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I see psychopathy/sociopathy as a new witch-hunt, as already stated above in this thread. Every time there is a "psyhopathy" thread on ATS (and this is not the first), it reaches double-digit page counts rapidly. It is clearly a topic that fascinates. But it is being used to target a certain element of society.

The target is the so-called "alpha male:" dynamic, sexually active, creative, cunning, resourceful, ruthless...in a word: effective. The people who actually get things done in any society. This is society's way of demonizing what used to be called "real men." There isn't much room for this personality type in the sanitized, streamlined, facebook'd, feminized, efficient cross-border world taking shape. So his head goes on the NWO chopping block.

reply to post by Jana12


There is a hard core that don't acknowledge anything is wrong. Yes some are in complete denial and I agree those people that are highly destructive to others should be prevented from making others lives a misery.

No it may not be in our lifetime but we can only hope that in the future there will be greater understanding of these conditions and what causes them. If not they will keep on going until caught and the so called 'functioning' ones will still be prevalent in a less destructive way but just always 'under the radar' in terms of not being criminal so much as emotionally destructive to others. Its a form of low level mental abuse that goes undetected for just long enough to start to bite, by which time a degree of damage is sadly already done.

reply to post by Jana12


You are so right! You can "leave" a sociopath, you must escape!

Your comment about his children is probably correct.

My ex sociopath had 2 children, a son and a daughter. One of the last times I saw my ex, his son spent the day with us...his son (who was 16 at the time) kept telling me how his dad was so superior...how his dad knew everything, how he was so smart, etc....Now, my children think the world of me...however, they don't think I know it all. The difference between my children's "respect" for me, and his son making him sound like he was a 'god'...was very disturbing.

His son almost sounded brainwashed that his dad was so superior, when in fact his dad had no emotional ability to connect on a 'normal', 'typical' level at all. Yet his son thought he was superior to a degree...another sociopath in the making?...possibly so.

Originally posted by m1991


Taoists would disagree with you, as would Christians. The meek really will inherit the Earth.

"Heaven and Earth are not humane."
-Lao Tse

Read the story of Chuang Chung (Taoist sage) and Genghis Khan's talks. Taoism does indeed accept a savage world, red in tooth and claw.

Originally posted by Jana12
reply to post by m1991

 

My guess is that you were never really close to and/or victimized by one of these deranged people. Am I right?

These emotional disorders may or may not be the result of brain damage -- but either way, there will be a cure for psychopathy/sociopathy when there's a cure for brain damage ... realistically, not at all likely.

They do not think there is anything wrong with themselves and they don't really care. They think others need to 'get fixed', not them. We can't fix what we don't acknowledge.

I say the real hard-core ones should all be behind bars and the others forced to live in highly supervised, guarded and gated, communal settings. They should not be walking amongst us. If that should ever happen, it sure won't be in my lifetime.

Thank goodness there are some really articulate, intelligent and well-hinged spokespeople - such as yourself - acting on behalf of the 'normal' folk.

See? I do have a sense of humour.

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Jana12
reply to post by m1991

 

They don't want to change.

Well it's better we force them to change, than to allow them to continue hurting others or merely punish them sadistically.

No one can be forced to have empathy or to feel empathy. Forcing an obese person to lose weight who doesn't want to lose weight OR forcing a smoker who doesn't want to to quit smoking is actually possible. But, forcing someone to feel something that they simply do not feel ... impossible. They lack the ability.

These people are emotionally detached. They view people who are emotionally connected and who have empathy as weaklings ... and that is who they tend to target.

Originally posted by trilogy111
reply to post by Jana12

 

There is a hard core that don't acknowledge anything is wrong. Yes some are in complete denial and I agree those people that are highly destructive to others should be prevented from making others lives a misery.

No it may not be in our lifetime but we can only hope that in the future there will be greater understanding of these conditions and what causes them. If not they will keep on going until caught and the so called 'functioning' ones will still be prevalent in a less destructive way but just always 'under the radar' in terms of not being criminal so much as emotionally destructive to others. Its a form of low level mental abuse that goes undetected for just long enough to start to bite, by which time a degree of damage is sadly already done.

Sweetheart, there are so many of these "types" who are in stealth mode...they are not "killers" of the physical body, but of the soul...you can spend time with them, and months or years down the road...the light will turn on as to what you are dealing with.

I do not wish this type on any individual -EVER. These people will suck you dry of any emotion you may have.

Once upon a time...I was the kind of person who stood my ground. I never put up with any mans sh*t. It was my way, or the high way.

The man I met in my late 30's changed that about me. He learned all my "triggers"..all my weaknesses...all my trigger points (so to speak)...when he was cheating...and I had a "sense" something was going on...the moment I questioned him...he turned it back on me.

He tried to say, I was questioning his honesty, because I was the one who was being deceptive. HARDLY! Yet he made me feel insecure...unsure of how to approach him. Uneasy asking for what I wanted out the relationship, etc.

NEVER in my life had I been in a relationship such as that one. I still look back, and wonder how the hell I allowed that man to blind me for so many years. I still have no idea.

I am so glad the blinders are off. I am free. I am ready to "heal" myself, move forward..and eventually start to meet others int he future. I don't want to jump into any thing with another person, before I am emotionally healed...

reply to post by summer5


Oh yes, the god complex ! God one minute, victim the next. Highly pedantic and egocentric. Sounds so typical, I think you are absolutely right with that one. In my experience they play god only when it suits them but when things go wrong its never their fault, its everyone else. They can't connect because they are the centre of the universe. Such a sad syndrome and one that in my opinion is genetic.

Originally posted by summer5
reply to post by Jana12

 

You are so right! You can "leave" a sociopath, you must escape!

Your comment about his children is probably correct.

My ex sociopath had 2 children, a son and a daughter. One of the last times I saw my ex, his son spent the day with us...his son (who was 16 at the time) kept telling me how his dad was so superior...how his dad knew everything, how he was so smart, etc....Now, my children think the world of me...however, they don't think I know it all. The difference between my children's "respect" for me, and his son making him sound like he was a 'god'...was very disturbing.

His son almost sounded brainwashed that his dad was so superior, when in fact his dad had no emotional ability to connect on a 'normal', 'typical' level at all. Yet his son thought he was superior to a degree...another sociopath in the making?...possibly so.

You were smart to get out of that relationship.

His son IS brainwashed -- that's what these people do.

It's your decision but IMO, if it were me, I would NOT ever allow my children anywhere around him or around his children ... ever. The risks far, far, far outweigh any benefit ... guaranteed.

reply to post by summer5

There must be so many people who have suffered at the hands of these characters, my heart goes out to them all. I think experiences like yours are far more prevalent than we realise because not everyone is brave enough to admit being on the receiving end.
Good for you that you are moving on from it and emerging a stronger person hopefully.

I remember I watched "Lilo & Stitch" and the alien made me laugh hard when he said "No! Crazy head!" lol. I don't know why that comes to mind right now.

There are many things that can drive a conscious being to those ends mang. Lack of experience perhaps. You would have to get the real picture. When you deal in facts and physical evidence you apply only a left brained, male way of looking at things. This sounds like something a psycho would say... Paranoid Schizophrenia. Everyone is crazy by definition. It started about 10,000-12,000 years ago. The human race is like a high powered machine racing itself toward it's own demise tight now....

Originally posted by m1991

Originally posted by Jana12
reply to post by m1991

 

They don't want to change.

Well it's better we force them to change, than to allow them to continue hurting others or merely punish them sadistically.

Oh, sounds like some people are going back to burning heretics, pagans, non believers, witch-doctors (Shamans), etc.

reply to post by Faiol


Well I think your numbers are off. All of the symptoms described by the OP are also the same as your average junky or drug addict.

this puts everything into perspective.

BUT there is also one thing people miss. the 90% of the 'people' who need to be told what to do.

so you have 4% sociopathic.
90% who do exactly what they are told.
6% free thinkers.

the problem is the 90% are so easily manipulated, there is war, death, and taxes.

it sucks for me, because im smart enough to realize stay away from the bad guys. i learned by 6th or 7th grade, AVOID bad guys at all costs to have a happy life. when someone is a pathological liar, i might keep them at arms distance and say 'hello how are you' but i never hang out with them.

but a super smart guy i met a few years ago told me about these sociopaths, and it just answered everything. also take note, that negative traits are INCREASED in small gene pools.

the bankers, internationalists, chozen, etc they all only breed amongst 'themselves.' (dont believe me, google MAPLE SYRUP URINE DISEASE to find out how negative traits and genetic problems occur in small gene pools.)

so there is a higher much higher 'chance' a sociopath will be born in small gene pools.

why do you think al g0re, klinton, etc their children MARRIED into banking clans? because they want to keep it all in the family, so to speak. but by doing so, they do keep the money close, but they keep those negaitve genetic traits close as well.

So what happens when these guys pop an ecstasy pill ? Do they walk around telling everyone they love them but dont really mean it?

psychopath and sociopath is not the same

even a quick search on wikipedia had this to say

Both personality disorders are the result of an interaction between genetic predispositions and environmental factors, but psychopathy leans towards the hereditary whereas sociopathy tends towards the environmental.

but i get what the OP is referring to and that is a "disorder", but id recommend a bit more research before talking about the mind or the brain ,

reply to post by Lansky


i d say a sociopath wouldent even pop the pill so to say and just take advantage of the situvation ,
much has to do with control,

reply to post by Faiol


I'm confused by the entire topic outlined because I thought psychopaths were considered psychopaths because they could not be predicted? The types outlined seem to be highly predictable. It sounds like those people outlined are the garden variety evil people.

Originally posted by trilogy111
reply to post by summer5

 

There must be so many people who have suffered at the hands of these characters, my heart goes out to them all. I think experiences like yours are far more prevalent than we realise because not everyone is brave enough to admit being on the receiving end.
Good for you that you are moving on from it and emerging a stronger person hopefully.

Thank you so much for your kind words. I must admit, it's not often (enough) that you hear someone giving you credit for being involved with, and moving on from one of these characters.

I was so ashamed of being on the receiving end of this type of relationship, until I learned that I was not alone (sadly).

There are so many men and woman out there who have been taken by a person who has no conscience, no remorse, no real empathy, no real emotions...when you finally realize that these type of people exist, and you look deep into their eyes...you see NOTHING.

When that "void" look looks back at you, you realize the person you loved, and you thought loved you back was just playing a game...you have to run.

It still haunts me that I was played. It still bothers me that I let a person like this get one over on me. I played into his games for 5 years. Every time I walked away, he was chasing after me - it must be love?...right?..why else would he pursue me? Pledge his undying love to me. You want to know why? Because I was a compassionate person. I gave him my heat and soul. I could not walk away feeling like I gave up on a person I thought that loved me. He said he did, but his actions did not back that up.

Once your head catches up with your heart...and that can take quite a while...but when it finally happens, you shut the door, and run like hell! Save yourself.

I had read flags in the first couple of weeks. I pushed them aside. I really liked him. I didn't see and pay attention to all the flags that were flying in my face. I thought I could "save him"...make him better..he had potential to be the man he 'wanted' to be. ...but he wasn't yet. He was in his 50's!

It's not my job to save him. It's not my job to teach him. It's not my place to wait for him to figure life out. While I was waiting (and hopeful), for 5 plus years, I wasted many missed opportunities. I can only blame myself now.

I am still working on healing. I am on my way, and almost there. I still have a ways to go...but one day I will be thankful that I made the journey, recovered, and continued on my way to finding a real relationship.

Originally posted by trilogy111
reply to post by summer5

 

Oh yes, the god complex ! God one minute, victim the next. Highly pedantic and egocentric. Sounds so typical, I think you are absolutely right with that one. In my experience they play god only when it suits them but when things go wrong its never their fault, its everyone else. They can't connect because they are the centre of the universe. Such a sad syndrome and one that in my opinion is genetic.

I agree. I think his dad is the same way. Probably where he got his traits from. His mom worships both him, and his father. She thinks he does no wrong.

His father was very disconnected. All he remembers from his childhood was his dad telling him not to humiliate him. His mom always said he was the "perfect" child...and even his mid-50's, in her eyes, he is still the "perfect" son. BARF!