New ATS Survey: UFOs and Extraterrestrials

reply to post by feather3socks


Yes, that's the reason I did not take the survey. The questions were skewed and did not have an I don't know option. I canceled it.

Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Ok we know 2 people with great credentials believe this but it doesnt make the theory any less flawed.

Why is it flawed? And why should I accept your explanation over two giants in the community??

you people could complain about a rainbow...

Originally posted by Kali74
you people could complain about a rainbow...

they are rather fleeting and rare I mean they could hang around a little longer and let us admire them a bit more...is that too much to ask

reply to post by iforget


star for you

Originally posted by Kali74
you people could complain about a rainbow...

What do you mean by "you people"??

Originally posted by Enlightenme1111
Yes, that's the reason I did not take the survey. The questions were skewed and did not have an I don't know option. I canceled it.

You appear to be in the minority.

This is the most-active survey we've introduced so far, with slightly more than 6,000 complete responses as of this post.

Its my opinion that the question:

If you believe in the existence of extraterrestrials, which of the following do you feel represents the most significant harm to the perceived credibility of UFOlogy and the ultimate disclosure of extraterrestrial intelligence?

needed an answer regarding government cover up.

If there are extraterrestrials secretly coming to this planet then there are obviously strong efforts by our governments to conceal it. Attacks on credibility would be a key defense for this secret. It may not be as obvious as saying an individual hoaxer or media harms credibility, but it has to be a routine government measure for controlling public opinion. I don't like the term "disinfo agent", but that's what it amounts to.

This is probably going to be the most popular survey yet. More conspiracy based surveys are the way to go.

For the record I voted that "few" UFO's are real and "few" are experimental aircraft. That being said, a few means some, so anything more than 0% means we're not alone.

this poll and plenty other should include a specific "i dont know" answer.

my replies pretty much reflect my stance on this subject wich is sitting on the fence.

but i have no doubts the biggest threat to the alien cause are the believers themselves.

thoso who think just because that dog is black then all dogs must be black too.

the simplest way to make "friends" in ats is to make a "i saw this in the sky and i cant explain it" thread

some will just reply to share their own story, like its an AA meeting..
or to display their extensive knowledge of alien races.

i guess the truth is out there

trustno1


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One of the main things is how aliens have been portrayed to us through hollywood.I'm sure people's imaginations will be running wild!

All that's stopping us from actually being afraid is that we don't really know if they do exist.I mean yeah we have seen the videos and the ancient artifacts but we still aren't sure.It's one thing to talk about it but it's another to actually know.

It would definitely shake a lot people's faith.


Just think about for a minute here.Let's say Obama announces aliens exist.What's the first thing people are going to think?They're going to remember watching War of the worlds and start crapping their pants,that's what!

I always wanted to know if Aliens existed,but I'm kind of glad I'm not really sure.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


Whoa! Great survey skeptic! Super looking forward to the results. Cheers!

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


This survey is seriously lacking some good questions. Who cares what someone thonks about a sighting! I want to know the percentage of people on ats believe in aliens, what races, contact and abductees!

There should be a no opinion choice on several of these questions if you don't want maybe this or maybe that answers in my opinion.

As is, I had no opinion on several questions but was forced to pick something else. Maybe I could have skipped the question but decided to click on something anyway since many people design information collection forms where you have no choice but to go back and pick something. I did not read anything up front about being able to skip questions but in hind site I wish I had tried.

I don't read the UFO sections that often. I may not be the only one though. I just happen to speak up about it.

Originally posted by xynephadyn
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

This survey is seriously lacking some good questions. Who cares what someone thonks about a sighting! I want to know the percentage of people on ats believe in aliens, what races, contact and abductees!

Maybe SO can hook us up with another follow up survey that covers these topics. They did send out a PM asking for ideas, so PM them with your idea.

Surveying is a good idea and we don't do enough of it here at ATS. However, the survey suffers from the same "tunnel visioned" approach to UFO sightings by classifying them as one of only three choices: 1) alien, 2) non-alien terrestrial defense technologies, or 3) hoaxes. The latter is not really an option since the survey is clearly fishing for one of the other two choices with leanings towards "alien".

Here are some simple facts:

1) Hoaxes exist.

2) People frequently mistake or incorrectly label: a) natural phenomena, b) hoaxes, or c) man-made technologies for "alien visitors".

3) Western society and particularily US society has allowed Hollywood and the publishing industry to fuel mental speculation and belief in the thought that aliens do exist and are frequent visitors. Opportunits jump on that band wagon to make money off of the UFO believing, alien supporting community.

4) Speculation that aliens really exist is also fueled by our growing reliance on advanced man-made technologies.

5) No one has ever produced a valid and unbiased solidly designed and academic oriented research study linking all of the paranormal phenomena we experience (including UFO alien visitors) into one large examination of the truly "unexplained". If we did evidence would mount that there are valid "unexplained phenomena" that actually have linked characteristics that transend the entire scope of the unexplained but are scientifically present and real (like the fact that magnetic fields fluctuate in both so-called alien encounters and ghost encounters).

6) The UFO community has defaulted to the belief in aliens because they cannot accept any other reality and have no other explanation on hand for lack of a more robust scientifically oriented exploration of the truely unexplained.

7) Known science has repeatedly shown that alien travel from one dimension or from one star system to another, including the flight patterns of some (but not all) so-called "alien UFO's" defy known physics and would kill any living thing no matter what it was in the process.

I have worked in the US Federal Government at high levels. I can tell you a portion of the unexplained sightings that are not hoaxes and which are not incorrectly identified natural phenomena are mis-identified sightings of man-made technologies, both defense oriented and non-defense oriented. Some of what people see are in fact advanced weapons technology. For example, while anti-gravity technology doesn't fully exist, "gravity assist" technology that aids in lift does exist and is and has been experimented with for some time now. This is public knowledge and even science and technology magazines report this from time to time.

In my experience, what the government is hiding is not the fact that they know aliens exist. Instead, what they are hiding is the fact that they are aware that a percentage of so called "alien encounters" are in fact a mystery even to them and that they cannot explain it or defend against it. They don't want you to know that they can not defend you from the unknown that actually appears in unexplained phenomena. The cover up is that they want you to believe in aliens because its better than telling you that they cannot explain what "those intelligent things" really are or where they come from. The so called "cover up" is also useful in hiding defense weapons testing of techologies they don't want other nations to have access to (including partner nations). To be honest, they don't do much to fuel it because the alien believing UFO community believes it anyway without much proding.

Are we being "visited" - yes. By what? No one (even the government) knows for sure. How often? Sometimes, but not everywhere all at once and not as much as we think we experience. What we have is not so much "visitations" by unknown intelligence. Rather, we have an intelligent presence in our midst that happens to co-habitate with us and that has been present since the dawn of time. They are indiginous but unexplainable in the full sense.

That's actually more scary than aliens invading as Hollywood would portray. That's why the government doesn't explain it or disclose it. Imagine if the governments of the world were to announce that aliens do not exist, and the fact that we believe they do is in fact a mis-classification of a real phenomena which is even more unexplainable and defys our collective abilities to shape, influence, interact consitently, or defend against what is an unknown indiginous intelligence that escapes our grasp and comprehension. Just like us, they don't know how to explain it so they don't.

i have been lurking on this site now for a few months. the main reason i came here is because of my interest in ufos. but imo when you really break it down- ufos have been in the modern era since kenneth arnold over 70 years ago, and we (the public) have no tangible evidence. there is hearsay from credible sources, and of course the phoenix lights which i personally dont believe have been debunked. other than that, nothing serious. i dont mean to be mean or negative, but i feel since i have been here, the ufo forum has been bunk! ats interview w stanton? bunk! and i have a lot of respect for that man. someone posted a southern american documentary a few weeks ago that aroused a lot of the more jaded ufo crowds interest. other than that, blurry dots...i honestly thought when i logged onto a site that's name is "above top secret" there would be inside info (black ops, cia, naval intel, etc) please dont get me wrong, i love so much of the content and discussions on this site, but i once again i feel the ufo forum, from the majority of what i have seen, has been very disappointing. it makes me want to scream _ or get the _ out #rulesoftheinternet (lol)

I joined ATS because of this survey. The question was about the Phoenix lights. Bear in mind, I believe we have been and continue to be visited by ET's. But, I was in Yuma that night. I was on watch, working as a weather forecaster for the U.S. Marine Corps, on Yuma MCAS. It was flares. I love to watch all the UFO shows on TV, but as soon as they start with the Phoenix lights, I have to turn it. They never show all the footage, especially the footage that was on the news that night, that showed them all coming on, then going out (they coincidently lasted about as long as a flare), dripping, you could even see the parachutes in some of the footage they showed.....very annoying to me. That one show with the three guys that go around investigating...UFO hunters maybe, I used to really respect that show until they totally blew the Phoenix lights. We were laughing about it in the base ops building that night....and people think they saw a craft...unreal what the mind can invent.
Sorry for the rant from the newbie...just had to get it off my chest.

Agreed - Phoenix Lights are nothing but one more example of military activity mis-identified. As mentioned, these are military flares and in the films, if they are shown in full length and also in close-up, clearly show the flares hanging from parachutes.

This is another example of what I have said in my previous post that much of what is seen is military or defense related events not disclosed to the public for all shorts of really normal reasons.