Aliens = Nephilim (Demons)

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by annella

 

Nope i am not holyunclean, and i don't see why i should search through pages of threads before starting my own.

Maybe he was banned because some people didn't want the truth being out there.

And i thought flags were for people who agreed with you, as it makes the thread go to the front page?

edit on 13-8-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

You SHOULD use the search function before starting a thread. I just entered Demons Aliens in said search function and got many hits.
And the other thread starter is called HolyANDclean...lol, Im sure he would not want an un in that mix.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


I have done research and I have put thought into these ideas. I have been doing so for about 30 years.

Editorially, I think it undermines your effort by using a fake photo...immediately calls into question your proposal.

Likewise, I could show multiple photos and validations of my interpretations by people with more degrees than a thermomator...but there are already countless threads here at ATS that have run over this familiar path, and do a much better job at it than I ever could.

As for the Greys being evil... I don't buy it. Maybe "heartless" and "cold"...but if you step back and look at what they have been recorded as doing...it strikes me that they are being scientific.

They interact and insert themselves very little into our world...they are usually "observing"...taking samples... be they physical, sexually reproductive, genetic.... of flora and fauna. In fact, if you use an analogy of Greys to humans are likened to Humans to Animals or Insects...it would be very similar in interaction.

Although ominous and unsettling...their activities in this world seem purely scientific. As much so as a human scientist is ominous and unsetting to a den of ground hogs, prairie dogs, or a school of fish.... we watch them, we abduct them and mark them for tracking, we physically examine them..inside and out, we take samples, we cut them open and study their anatomy, and when we are done...we return them...I bet they are messed up too...see a human and run in the other direction as fast as they can.

So, I don't doubt Greys being advanced and maybe they are doing to us what we do to turtles and cats and fish and birds and...

you get the point.

Whether you believe me or not is of no importance to me. I have no need for others to believe what i believe, i just offer a different viepoint which i have found to be more true that what you are presenting me with. Take what you want (if anything) from it.

But i must thank you for one thing which has given me insight into something which has been confusing me for some time. As to how can people do such horrors on this world with a conscience.

Thanks, but you just made a self defeating argument, without God its not possible for you to even have a conscience. i find personally nothing contradictory in the bible, only when taken out of context.

It is only self-defeating if you make the assumption that i do not believe in a divine Beingness (which you call God). I too find the conscience as evidence of something greater than myself. Of a state of being-ness which is more perfect, more divine than my current self.

The insight you gave me (and this is most defintly NOT aimed at anyone, least of all you, i just want to share it) was that allowing one's conscience to be defined outside of ones self negates ALL personal responsibility, and it is this direction in thinking which gives rise to the psycopath. It had not even occoured to me that someone would want to do that to themselves or another but it explains a lot of behaviours i could not fully understand.

There is more but it would be taken out of context and would be seen as an attempt to derail this thread.

Thank you for the post OP. I'm sorry to see the move of category though.

The idea of demons is almost impossible for many people to accept, yet many of these same people know that evil exists or that darkness exists. The ones who absolutely, categorically, think that there is no such thing as good and evil will never accept your thread premise.

I started with researching the NWO, Council of Rome, UFOs. The underlying pattern that I saw was one of evil intentions.
1. The purposeful destruction of economies.
2. The statement that "Mother Gaia" needs to depopulate by 90%.
3. The purposeful destruction of nature by Genetic modification.
4. The destruction of societal values.
5. The use of weapons to destroy life.
6. The use of occult numbers to deliver sacrifices.
Etc.

After adding it all up... And letting time pass... I simply realised that all of these hurtful and negative actions were being done AGAINST humanity. And not simply by some group who wanted the planet to themselves, but by a group who must have pure evil in their hearts.

And so the whole alien thing made sense finally after that realisation. We carry His spirit, we are His Children. And therefore there IS something trying to take that away from us.

I do therefore agree that demons/evil/darkness is behind what's going on.

Question for you though. How do you think it it will play out? Do you think they'll use an invasion sort of scenerio making everyone believe they are Jesus? I was confused about that part of your statement... Thanks

reply to post by AlreadyGone


Well i guess an atheist such as yourself would have a hard time believing these were demonic. That's ok though, it is not my fault if you think torture and fear is a scientific method. The difference between turtles and cats and fish and birds is that they do not have souls... humans do and that's what makes it WRONG.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Good observations that is pretty much the same steps i followed... i believe it will play out like this.

The Anti-Christ will disclose the 'existence' of "aliens" publicly to the nation.

A fake alien invasion will follow.

Around that time people will be made to accept the mark of the beast.

After this happens Jesus will return and they will pronounce him to be some type of "alien leader" here to destroy humanity.

People will believe he's an alien because they will be deceived into thinking aliens write the bible.

Then Jesus will save those who believed in him and destroy those who accepted the mark and thought he was an alien, the anti-Christ will then be defeated.

I'm not sure it will happen in this exact order, but i am certain Jesus will return following the fake alien invasion thing.

I believe this to happen within the next 5 years.

Hope that helps.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by AlreadyGone

 

Well i guess an atheist such as yourself would have a hard time believing these were demonic. That's ok though, it is not my fault if you think torture and fear is a scientific method. The difference between turtles and cats and fish and birds is that they do not have souls... humans do and that's what makes it WRONG.

edit on 13-8-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

That's a hell of a statement to make. Torture and fear came from religion. In fact I'll go so far to say the religion is Fear!! You will abide by God's rules or you will go to hell. That is fear mongering at it's best!!

And another thing. It is unjust for you to say that animals do not have souls. Did 'God' say that? When I was young I was a Christian. I don't remember the bible saying creatures that were apparently created by God have no souls.

Now that I have grown up I am now a non believer. But that is not the point. I believe like a lot of people do we all have concious energy which is like a soul. Animals do too. Don't be so ignorant to think only humans have a soul!!

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


I've heard people insist the book of Enoch shows that "angels" are infact the Nephilim/Aliens and now aliens are demons - ROFL.

To be honest I'm tired of the "aliens are demons" theory. Religious people blame everything or explain everything they don't like as the Devil's work.

It's more like, demons are aliens.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Yep, pretty similar to what I was thinking.

You know, at the very least, a thread like this may make some people aware. I know that I once read posts that said they were demons and I just laughed. What changed? Realising that most everything that I believed in has been manufactured - a lie. And they are so blatant - and I still didn't see it because I bought into the "self" concept. Anyhow, I do understand now, have completely apologised to our Lord and Father, and hope to someday be worthy of seeing Jesus Christ return.

The following excerpt explains simply the spirit/Spirit concept and may help those that are interested in the topic, but unsure....

"The Bible says that there are three heavens. The first heaven is our atmosphere or sky. The second heaven is where the powers of the air dwell, that is, Satan and his ranks of demons called "the powers of the air" (see Ephesians). The third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2) is where the throne of our God is, with His angels and the saints in Christ.

The second and third heaven are spiritual, while the first heaven or sky and its contents, the Earth, are material. But in this material world, spirit can operate. Human beings are spirit protected by a material body. The earth and all that is in it were created by a Spirit. (God is a Spirit, John 4:24)

Reports have been made of people attempting to photograph UFOs which they have seen to no avail:  the developed photos revealed no UFOs. Inversely, people have reported taking photos with no UFO in sight, and a UFO appears in the developed photo. This happens because the UFOs are intrinsically spirit and not matter, although they do "materialize".
www.jesusthedeliverer.org...

It seems that when the heavens "are bent", that is, when the spiritual realm touches the material realm, a cloud, or what appears to be a cloud, is formed, and some thing or some being is either going to or coming from one realm or dimension to the other (physical to spiritual or vice versa). So, not only can God move from one realm to the other, but also UFOs. Being spirit they are exempt from our physical laws, save for manipulating them."

Thanks again

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Yikes!!! There is no hope for this world. The created Religions have a powerful hold on the weak minded!!

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


They made a point, just one time in the movie Cowboys & Aliens to call the aliens "demons."

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Here we go again. Another "follower of Christ" claiming all aliens ET Beings) are demons, and he has many bible quotes to prove this beyond doubt. Did you happen to think to look in the Religious threads, and see is anyone else tried this before? (Many have.)

Really???? UFO Sightings/reporting have been going on through the centuries. Even going far back as 29,000 years ago, why would these things be planning to deceive the world for over 2000 years and now execute their "plan" now? It doesnt make sense. Also where is the proof that Demons (which are SPIRITUAL) can do some Transformer shhh and manifest into Aliens and even Alien Spacecraft? Well the answer simply is that there is none. Other a few nice coincidences there is no substantial proof for these ET's being Demons from hell.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Great post. But I must warn you, this will be immediately rejected by the UFO community. Any attempt whatsoever to portray the aliens as anything other than "Our space brothers here to show us enlightenment" will be soundly rejected immediately.

My guess is your thread was moved from the Aliens forum even though it specifically addresses ALIENS, correct?

Well, according to some stories, grays have been killed. It's nice to know I can kill a demon. I also suppose demons have spaceship building factories.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration


Thankfully you are wrong again. I am a Christian. I know Jesus and am a believer in God and I read the Bible.... apparantly more than you do.

Further, when I read something...including the posts...I try to digest what they say... instead of making sweeping generalizations.

I am also open to the idea that I might be wrong...in this instance I am not.

Do you really believe that humans are the only beings with souls.... or that there is no other life in the universe? Even in the KJV Bible or any other version, it clearly states there will be animals in Heaven.... for the lion will lie down with the lamb.... heaven will be on earth, for heaven is where God is...and in Revelation he comes down with the New Jerusalem to earth...

I find it offensive that you assume I am athiests...you can read many of my responses here at ATS to see I am a Christian. Further, the attitude and tone in your responses is as damaging as using forged and fake photos to try and validate your OP... both your argument and your faith come across as manufactured.

Remember, soul or not...what ye do unto the least of these ye also do unto Me. That applies to all of God's creations...

Your dogged determination of faith only drives unbelievers away. We are to be "fishers of men"...looks as though you are using a brick for bait.

Anyway, good luck in your journey...hopefully time and knowledge and faith will soften your tone.

Here is a mind bender for ya....
Angels=aliens
I think every angel story in the bible pretty much equates to a modern day contactee story!
Heck angel/aliens even led moses and his followers into the promised land.
You could replace every mention of angels in the bible with the word alien, and every mention of a pillar of fire in the sky, or a chariot of fire, with UFO and it would make more sense to me!

reply to post by Htrowklis82


Ya know, I see your point. In fact as I was reading the OP...the criteria for abduction and possession used by the OP...could be applied to Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Ezekiel, Elija, Elisha, Daniel, Mary, Paul, John, and so on.

That is my point...the premise as presented is askew.

I am a Christian and my faith only grows...as does my studies. Jesus said that "...in my Father's house are many mansions."

This can be interpreted literally, but I also know that scripture works on many levels...literal, metaphorical, symbolic...as such, I believe that Jesus meant there are many planes of existence in our universe. I believe science, history, archeology all support the Bible...and I believe science validates many levels of existence.... including alien life.

That is not to say all alien life forms are bad nor good...not all men are bad or good. We can judge a tree by the fruit it bears.

If you read the accounts of Ezekiel..or that Elijah went up into the heavens on a wheel... one could make the case that there are some good aliens/ angels/ dimensional beings... or that God rides a spiritual craft with wheels and fire and a humming noise that causes backdrafts that looks like bronze...which means that God and the angels ride craft...which means that not all creatures that ride craft are bad...which means that some that ride craft are good...which Biblically shoots holes in the premise of the OP.

I magine the New Jerusalem of the Book of revelation...a massive city 4 square coming down to earth... and landing....in my mind it would look similar to the "mothership" landing in Close Encounters...

Just a thought....Do we really thibnk that God only loves the human race? In the entirity of the world, the oceans, the heavens...do we think God only offers salvation to humans....

Animals are not as smart as people ...at least not most of the time. But I do know animals are not as dumb as some claim. If they were smart enough to bow to Jesus at his birth...if they were smart enough to abide by God as they gathered to be put on the Ark of Noah...surely, they respect God. As such, they recognize His omnipotence and who He is... which means they see what even some humans do not see... and if God loves the birds of the field enough to feed them...and loves the lillies of the field enough to cloth them in wonderous blossoms... and to save them from a flood...likewise God would save them in the end.

Religion follows way too many pseudo scientific beliefs.
This thread flunks basic science in favor of stone age beliefs that that have nothing to stand on but fear of the unknown.
Why is so easy for some to fall for the supernatural?

If we're capable of conjuring up terrifying monsters in childhood, why shouldn't some of us, at least on occasion, be able to fantasize something similar, something truly horrifying, a shared delusion, as adults? [Carl Sagan, The Demon Haunted World, p. 109]

This book should be on everyone's shelf. It should be required reading before kids can graduate from high school (and for adults before they decide to raise their children up in any given religion).
Book pdf

We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.

Wake up people the natural universe is infinitely more interesting then stone age philosophy or so called new age bs.