

Bilbo: You need to stuff a garbage bag under your door and if possible, put tape over the keyhole in order to keep the Watchers out. Their ability to assume a gaseous form at will allows them to enter into any closed area . . . some have even been known to pass through yards of rock. They gather their sustenance from solar flares, and are responsible for the outrageous bus fares you pay. They have also been linked to burrito indigestion and the recipe for the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices.

There's your feedback on the Watchers.

Alright I've had my fun. I'll go back to being a good boy, probably 250 points poorer, but you got to pay the piper.

-Cheers.

So, let me get this straight...

You ACTUALLY believe all that tripe about Bilderberg and such, or are you just posting it to poke with a pointed stick?

You started off with a claim to stick with facts, but you offer only unsubstantiated opinions and gas... a fact is, for instance, when you drop a hammer while at zero acceleration in a positive gravity, it will fall. Two plus two equals four. Clinton is a liar... you know, actual real things.

Opinions on the other hand are pretty much... anything, valid or not, like your distrust of masons, and my opinion that you seem to be an anti-Semite.

Thanks

Jamuhn: Ok then perhaps I haven�t been to clear on what I mean then, I am sorry for that I will try to explain what it is I mean.
I have no problems with the Semites and yes I know what a Semite is, I don�t have a problem with those that call them selves Jews but aren�t I just don�t understand it, I do have a problem with the Rothschild�s and most Zionist movements.
Again I don�t have a problem with any branch of our race, but a branch of our political side and some elite people which I am not even sure as if they are humans, but again I have no evidence of that its just what I feel.
No human would in their right mind make a plan that kills most of the world population.

The Axeman: Hmmm perhaps you are right but I just have a problem with powerful men hiding in secret meetings and making plans that affect the world without any press coverage.
I want it all out in the open if you have nothing to fear you have nothing to hide.
But if you look at the men attending these meetings, you will see they are most influential and do have lots of power and I don�t think as you also say that they only come for the hotdogs and the cake.


Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

Originally posted by Loki
This might help:

The root of Laudi is a Latin word.

I think that the term very roughly translates to Demon Worshippers.

Any input?

Yeah. That's pretty farfetched. Why would a group have a name half in Japanese and half in Latin? It doesn't make sense, culturally. The eastern equivalent of Latin is generally Chinese, so the group might have a name in Japanese and Chinese, but the idea of being in Japanese in Latin is too farfetched (and I say this as someone who's lived in Japan)

Originally posted by DetectivePerez
This is pure speculation. While I wait for a translator to return my e-mail, I can only speculate that Laudi means Lady. Therefore Akuma Laudi might mean Demon Lady.

Combining a foreign word with a Japanese word is not uncommon in advertising and company names, but not within religious or cultural societies in Japan. It's fantasy TV show stuff (not complaining about what you said, DP, just indicating that I don't think combining European and Japanese words in a society name is likely).

Take the Aum Shinrikyoo. Aum here is the Hindu omnific, but that's understandable within an Eastern religious tradition. Shinrikyoo is an agglutinated Japanese word. This is not uncommon, but I've never seen a Latin or otherwise European word used in this context.

I have to agree with AK on this DP and Loki think you may be searching in the wrong place!

Bilbo

Originally posted by NeonHelmet

The Axeman: Hmmm perhaps you are right but I just have a problem with powerful men hiding in secret meetings and making plans that affect the world without any press coverage.
I want it all out in the open if you have nothing to fear you have nothing to hide.
But if you look at the men attending these meetings, you will see they are most influential and do have lots of power and I don�t think as you also say that they only come for the hotdogs and the cake.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

My bad, guy. I meant to say I DO NOT think it's just for the refreshments, i.e., methinks they are up to something.

Sorry for the confusion.

-A

I think I didn�t write it properly I agreed with you AxeMan, I understood what you wrote that they didn�t come there for snacks.

Bilbo

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
The Axeman: Hmmm perhaps you are right but I just have a problem with powerful men hiding in secret meetings and making plans that affect the world without any press coverage.
I want it all out in the open if you have nothing to fear you have nothing to hide.
But if you look at the men attending these meetings, you will see they are most influential and do have lots of power and I don�t think as you also say that they only come for the hotdogs and the cake.

Baron, while I applaud athe idea of getting the Bilderbergs "all out in the open", just how are you gonna do it. The meetings are in secret. They have no web site. Them complete membership is unknown. We are not sure exactly what they do.
Even if you knew someone who gets invited, I doubt they'd spill the beans for the rest of the world.

DontTreadOnMe I don�t believe you would applaud me, but I will amuse you with an answer, perhaps you shouldn�t come sneaking in after making statements as these.

NeonHelmet,

after having read many of your posts in the last day or so, I have come to the conclusion that you make no sense.
Perhaps it is time to return to you little hobbit hole, mmmmmmmmm?

Quote: Originally posted by Nygdan
Quote: Originally posted by NeonHelmet
It is true that most of the USA presidents can be traced back to Charlemagne the great.


Please present the evidence to support this assertion.


Sounds like something right out of an Icke tome.
Perhaps the biggest secret

You don�t think i make any sense and that I belong here, you also imply that all I do is read David Icke books or at least that is what I get from your final remark, am I wrong in that assumption?
I know you don�t believe anything I write so why you ask me puzzles me, but here goes I will expose the Bilderberg through this site and by doing research into this subject with fellow thinkers, much of the Bilderberg has already been put out in the light look at this site www.bilderberg.org already we know a lot about the people attending these meetings it tends to draw some attention to you when many top advisors and bankers meet up in a otherwise normal location.
And I have my belief I am sure on the facts I have I believe that all this was decided many years before any of us were even born.
All you have to do is connect the dots and you will see a global conspiracy unfolding in front of you.


Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

My fun at Bilbo's expense is called "disinformation"? LOL. It was actually a cute repartee. Disinformation is false information, or propaganda. Obviously, no one actually believes you're Baron Bilbo Baggins, Master of Castle Greyskull and Overlord of Narnia.

As for the Bilderburgs . . . . they probably discuss politics and business and patronage, and that sort of thing. Something people in power would discuss at any exclusive golf club. I see nothing special about that. Then again, I'm not privy to their meetings, nor are any of you, so any discussion about the subject is pure speculation, which is fun for a while, but ultimately, is mental masturbation. It's a topic that has alot of sex appeal for obvious reasons, but its consonant theories don't hold up under scrutiny. Lack of evidence. No disinformation, just a whole lot of information that is neither here nor there.

Most of what our friend Bllbo posts make for juicy pseudo-documentaries on FOX, but is largely unprovable. It's good to ask questions about them, but it's important to not get carried away by them. The problem is our culture, Hollywood, people like Erich Von Danekin who actually get airtime, loves this sort of thing - more for it's diversionary value than its concrete, factual value - if there is any of that to beign with. There is a difference between "Power" qua political and social power, the "manufacturing of consent", what Noam Chomsky writes, and unsubstantiated, cloak-and-dagger double dealing in the guise of charity or such. The stuff about the "Watchers" speaks for itself in this regard. One is based on political theory and a long list of distinguished scholars such as Noam Chomsksy, Bakunin, Edward Hermann, and other admittedly Libertarian, Left-wingers. Then there are the legend and lore theories that don't actualy lend themselves to reasonable, quantifiable discussion by their very nature. You'll find yourself going around in circles very soon.

So what do we do with these things that Bilbo and others love so dearly? We aknowledge them, ask a few questions, marvel at them, but we don't beieve them entirely, and we certainly don't let them define all the other issues.




[edit on 19-8-2004 by LTD602]

So, a bunch of businessmen get together, and suddenly its some big conspiracy? Sheesh. I have no problem with people meeting in secret to plan... whatever the heck they want... last time I checked, it was a free society and anyone can meet with anyone for any reason, as long as its not illegal. And in the US, a man (or group) is presumed innocent until EVIDENCE (back to that FACT thing again) is presented to show otherwise.

A lack of evidence is not evidence of anything... but I guess worrying about conspiracies keeps some folks out of trouble.

Originally posted by theron dunn
. And in the US, a man (or group) is presumed innocent until EVIDENCE (back to that FACT thing again) is presented to show otherwise.

Heh, Theron, this is actually the Golden Thread of British Jurisprudence. We, in the commonwealth, had it first, nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah

OK, having got that out of my system... having the onus upon the accuser is simply a common-sense legal maxim. If accusations without proof stain anyone with even one iota of publicly perceived guilt, you've entered a witch-hunt system. Admittedly, this isn't a perfect world, and there are some crimes where even the accusation causes someone harm (such as child molestation or sexual harassment), which is why we have the possibility of civil suits to redress the harm you've done to someone. The problem is that even then you look like a villain ("This child's parents accused you of molesting him, and now you're suing them?!?! What kind of scum are you?") So perhaps the sanest course as responsible citizens is to weight the scale toward holding back from making serious accusations against other people or groups -- because the horrible thing about rumours is that once you start them, there's no way to stop them.

I have to say that this dude who started this thread [neon-whatever] is just a little bit on the anti-semetic side.. I mean... so a bunch of caucasians and turks bloody converted to judaism like a zillion years ago..., I cant say Im running to my rabbi in terror, doubting that the girl I knobbed at the age of 14 was a 'fake-jewish princess'... puleeze! There have been sh*tloads of powerful jewish banking families.. again for like a zillion years (fuggers to name a REALLY famous one.. bankrolled the whole Holy Roman Empire under Charles V), no conspiracy there. If you have no political power.. and understand the basic tenants of early capitalism before 'non-usurous' Christians.. its only natural that some'll get bloody rich one day. The Rothschilds may be some knarly uber rich outfit.. and we should be wary of all these uber bourgois money/power centres, coz they f*kkin do run this world for the worse (same goes with bilderberg) but lay off the 'jewsih infestation' (or whatever the F*K u said) and all the Khazars/fake-jew stuff... it's misleading, offensive, and actually detracts from the real truth..that jew or Christian or muslim... its the P O W E R that drives these bastards.. their ethno-relgious origins, while often interesting are largely irrelevant to the struggle against the power of organised global capital...

I mean.. I dont know many Chinese Commie jews.. but would you say that that outfit (government of the People's Rep. China) is any less involved?????


Q

More disinformation by the MASONS:

My fun at Bilbo's expense is called "disinformation"? LOL. It was actually a cute repartee. Disinformation is false information, or propaganda. Obviously, no one actually believes you're Baron Bilbo Baggins, Master of Castle Greyskull and Overlord of Narnia.

As for the Bilderburgs . . . . they probably discuss politics and business and patronage, and that sort of thing. Something people in power would discuss at any exclusive golf club. I see nothing special about that. Then again, I'm not privy to their meetings, nor are any of you, so any discussion about the subject is pure speculation, which is fun for a while, but ultimately, is mental masturbation. It's a topic that has alot of sex appeal for obvious reasons, but its consonant theories don't hold up under scrutiny. Lack of evidence. No disinformation, just a whole lot of information that is neither here nor there.

Most of what our friend Bllbo posts make for juicy pseudo-documentaries on FOX, but is largely unprovable. It's good to ask questions about them, but it's important to not get carried away by them. The problem is our culture, Hollywood, people like Erich Von Danekin who actually get airtime, loves this sort of thing - more for it's diversionary value than its concrete, factual value - if there is any of that to beign with. There is a difference between "Power" qua political and social power, the "manufacturing of consent", what Noam Chomsky writes, and unsubstantiated, cloak-and-dagger double dealing in the guise of charity or such. The stuff about the "Watchers" speaks for itself in this regard. One is based on political theory and a long list of distinguished scholars such as Noam Chomsksy, Bakunin, Edward Hermann, and other admittedly Libertarian, Left-wingers. Then there are the legend and lore theories that don't actualy lend themselves to reasonable, quantifiable discussion by their very nature. You'll find yourself going around in circles very soon.

So what do we do with these things that Bilbo and others love so dearly? We aknowledge them, ask a few questions, marvel at them, but we don't beieve them entirely, and we certainly don't let them define all the other issues.

So, a bunch of businessmen get together, and suddenly its some big conspiracy? Sheesh. I have no problem with people meeting in secret to plan... whatever the heck they want... last time I checked, it was a free society and anyone can meet with anyone for any reason, as long as its not illegal. And in the US, a man (or group) is presumed innocent until EVIDENCE (back to that FACT thing again) is presented to show otherwise.

A lack of evidence is not evidence of anything... but I guess worrying about conspiracies keeps some folks out of trouble.

Heh, Theron, this is actually the Golden Thread of British Jurisprudence. We, in the commonwealth, had it first, nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah

OK, having got that out of my system... having the onus upon the accuser is simply a common-sense legal maxim. If accusations without proof stain anyone with even one iota of publicly perceived guilt, you've entered a witch-hunt system. Admittedly, this isn't a perfect world, and there are some crimes where even the accusation causes someone harm (such as child molestation or sexual harassment), which is why we have the possibility of civil suits to redress the harm you've done to someone. The problem is that even then you look like a villain ("This child's parents accused you of molesting him, and now you're suing them?!?! What kind of scum are you?") So perhaps the sanest course as responsible citizens is to weight the scale toward holding back from making serious accusations against other people or groups -- because the horrible thing about rumors is that once you start them, there's no way to stop them.

I find it very funny that it is the MASONS claiming that there is nothing wrong with people meeting in secret, actually I find it hilarious.
It is also funny you mention the commonwealth as we sure know the truth about that *LOL*
Good Noise MASONS keep up the good job of proving me wrong.
You sure make an effort in telling the public how far out I am I find it funny that you waste so much energy on a fruit basket like me.

Im loving it!

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

Nice post Qoe-whatever please clear it for errors so I can understand what you write.

So call me an anti Semite you obviously don�t know what that means because I have a problem according to your self with Russians and they are not Semites.
The Chinese government is not under Illuminati control because the 3rd world war is leading up to an invasion of china funny enough, but I wouldn�t be surprised if it was, the illuminated ones are famous for playing both sides.
But I thank you for your very constructive post!

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

[edit on 19-8-2004 by NeonHelmet]

look... 'anti-semitism' has been adopted by Jews everywhere to describe attcks (of any nature) on JEWS... not semetic peoples... we all know that semetic tribes existed all along n Africa and the middle east. So.. if your mother was to convert to judaism... and you beat her up for it (all very hypothetical y'hear) that could be called antisemetic, irrelivant of what kinda non-semetic f*kkin background she had...

the Khazars were never from the ethnic Rus, and i wouldnt start telling any turkic or caucasian peoples that they're russians... they dont like it very much...

Well geography isn�t my strongest subject but I would swear that the old Khazarian Empire is located in what is today called Russia, but hey what do I know I am just a fruit loop right?

Bilbo

We won't go there, NH. Just because I can agree with you on an issue doesn't mean I agree with everything you say. So, maybe applaud is too strong a word, hmmmm?

I'm not sneaking in, just walked right in like everyone else. lol

Why are you being adversarial? What I said in other threads in other times should not have any bearing with what you say today. I did not say that you never make any sense or that will never make sense ever in the future.

Originally posted by NeonHelmet
DontTreadOnMe I don�t believe you would applaud me, but I will amuse you with an answer, perhaps you shouldn�t come sneaking in after making statements as these.

... you also imply that all I do is read David Icke books or at least that is what I get from your final remark, am I wrong in that assumption?

That is one of Icke's conclusions. I would not assume you read only Icke, as I do not know what you have read.

I know you don�t believe anything I write so why you ask me puzzles me, but here goes I will expose the Bilderberg through this site and by doing research into this subject with fellow thinkers, much of the Bilderberg has already been put out in the light look at this site www.bilderberg.org already we know a lot about the people attending these meetings it tends to draw some attention to you when many top advisors and bankers meet up in a otherwise normal location.

I was genuinely wondering how you planned to get valid information on the Bilderbergs. I cannot say whether anything on the Internet could be taken a "proof" or "the truth" about the Bilderbergs. I tend to wonder how accurate this information is.
It is always interesting when top international advisors and bankers get together. Personally, I think the banks run the world. I don't think it is any more sinister than that...although that is plenty sinister for me.