The most amazing secret in our society - The answer to almost all your questions

Originally posted by Faiol
Around 4% of the world population, based on studies all over the world by credible organizations, are psychopaths. (it may be bigger, but thats what we know for sure) One in each 22 in the western society .

Are you sure it is not a typo? It sure looks like 1 in 2 and not 1 in 22.

I am not sure how else anyone can explain George W Bush receiving 52% vote in the 2004 elections.

Probably they do know it is 1 in 2, but pretend it is 1 in 22 in order to increase their readership; after all, eliminating half the population from a potential interest in the book is bad for business.

So psychopaths can buy the book, pretend it is some obscure 4% at the upper echelons of power and continue their ways.

Also the author advocates "leaving the psychopaths alone". Nice advice if the primary victims are in some far off places in the world and you can safely enjoy the benefits their actions abroad bring.

reply to post by CrastneyJPR


It all depends on how you define what makes a human being a human BEING. Sure we all share the same exterior physical morphology, but is not the human being as much or moreso the domain of personal experience or the interior of a person?

What the OP is saying is that there are people who walk among us who are not real people, just shells of people, who although they LOOK the same, are definitely not the same at all, and who's interior realm is alien to that which the rest of us experience.

It's probably a genetic or evolutionary quirk and a wiring issue in the emotional center of the brain. Problem is, their M.O. could make them very successful within a purely Darwinian framework..

Originally posted by WoundedByHonesty

Originally posted by Faiol
reply to post by mileysubet

 

LOL

The guy actually wrote a book, and he actually think psychopaths are a good thing to our society, and will help us evolve. He is not a loser whats so ever, the video is just informative on actually science applied on real life.

So, yeah, congrats, your 2 min analysis of the guy is what makes me not read this board anymore.

But whatever, there are always going to be someone hating.

Count me in amongst the haters. That guy really is a loser. Just because he wrote a book doesn't make him right. If you don't read the boards anymore why do you post?

I am just posting to help, since its an urgent matter, ... really, I dont read much of the board anymore, too much hate, and its tough, you post something in the board, and there are a lot of people trying to hate on it, instead of actually doing constructive criticism

the guy is a loser? lol, he didnt invent this, I just put his video, since, its good, and informative, but all the info in this thread you can find around scientific papers, thats whats its all based on!

reply to post by Xaberz


hum, I try you should try to talk with Thomas, from the links, he may help you, no idea about this

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by CrastneyJPR

 

It all depends on how you define what makes a human being a human BEING. Sure we all share the same exterior physical morphology, but is not the human being as much or moreso the domain of personal experience or the interior of a person?

What the OP is saying is that there are people who walk among us who are not real people, just shells of people, who although they LOOK the same, are definitely not the same at all, and who's interior realm is alien to that which the rest of us experience.

It's probably a genetic or evolutionary quirk and a wiring issue in the emotional center of the brain. Problem is, their M.O. could make them very successful within a purely Darwinian framework..

yeah, obviously my definition is not scientific (at least not yet), its more of a philosophical definition than anything else, again, yet

its probably genetic, but not yet proven, I would assume it had to be something like recessive genes, since, it doesnt transmit from parent to child, its random from what we've seen

reply to post by Faiol


Researchers in this field are looking at both genetics and bio-chemistry.

Genetics and biochem inbalances arising from the genetic = nature and bio-chem response to stimuli (life experience) = nurture.

We know already that continuous use of certain psychoactive substances can rewire the brain, sometimes permanently and in those people susceptible, bring about psychosis. So I think it highly unlikely that a similar pattern would not be present in the biochemical synapses of people who display psychotic tendencies.

In my opinion, monsters can be both born and made.

Originally posted by teapot
reply to post by Faiol

 

Researchers in this field are looking at both genetics and bio-chemistry.

Genetics and biochem inbalances arising from the genetic = nature and bio-chem response to stimuli (life experience) = nurture.

We know already that continuous use of certain psychoactive substances can rewire the brain, sometimes permanently and in those people susceptible, bring about psychosis. So I think it highly unlikely that a similar pattern would not be present in the biochemical synapses of people who display psychotic tendencies.

In my opinion, monsters can be both born and made.

Thanks for bringing that up. Certain substances can correct an imbalance. Not sure if there is any kind of chemical cure for psychopathy but of the several I have encountered most were drinkers, a couple did meth, but I can't think of any pot smokers.

I believe that might have been the case when psychopaths got hold of '___', those who could not face the stark reality coming at them when they suddenly had their emotions turned-on, they are the ones that jump out the window and take a plunge. '___' brings you face-to-face with yourself exposing a truth you have never seen or realized before.

Perhaps for the first time in their lives they experienced a conscience and did what they felt was right.

reply to post by teapot


but thats a fact

people can become monsters because of the environment

psychopaths are just born monsters =/

I have quite a few of these symptoms myself, and find it very difficult to empathise with most people outside my immediate family. Most people are totally alien to me. I do not particularly like most of them and I do not trust them. I would not, however, wish to harm them, dominate them or manipulate them. I'd simply rather not have anything to do with most people at all. I have a fairly strong sense of right and wrong, but some of the different emotions people have are just not something I can relate to. I find the average person just as scary as they would find a "psychopath", but as long as they do not tread on my toes, I'm not going to tread on theirs.

The only times I've ever used manipulation have been to get people I do not know or trust to stay out of my way.

Demonizing others as sub- or non- human probably says more about your own lack of humanity than anyone else's.

The more I look into the occult and Illuminati conspiracies, the more I think the "enlightenment" that everyone's after is the brain structure of a psychopath. Psychopathic people really do have differently shaped brains than everyone else, and you could bring this adaptation about through severe stress and psychological trauma. This change can be viewed as evolution. If you're in a horrible life situation- chances are good that its because of other people in your life walking over you. The part of your brain that makes you feel compassion switches off and also you begin to learn how to outsmart those who you are competing with. This would lead you to think in ways that are way above the average person's thinking patterns. You would then start to see the world in an entirely different way.

The apathy of typical Americans is exactly what the Elite are working for. They don't want competition. They want to keep this secret (suffering = personal evolution) to themselves. That is why they use Christianity to scare people away from the occult teachings. Christianity explicitly forbids dabbling into witchcraft and whatnot. There is some truth behind all of it, but its not what you would initially think. Its all a big metaphor for a more practical, real-world concept. Apathy is weakness and desire is strength. The world is being steered by the Elite because not enough people care enough to stop their agenda.

"Enlightenment" is the path of adapting your brain to get on the same level as the Elite/TPTB/Illuminati and realizing that there is always someone with higher authority than you secretly manipulating you.

reply to post by BirdOfillOmen


That's very interesting. Here in Europe, most people do not follow Christianity and so those who are into occultism or spiritualism can follow those paths without the same level of stigma as there might be in parts of America. On the other hand most people over here are agnostic or atheist so do not believe in the occult anyway. But I do wonder if the amount of religion in a society is proportional to the number of these malevolent psychopathic types.

Originally posted by NocturnalPhantom
Demonizing others as sub- or non- human probably says more about your own lack of humanity than anyone else's.

funny

defending criminals tells a lot about someone

I really dont appreciate people that like to defend criminals, I feel like these people are completely out of their minds, but thats my vision

what would you do if someone kills someone you love? imagine now, that they dont feel anything, they will never sleep thinking about what they did, its all business, would you change your mind, or you still think its part of what we are?

reply to post by Faiol

You are right. I've already changed my mind. The level of callousness shown by these people does make them something other than fully human, and their fully human status is stripped away by these people themselves through choosing their particular courses of action.

It's important, I think, to understand them, in order to defend against them, but they themselves ought not be defended. Those who choose to trample all over others for their own selfish gratification should face the moral consequences for their actions.

There is a system in human brain called mirror neuron system. This system fires off when a human performs some act and also when he sees others performing the same act. It acts like a small simulator of other minds. It is hypothesised to be the main part of brain responsible for feelings of empathy. There is evidence of a malfunction of this mirror neuron system present in psychopaths.

www.sciencedirect.com...

reply to post by Faiol


Yes, it is in both the wiring and rewiring. For instance, the English Hunt, now outlawed. I'm thinking of the process of initiating a child to the hunt, whereby the child is 'blooded', ie blood from the kill is smeared on the child's face. A shocking experience for anyone, sets off natural biochemical responses in the brain. This experience can permanently rewire the individual.

Some of the work being done looks at the relationship between certain genetic markers and the absence or overproduction of certain biochems and their impact in the neuro-receptors.

There was a time when the 'criminally insane', ie those with the YY chromosome marker, could use this 'medical' condition as a defence in law. It has now been established that the YY chromosome is not the only indicator and being as that the YY only shows up in biological men and as female psychopaths exist, it is not strictly a gender mutation.

Very interesting topic indeed.

Without getting too personal here, I thought I was a psychopath for a while. For a long time I was kind-of numb. I came out of a really difficult childhood and didn't really understand other people or their feelings. It was like watching exhibits performing and I kept trying to figure them out. I didn't feel part of the human race. My family encouraged this attitude of difference and I felt tremendous pain in my dealings with people that I kept trying to suppress. I knew I was different, I was somehow not behaving like they seemed to, and tried to hide behind a kind of mask so I could fit in. But you're never sure if the mask is really fooling anyone so it takes constant work. I did a lot of damage to myself, which hurt those around me. While I don't really think I targeted anyone for anything I was more distant than I wanted to be, I was seeking for a 'way in' to the rest of the human race. I remember being very interested in others perceptions of me as a way to try to figure out myself and present the correct mask for the situation. When you don't know what 'normal' is and you are expected to be it's like running on top of a heaving ocean. The thought of being a psychopath filled me with dread because I fundamentally didn't want to hurt anyone.

Gradually I began feel. I did a lot of therapy and it was like a dam bursting open. I found true empathy for others and experienced joy when others had joy and pain when they felt pain. It was like brilliant color had returned to a grey sterile world and I remembered it had been there long ago. I have a very rich emotional life now and feel immense love and connection with others in my life. When people cry I'm likely to burst into my own tears now and when they feel joy I often bubble up with my own, sometimes its hard to turn it off! With my peeps we feel warmth and laughter, connection and true love together, as well has the hard painful parts of life we work through. We share it now and I no longer feel apart. It took a while.

I want to share that we can be damaged by psychopaths in ways that make us into something like them, but you can recover and become human again. It wasn't until I dealt with some of my previous shiate that I found my human self down at the bottom of a deep well I had built to protect it. A pool of warmth and life existed there and I had to work to draw it up into the light. There is hope, and not all people who we think are psychopaths truly are, and these folks can be brought into the rest of the species

reply to post by Wertwog


Exactly the same here, I grew up in a neighbourhood that seemed to be full of them, and until I moved away I thought it was me and my family who were strange and they who were normal. I tried to be like them for a time because I thought that's what you had to be to get on, but I just couldn't bring myself to treat people like that. But it's left me very untrusting of most people in general. Mind you, it doesn't help that I am a bit of a grumpy sod by nature, but yes, you can find your humanity in there somewhere. We should never let the b'stards rob us of that.

reply to post by Wertwog


exactly

good to know you are well

people can be damaged and act like psychopaths, but as stated, they can be recovered

reply to post by Wertwog

Thanks for your insight. That's why I don't want children to visit this site. Even the insightful people have a lot of problems, children should not be confronted with. The more, if they don't even speak thea language properly.

Maybe we should put an 18 plus freely here. At least this is not a family oriented site.

reply to post by Observor

Are you sure it is not a typo? It sure looks like 1 in 2 and not 1 in 22.

I am not sure how else anyone can explain George W Bush receiving 52% vote in the 2004 elections.

Probably they do know it is 1 in 2, but pretend it is 1 in 22 in order to increase their readership; after all, eliminating half the population from a potential interest in the book is bad for business.

I have been saying this in other threads about this same subject. For those of you who've been relegated to living in rental apartment, how many of you ever had a --Landlord-- who had empathy and mercy? All mine were a bunch of hard hearted greedy hard as**s. My last one before my present one, put a young guy and his pet out on the sidewalk in front of the building, with his furniture, for no rent. They are -all- business. I am sad to admit that one of my brothers is one. He was renting a house to my senior mom and her (my grandmom) dying mom, and he kept raising the house rent and then getting drunk then come there and be threatening to them. My sister got them out of there to a much better life. Well, we all remember when we were in junior high, and he would use young ladies like toilet paper, they'd come crying to our door, and one longer term girlfriend, he brought to the home and berated her infront of everyone calling her a cow, but she was Hollywood-beautiful. One time when him and I were young kids alone, he put me on my back and decided to repeatedly puch my face in, for no reason. He was like this as far back as I can remember.
I myself had (interractions) with a few entities back in the 1990's, who were --wickedly-- socio, Oh My God. It made me suicidal. It wrecked my life for awhile.
HERE IS SOMETHING CONTROVERSIAL: (You've been warned.....)
I have been wanting to get this off my chest for the longest.
I have been "into" ....UFOlogy..... for a very long time, and my experience, is that it attracts the psych/socios. My very WORST experiences with human beings, had been with the people drawn in to this field. I NEVER encountered/known of one, who was NOT like this:> "I don't care how your experience effected you, I don't care how fragile you might be, what is your da** evidence for me(us) that we can herald and tout. But lead, follow, or get the h** out of the way. " < That is not a quote from someone, it IS a mass attitude which has been crystal CLEARLY conveyed to me, in ways over times. But these cold blooded humanoids never stop to think that ufology is NOT just the phenomenon and it's "evidence", it's PEOPLE too, and how they have been effected. Even Whitley Strieber said, (this was abouts back in 1990) they "are the nastiest craziest people I have ever encountered."

Just wanted to add one little correction. Psychopaths do have CONSCIOUSNESS, but they don't have a CONSCIENCE, which is what i think you meant. They inflict pain upon others just for pleasure. The pleasure they recieve comes from being in control and having power over the victim.