The most amazing secret in our society - The answer to almost all your questions

Originally posted by BirdOfillOmen

Anyway, this is why I'm one of the few people to really believe in the whole Illuminati/NWO conspiracy. I really can see things (motives, strategies, power grabs) that most people can't.

edit on 8/14/2011 by BirdOfillOmen because: (no reason given)

I find total agreement with what this man is saying. It's the souless psychopaths that had me seeing past their
suit and tie along time ago. How can people not believe that the psychos, are running the MAD HOUSE ?

Now I want to do a thread.

reply to post by randyvs


exactly, they are running everything

otherwise, who in their healthy mind would allow these things that are happening on this planet right now

it doesnt make sense

yes i already knew all of this have you seen how things work for instance the genral populace beleives that killing is wrong so when ever it does happen around them they lose what little hold they have on the world their bubble pops and so does their head

you turn the corner there is an old man whos yelling the words help me and sounds in distress the younger man seems to be in a emotional state of crying and angry what do you do

just so every one know the ending of this story no matter what youv desides is the old man was touching the boys penis and the boy fought back but the cops came and arrested the boy because that man screamed words in tones saying help me like he realy needed it and sounded like he was weak and frail

most people are effected by word so much that they cant hear both sides of the argue ment with even with the freedom of speach people still take every word they hear litteraly


oh any only americans have the freedom of speach

Like some others have stated already and I also have to say that I tick all your boxes in the OP, but I wouldn't consider myself a Psychopath, not at all. Empathy, emotions these things are IMO learned as a child and when a kid has not necessarily a bad upbringing - but raised by a hard working, busy family, shown no love or tenderness for the first 10 years, then go on and realize he doesn't quite fit in with the rest for whatever the reason may be, they might sometimes by instinct shut down / lock up or create a natural barrier that's almost impossible to break down. I have some very early memories of realising I wasn't 'feeling' the way I ought to. So it was hard-wired by the time I was six I would say (mid 30's now)

I'll sit with good life-long friends and they're feeling down, the subject of their recently passed parents or whatever comes up, they're telling me things they want to get off their chest, things they can't tell anyone else but they feel they can tell me because I'll just nod and listen, which is what they want obviously. There's no chance that I'll actually try and make them feel better, but that's okay there's nothing wrong with that. I'm sure they have plenty of others that will fuss around them.

I would say it's perfectly feasible to have a normal everyday life without the baggage of emotions or empathy, but then I'd imagine everyone that is labelled a Psychopath has their own unique situation, one size does certainly not 'fit all'. I do have half a conscience and a fairly decent set of morals heading into the twilight of life, I'm not sad or depressed, I have a sense of humour - dark as it is but it's there nonetheless - which leads me to conclude that I am not a Psychopath, but simply incapable of processing 'care'.

reply to post by Faiol


Gee....yet another thread about Barack Obama?

2nd line.

reply to post by DCPatriot


yes, I mean, he is probably one


reply to post by Ramcheck


you need to understand

psychopaths are born psychopaths

is not the environment that makes them what they are

off course ,the environment can transform normal people, and they will have psychopaths features, BUT they can be fixed, if they find love, help ...

psychopaths cant be fixed, their brain is basically broken

reply to post by Faiol


Rubbish

This is what happened when you reject the notion of a sovereign and loving God.

It does not shock me in the slightest that more people are becoming Sociopaths today as they are being brought up in a material world view.

I also thinking all the fluoride aspartame and other stuff we are being poisoned with are contributing to this.

The elites are trying to turn everyone into Sociopaths or (they already are themselves)!

Fight this evil by coming to Christ Jesus your lord!

Wow, that is my sister, her son, and her oldest daughter!! I have none of those traits! I have been a victim to a bunch of those people. I mean, not feeling sorry for myself victim, I mean they are all around me, so I just basically stay to myself anymore, it's like I attract them!! Ohhh, scary! The total opposite to the descriptions! There are a lot of MPD's or DID's too! I recognize anymore, then I just stay away from them. Have a lot that live in this Apt. Complex too. I know how to avoid!! Thanks for the post, most interesting. I already deemed my sister that years ago and looked it up, printed it out for my Mom. My sister to a tee!!

Originally posted by Faiol
reply to post by DCPatriot

 

yes, I mean, he is probably one


reply to post by Ramcheck

 

you need to understand

psychopaths are born psychopaths

is not the environment that makes them what they are

off course ,the environment can transform normal people, and they will have psychopaths features, BUT they can be fixed, if they find love, help ...

psychopaths cant be fixed, their brain is basically broken

I'm sure there are people studying this now and looking into re-wiring the brain, personally I would not be interested, I can't see any advantage in having these feelings.

Originally posted by summer5
I was involved with a sociopath for 5 years. It took me a while to figure it out. He was the BEST liar I have ever encountered. When questioned (or felt backed against a wall), they will spin it back on you - projection they are masters at.

They mimic emotions. They don't love like typical people. They "act" like they have feelings (love) towards you. They mimic what you give them.

They feel no remorse or guilt. They will cheat, when/if confronted, they will lie and make you think you are insecure or imagining things.

They are takers. You will feel emotionally drained. You will give, and they will take all they can get from you.

They will make you feel sorry for them, they love to work off of pity.

Nothing is ever their fault. They are always the one who got screwed over, misunderstood, etc.

Life is a game to them. It's about "winning". They will tell you what they know you want to hear, just to get what they want.

If you are ever in a relationship that feels "off", you can't put your finger on what doesn't feel "right", RUN....run fast and far. They will try to suck you back in, OR just move on to the the next person they can deceive. Or they will move on (discard you), but when they can't find another person to buy their crap, they will go back to the one who they know they can manipulate. As long as they get adored, an ego stroke, some one to care about their daily life/world, they will keep you around.

If you know the way they work, the best piece of advice is LISTEN TO YOUR GUT! It will sense something isn't right...listen to it! Before it's too late!

You have described my ex off 5 years to a tee , apart from the fact she is a woman

reply to post by Ramcheck


what do you mean? you dont like anyone besides yourself? how is that good?

Originally posted by Faiol
reply to post by Ramcheck

 

what do you mean? you dont like anyone besides yourself? how is that good?

On the contrary, I have life-long friends as I mentioned - do I care for them? I care enough to be around them when they need me, I may have no idea how to help the situation - or maybe I do but don't wish to get involved - They won't get a hug or any physical contact, but just my presence seems to be enough which is great because that's pretty much all they'll get. Also, I didn't say that I cared about myself, I am aware of what I need to do to survive on a daily basis, to go through society unnoticed. That's really all I need to know.

I felt I had to make a post on this topic, as it hits relatively close to home.

Having matched myself up with the 5 traits or whatever, and watching the video, I can safely say that I'm a Sociopath. Of course, I've known this for a long time, after a number of failed relationships, manipulations, etc. As well as lengthy and, unfortunately, unsuccessful clinical treatment and psychiatric care. I'd like to clarify something though, especially for those of you who call someone afflicted by this "soulless" or "heartless". You need to understand that, as a Socio/Psychopath, you simply don't feel anything at all. It's not an active choice to hurt people, to lie, to deceive, it's really more of a need, a compulsion.

I think a less judgmental point of view would aid you greatly in understanding the plight of some of these people. I mean, I don't regard myself as evil, or soulless, and I go to great lengths to avoid hurting people. It takes a lot of effort, but I feel as though I've mastered myself, and the power this thing has over me. I don't think that this should be viewed apart or differently from any other mental illness.

The difference, in my opinion, is in choosing to master these impulses and not give into it. The scary thing is, I assure you I can "sweet talk" or "charm" anyone, hands down. I've had friends tell me this, that it sort of creeps them out, and while that isn't necessarily a compliment, it stands true. I agree that Sociopaths can do some real damage if they are given ground and practice, but judging all of us as though we're monsters just isn't fair. I didn't choose to be this way, I just am, and every day is a battle.

Thanks for your time, hopefully this post aids to the discussion and not to fan the flames of anger.

There's an excellent book about the psychology of these types of people called "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck M.D. although his treatment of the subject deals with the subtleties of human evil as a form of mental illness. According to Peck, who ran into a few of them as a practising Psychtherapist and Psychiatrist, they hurt people, including thier own children, for sport, but at an unconscious level, they do it as a compensation for the terror they constantly experience, not that that's an excuse.

If you're interested in this subject, I highly recommend it

Originally posted by QuantumEcho
I felt I had to make a post on this topic, as it hits relatively close to home.

Having matched myself up with the 5 traits or whatever, and watching the video, I can safely say that I'm a Sociopath. Of course, I've known this for a long time, after a number of failed relationships, manipulations, etc. As well as lengthy and, unfortunately, unsuccessful clinical treatment and psychiatric care. I'd like to clarify something though, especially for those of you who call someone afflicted by this "soulless" or "heartless". You need to understand that, as a Socio/Psychopath, you simply don't feel anything at all. It's not an active choice to hurt people, to lie, to deceive, it's really more of a need, a compulsion.

I think a less judgmental point of view would aid you greatly in understanding the plight of some of these people. I mean, I don't regard myself as evil, or soulless, and I go to great lengths to avoid hurting people. It takes a lot of effort, but I feel as though I've mastered myself, and the power this thing has over me. I don't think that this should be viewed apart or differently from any other mental illness.

The difference, in my opinion, is in choosing to master these impulses and not give into it. The scary thing is, I assure you I can "sweet talk" or "charm" anyone, hands down. I've had friends tell me this, that it sort of creeps them out, and while that isn't necessarily a compliment, it stands true. I agree that Sociopaths can do some real damage if they are given ground and practice, but judging all of us as though we're monsters just isn't fair. I didn't choose to be this way, I just am, and every day is a battle.

Thanks for your time, hopefully this post aids to the discussion and not to fan the flames of anger.

Absolutely everyone is different, it's a shame that society has a shortage of labels for everyone, or a shame that we have labels at all. Unfortunately there are intolerant people, there are intolerant societies, we also have people preaching their dodgy religious beliefs, these I would say are far more harmful to society than any Sociopath.

Welcome to ATS

This is an interesting OP. I just read one of the Gnostic texts and it outlines three types of souls in existence:

1. Spiritual beings who are bound for salvation.

2. Physical beings who are being refined for salvation.

3. Material beings who cannot attain salvation for any reason. They seem to be the group you refer to.

14. The Tripartition of Mankind

Mankind came to be in three essential types, the spiritual, the psychic, and the material, conforming to the triple disposition of the Logos, from which were brought forth the material ones and the psychic ones and the spiritual ones. Each of the three essential types is known by its fruit. And they were not known at first but only at the coming of the Savior, who shone upon the saints and revealed what each was.

The spiritual race, being like light from light and like spirit from spirit, when its head appeared, it ran toward him immediately. It immediately became a body of its head. It suddenly received knowledge in the revelation. The psychic race is like light from a fire, since it hesitated to accept knowledge of him who appeared to it. (It hesitated) even more to run toward him in faith. Rather, through a voice it was instructed, and this was sufficient, since it is not far from the hope according to the promise, since it received, so to speak as a pledge, the assurance of the things which were to be. The material race, however, is alien in every way; since it is dark, it shuns the shining of the light, because its appearance destroys it. And since it has not received its unity, it is something excessive and hateful toward the Lord at his revelation.

To me it just looks like yet another attempt to scapegoat something that has an experience biased. IE, you, not being the scapegoat, cannot physically imagine it, and the scapegoat cannot attempt to defend their reasons, because you, not being in their position, simply refuse to understand.

Sometimes, the heartless, ruthless, zero empathy way, is the only way to get the job done. That doesn't make them a psychopath. That makes them good at ignoring normal human reaction.


Please stop scapegoating. The world is a sh*t hole because you, the people, stood by and did nothing. You can only blame yourselves.

reply to post by Ramcheck


Thanks for the reply, I appreciate your tolerance and willingness to listen to the other side of the story.

Believe me when I say, I know the evils that can be perpetrated by individuals such as myself, because I've done some pretty terrible things on my own. I can acknowledge them as terrible, I can separate myself from the situation and understand what I've done, but it's impossible for me to feel remorse or pity. Does this make me a monster? I don't choose to behave this way, I simply don't understand what sympathy or remorse are. It's like speaking a different language to someone, and getting angry at them for not speaking your language.

I sought counseling, and treatment, and you'd be surprised at the psychological toll this can take on the sociopath. I think the remorse registers with me on a deeper, subconscious level, and it's kind of stored up. I suffer from the migraines, and I have nightmares, but I certainly don't actively choose to hurt people.

Again, I think restraint is the dividing agent here. If someone revels in their condition, they enjoy the "thrill of the hunt", then fine, condemn them for what they are if you will, because they choose to hurt others. But I won't be lumped into a category that I didn't choose to put myself into.

Thanks again for your support, and I'm glad to be aboard ATS.