New ATS Survey: UFOs and Extraterrestrials

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I would expect a strong ET presence in the poll.
Sympathy for the ET is great.
However unfounded.

Are you willing to explain to me why you think that that is unfounded?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


one thing i think could be used in your poll is
are ets earths original beings that created mankind
as a means to keep their species alive and able
sustain their numbers

just thought id throw that out there

what do you think ?

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I would expect a strong ET presence in the poll.
Sympathy for the ET is great.
However unfounded.

Are you willing to explain to me why you think that that is unfounded?

We have seen ships but no ETs or the ship pilots.
Saucer pilots were trained in New Mexico in the days after Operation Paperclip.
And Roswell stationed many of the workers according to Lyne and
I would suppose the need for an ET explanation for the saucers flying
around was the best hoax with a purpose they could come up with.
Put a Big Lie in the papers that we still have today with the help of agents.
Big Lies remain forever unless you figure out why.
Well thats the why of the Big Lie of ETs and Roswell.

ET presence in the poll for sure.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi
In relation to this question:

Which of the following do you feel represents the most significant harm to the perceived credibility of UFOlogy and the ultimate disclosure of extraterrestrial intelligence

has anyone proved that there is any extraterrestrial intelligence TO BE disclosed?

I look forward to reading the results of the survey.

All the best,

Isaac

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as a member of the ground crew for our cosmic brothers and sisters i will say i love you and yes we do exist....proof is inside of you

DNA

Thoughts

Intuition or connection to God/Higher self


ALL shall be known in due time


i love you very much


thank you


namaste

reply to post by SkepticOverlord
Excellent thread, Skep. Great questions, well put, but only ONE option per question. Damn it! lol

Which of the following do you feel represents the most significant harm to the perceived credibility of UFOlogy and the ultimate disclosure of extraterrestrial intelligence

Extraterrestrials are usually always made out to be hostile, or comical - like in many sci-fi films. That's e.g. due to fear of the unknown, colonial guilt, and to draw attention away from the true purpose of the aliens. That's usually highly evolved beings monitoring us, and may not interfere.

People believe in life on other planets because they know there's something better out there, some higher form of civilisation, where the human spirit can soar free and untrammeled, where life has real meaning.

It's much like people saying 'Beam me up Scotty'.

I've always believed in them, and wondered where do people come with the silly belief that Earth is the only planet with life on it.

You really didn't offer an option to consider bluebeam for some of the questions, that or the possibility(as some advocate) that extraterrestrials are actually fallen angels/demons, whatever. I would like to have seen the responses to those options.

reply to post by SkepticOverlord

There should have been two more answers to the questions added, entities, and portals from another dimension.

Poll completed. But...

It is about as vanilla as we could get for questions. I would like a deeper thought process for the poll.

Either the UFO situation is not real, in which case we have only ourselves to consider for the madness, or it is real, and we all need to put every effort into the study for understanding.

Many of us know the subject of UFO/Aliens are real beyond any doubt. Experience being the arbiter of such a determination. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of experiencers. If all are not true, then we have a bigger problem than an alien invasion. We have a world population going mad, and I don't know about you, but I would not want to be on that bus with that crowd barreling down the freeway of civilization.

The evidence, yes, EVIDENCE is clear. For all to see. Despite the "Crazy Water" sign on the drinking fountain of solid information.

But the most fundamental questions are yet to be framed all in one place.

Are these experiences real, or a collective madness?

If the phenomena is real, then, many, many questions need be asked.

Are they extraterrestrial? Dimensional protrusions, or something even further outside our understanding?

If the universe is filled with other intelligent beings, don't they all have different agenda?

How many completely new technologies could be represented?

If we are not intelligent in comparison to space-faring beings, what is our fate? Are we doomed by ignorance?

Should we hide, can we hide from such intelligence?

But questions for a poll must be framed differently for clear choices. Can that be done when we don't clearly know the nature of such beings and realities?

There are some better questions, but they need to be brought down to simple choices.

ZG

Another question for the poll being . Should any and all space agencies who have images beyond earths atmosphere provide true unaltered images ?

Because there are thousands if not millions of people around the world that are so peed because of the altered images the agencies have provided as true . The debunkers would have nothing to do then but get with the real program finally and perhaps eat some crow along the way .

reply to post by troubleshooter


These are more probable but still unscientifically provable theories than "alien visitations". Again, much research has shown that life forms cannot travel through space and survive even if they were in some sort of worm hole or bridge that warped space and made travel less lengthy. This is coupled with the impossible physics of the enormous amount of energy that it would take to speed up that travel regardless of whether a bridge existed in the space time continuum. The facts remain that a phenomenon exists and that it is more indiginous and earth bound than aliens from outer space - but it still remains a mystery and has been for thousands upon thousands of years.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

Originally posted by spacevisitor

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I would expect a strong ET presence in the poll.
Sympathy for the ET is great.
However unfounded.

Are you willing to explain to me why you think that that is unfounded?

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
We have seen ships but no ETs or the ship pilots.

On the contrary, there are quite some cases in which the people have seen non human beings and ship pilots.
See for instance this article UFO Occupant Sightings from Richard H. Hall

www.nicap.org...

See also

UFO Occupants ~ Drawings,Sketches and Non-Human Reports

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And you can in my opinion also not rule out the abduction phenomenon in which people claimed to have been abducted by non human beings.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Saucer pilots were trained in New Mexico in the days after Operation Paperclip.

Right, but ours as well as visitor ones.

Part 1-2-3 - Two Scientists Describe An Extraterrestrial Biological Entity Called "J-Rod"

© 2002 by Linda Moulton Howe

In 1999, Bill told me that he was talking to a mechanical engineer named Bill Uhouse who had worked on a U. S. military program to build an advanced simulator that could teach certain American pilots how to fly disc craft - either back-engineered or actual alien craft.

www.earthfiles.com... X-Files

reply to post by spacevisitor

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I would suppose the need for an ET explanation for the saucers flying around was the best hoax with a purpose they could come up with.
Put a Big Lie in the papers that we still have today with the help of agents.
Big Lies remain forever unless you figure out why.

Then I suppose that you really believe that all the observed UFOs/UAPs so far has all to do with human technology?

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Well thats the why of the Big Lie of ETs and Roswell.

In my opinion was the real Big Lie of ETs and Roswell the weather balloon explanation, which was later replaced with the second Big Lie, the Mogul project balloon explanation.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
It would have been appropriate to allow the ticking of more than one box in the final question pertaining to elements within UFOlogy that are doing it harm. It is often a combination of many things. Choosing just one gives an inaccurate picture of such issues.

IRM

Great survey (I took it yesterday) ... but I have to agree with IRM about the last question.

Loving the surveys though ... keep them coming please

Woody

or 2) It has been "theorised" through string and M theory that there exists at least 11 different "dimesions

reply to post by RadicalRebel
Yup. Eleven dimensions, at right-angles to each other, plus one of time. All the very best trying to visualise that. My brain hurts....

I have an issue with this poll, simply because it's rather pigeon holed. In regards to the O'Hare sighting(s) which I worked on directly, there exists only terrestrial and extraterrestrial slots. This doesn't allow for the deeper and more complex issues that might surround such a sighting. To put that into a terrestrial or non-terrestrial box seems kind of short sighted and simplistic.

reply to post by spacevisitor


Zamora saw regular sized humans outside a landed craft.
The official liars put out the story of smaller beings.

Walton was not conscious on either trip from the lake to the Tesla ship base.
He saw no ETs. He saw people at the base after seeing three types
of ships. Check his first radio interview before the FBI briefing.
All officials had to be in agreement as he had to keep his job in
the Forestry Service.

Thats a deny the alien way of looking at things.

I'll take your word you believe in what those links say but you can
give me you own words which you did. Above Top Secret Tesla ships
can be denied because we must remain ignorant. Why deny the
working of Tesla that matters little cause the source is alien.
Well working for the alien cover for Tesla ships is an official Big Lie.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
reply to post by spacevisitor

 

Zamora saw regular sized humans outside a landed craft.
The official liars put out the story of smaller beings.

Walton was not conscious on either trip from the lake to the Tesla ship base.
He saw no ETs. He saw people at the base after seeing three types of ships. Check his first radio interview before the FBI briefing.
All officials had to be in agreement as he had to keep his job in the Forestry Service.

Thats a deny the alien way of looking at things.

I'll take your word you believe in what those links say but you can give me your own words which you did. Above Top Secret Tesla ships can be denied because we must remain ignorant. Why deny the working of Tesla that matters little cause the source is alien.
Well working for the alien cover for Tesla ships is an official Big Lie.

Well, thanks for your reply TeslaandLyne, I really appreciate it.
But because of the things you said above it is very clear to me that we have in fact a very different thought/opinion/view about all those very intriguing things.
But because that is really no problem for me, I am shore that it is also really no problem for you.

I wish you all the best.

Originally posted by jritzmann
This doesn't allow for the deeper and more complex issues that might surround such a sighting. To put that into a terrestrial or non-terrestrial box seems kind of short sighted and simplistic.

Just curious, but about what deeper and more complex issues that might surround such a sighting do you speak here?

Originally posted by flight-dynamics
reply to post by troubleshooter

 

These are more probable but still unscientifically provable theories than "alien visitations". Again, much research has shown that life forms cannot travel through space and survive even if they were in some sort of worm hole or bridge that warped space and made travel less lengthy. This is coupled with the impossible physics of the enormous amount of energy that it would take to speed up that travel regardless of whether a bridge existed in the space time continuum. The facts remain that a phenomenon exists and that it is more indiginous and earth bound than aliens from outer space - but it still remains a mystery and has been for thousands upon thousands of years.

There was absolutely no evidence that people could survive travel faster than 35 MPH at one time, no proof that man could fly, or that the Earth was going around the Sun. All have proven true. We make the mistake of thinking we are on the top of the knowledge base wherever or whenever we are.

The truly intelligent stance is that we are willing to learn of the possibilities in this universe and we are always ignorant but ready for the next leap in understanding. Your position makes assumptions we will find are not correct eventually. As brilliant as Einstein, Bohr and others were, (who penned the rules you expound on) , they themselves realized this too. The universe is infinite in ways we cannot even yet recognize yet. These technologies and cultures that are visiting only hint at the possibilities.

You can't diffuse what we are finding out now, with the old science and limitations imposed by ignorance. Assume you will learn and you will, but, assume you already know and you cannot move forward.

The greatest questions of our history have yet to be asked. Yet the answers are close to being realized if we dare to recognize them, ask the right questions, and are ready to learn.

Be ready.

ZG

Sorry for off topic. Begged response.

Originally posted by IsaacKoi
has anyone proved that there is any extraterrestrial intelligence TO BE disclosed?

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Isn't Tall Greys, Short Greys, Pleiadeans and Draco Reptilians enough?
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