The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I differently disagree. We need at least four years of extremist Tea Party to gut the government and reduce it to a few departments and strip a lot of laws and rules. It's a war for the future of the United States and causalities are to be expected.

Seriously, have you ever seen a pure capitalist society?
I highly encourage you to get a passport and fly around...go to socio-capitalist countrys like europe, then to pure capitalist/corporatist style economies like africa and parts of the middle east...then come back and tell me which one is your utopia.

I have been around, my passport looks like it got into a boxing match with a stamp machine, I have worked in offices from america to the eastern bloc, Egypt to Holland, and I will tell you one thing...experience of the world will force liberal views on you.

Consider a land without government...stop thinking about just your tiny day to day life of growing hemp in your backyard and whatever else...think about things like roads, think about a corporation taking over the internet and selling package plans, think about drinking city water that has no regulations from the steel mill down the stream, or the chemical plant, or the nuke plant on where it can dump things.

Government serves a purpose...too much government is never a good thing (such as, oh, the government demanding and enforcing your doctor give you a lecture before you get a legal abortion, or telling you what you can and cannot smoke/drink), but for the most part, government passes stuff that we the people tell them to pass...be it food safety, regulations on dumping, what forests should be protected verses become logger fodder, etc.

Picture your view of the world on a global scale...where would the world be in 50-100 years of deregulation on everything, nothing bigger than corporations to stop them, etc...
Disaster...total distopia..I want some entity of the people to be as strong as or stronger than the largest corporate entity out there so we don't become just human resources in a corporatist world.

reply to post by SaturnFX


thanks saturn always count on you

so do tell how many bombs have to be dropped ?

how many people have to die?

before its called a war?

Originally posted by Jakes51
OP, how is the Tea Party anti-democratic or guilty of an abuse of power? Is it because they won't sit back and knowingly sign America's death warrant? This is just the usually checks and balances that are party of Republic. However, given the hot button nature of this issue people are being attacked and made out as villains for doing the bidding of their constituents. They are doing only what the voters expected them to do when they were elected in 2010.

I wonder if you would be saying the same thing if the tea party was actually a fringe left movement and their demands were super liberal..
would you be singing the same praises of how they won't sit back and knowingly sign america's death warrant? After all, if your going to say extremism is a wonderful thing, then its a wonderful thing no matter what, right?

No, I think you would be outraged...how dare this minority decide to dictate over the majority...its one thing to be heard, its another to give complete control to the fringe...mhmm

hollow words

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

thanks saturn always count on you

so do tell how many bombs have to be dropped ?

how many people have to die?

before its called a war?

That is a good question. I am not sure what qualifies as a war anymore frankly..I think the worst casualty of the ongoing wars was first the truth...not just from the government, but from the media also...Government will always spin and talk nonsense about their actions abroad when it involves bombs, but the journalists whom either ignore, or not investigate are the ones I am most frustrated with...they are the line that supposed to be between government nonsense talk and clarity.

I then blame this not necessarily on the individuals, but our laws allowing all media outlets to be held by just a couple people...its a total corruption of knowledge going on in the country (and arguably the entire west)..no wonder they want to corporatise the internet...then they can control the last bastion of actual investigation...

reply to post by SaturnFX


A great post! I would suggest people here who want a libertarian capitalist society try Somalia or Senegal. A goodfriend of mine has been to Senegal, a true capitalist libertarian country, where the president a few years ago almost sold the entire country to Japan! That is true freedom, the kind coming to the US courtesy of the libertarians, and the conservative Republican Tea party.

Because Democrats and their lying, Illegal, "Criminal-In-Chief" hate American's.
This is why Pro-America's do not like this anti-American ,socialist ,Democratic 'cult' that is now destroying this nation.
Not that hard to understand, when you can understand the "TRUTH."Understanding The Truth"For Dummies."

Originally posted by Erno86
The so-called modern "Tea Party" is made up of nothing more than a group of "extortionist's" and terrorist's who are hell bent on destroying the worlds economy and the social fabric of the United States of America. If you do not agree with this statement then you are also part of the problem.

Are you a fan of the movie "Serenity" or "Star Wars"? How about the tv-show "FireFly"?

Why were those movies successful?

What was the main premise of both movies? Anyone?

Yes, the direction of these questions is topic related.

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They were about a small group (minority) of individuals fighting to overcome a massive dictatorship (majority).

Originally posted by truthRconsequences357
Because Democrats and their lying, Illegal, "Criminal-In-Chief" hate American's.
This is why Pro-America's do not like this anti-American ,socialist ,Democratic 'cult' that is now destroying this nation.

I am almost certain this post is sarcasm...almost..

reply to post by Section31


the chinese took over the world and then they took over the universe then "another form " of government became the alpha and omega.

then some people said "meh we dont need no stinking government" and formed the brown coats and oddly enough they lost agianst a better armed better funded all power orginzation and they lost.

so the packed their bags and said so long greener pastures elswhere without the governments foot on their knecks redy to snap it.

that sums up firefly serenity and it fits the tea party and the points you made.

the tea party represent the "brown coats" in firefly.

nice comparison my how does artt imitate life.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Erno86
The so-called modern "Tea Party" is made up of nothing more than a group of "extortionist's" and terrorist's who are hell bent on destroying the worlds economy and the social fabric of the United States of America. If you do not agree with this statement then you are also part of the problem.

Are you a fan of the movie "Serenity" or "Star Wars"? How about the tv-show "FireFly"?

Why were those movies successful?

What was the main premise of both movies? Anyone?

Yes, the direction of these questions is topic related.

---- edited for answer ---

They were about a small group (minority) of individuals fighting to overcome a massive dictatorship (majority).

edit on 7/30/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

It was not a dictatorship in serenity, it was a corporate owned system...those fighters, rebels, were actually liberals

funny stuff.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Erno86
The so-called modern "Tea Party" is made up of nothing more than a group of "extortionist's" and terrorist's who are hell bent on destroying the worlds economy and the social fabric of the United States of America. If you do not agree with this statement then you are also part of the problem.

Are you a fan of the movie "Serenity" or "Star Wars"? How about the tv-show "FireFly"?

Why were those movies successful?

What was the main premise of both movies? Anyone?

Yes, the direction of these questions is topic related.

---- edited for answer ---

They were about a small group (minority) of individuals fighting to overcome a massive dictatorship (majority).

edit on 7/30/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

It was not a dictatorship in serenity, it was a corporate owned system...those fighters, rebels, were actually liberals

funny stuff.

Liberals on the idea of less Govt, yes.
Liberals in the current idea, no.

Originally posted by dakota1s2
reply to post by inforeal

 

The "tea party" is exactly democratic. They are just a bunch of average people, mostly middle america group who see
this country headed in the wrong direction. They voted, democratically, to change that direction. What about all of the groups that support your leftist agenda. Example Media Matters, anything to do with George Soros and all of his groups that throw money, rallying the troups trying to change our country.

Why is it when you lefties don't agree with people it always comes to name bashing and whinning about being un-american. What's really bad for our country is the ignorant who blindly follow the mind mindset of Soros, Obama, Reid and Pelosi

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Originally posted by inforeal
reply to post by KrazyJethro

 

America is a democracy and Republic!

The Tea party I said is anti-democratic. They have not remotely the majority of the American people supporting their issues and certainly not their methods.

Definition of democracy: a: government by the people; especially : rule of the majority

"On the contrary"GoodSir:
America is a "constitutional republic" (Supposedly operating under the rule of "law") so a 51%" mob" can't vote away the rights and property of the other 49%

Also, a representative democracy may or may not be a constitutional republic. For example, "the United States relies on representative democracy, but [its] system of government is much more complex than that. [It is] not a simple representative democracy, but a constitutional republic in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights protected by law."[6]

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Erno86
I'm angry and ashamed that the so called "tea party" took it upon themselves to label them as tea partyiest's from the beginnings of the Revolution of 1776.

The so-called modern "Tea Party" is made up of nothing more than a group of "extortionist's" and terrorist's who are hell bent on destroying the worlds economy and the social fabric of the United States of America. If you do not agree with this statement then you are also part of the problem.

A quote from Charles Kruthammar:

"The Tea Party, given the reality, trying to force the issue- turn a blocking minority into a governing authority- is not just counter-constitutional in sprit but self destructive in practice."

edit on 30-7-2011 by Erno86 because: typo

Erno, are you here from the government to help us???

Originally posted by Fromabove
The Tea Party is a reaction to tyranny and abuse of power. They are here to stop the car from going over the cliff. Tea Party people care nothing for party names like democrat or Republican, they care about the people who elected them and why, and more importantly, they care about the United States Constitution.

What we have right now is an Oobamah dictatorship and a banana Senate. In November of 2012, we hope to end the power of both and return all of congress and the presidency back over to the adults in the room. But first we have to take away the blank check and the credit cards.

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Bull. The Tea Party was hijacked long ago by corporate/industrial interests (via the Koch Brothers and various astroturfing groups). THEY DON'T WORK FOR YOU... even if they're so duped they believe they are. It's easy to convince stupid people to work against their own interests if their tasks are complex enough not to see through. THAT is the tea-party... a betrayal of the common man disguised as its benign opposite.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Jakes51
OP, how is the Tea Party anti-democratic or guilty of an abuse of power? Is it because they won't sit back and knowingly sign America's death warrant? This is just the usually checks and balances that are party of Republic. However, given the hot button nature of this issue people are being attacked and made out as villains for doing the bidding of their constituents. They are doing only what the voters expected them to do when they were elected in 2010.

I wonder if you would be saying the same thing if the tea party was actually a fringe left movement and their demands were super liberal..
would you be singing the same praises of how they won't sit back and knowingly sign america's death warrant? After all, if your going to say extremism is a wonderful thing, then its a wonderful thing no matter what, right?

No, I think you would be outraged...how dare this minority decide to dictate over the majority...its one thing to be heard, its another to give complete control to the fringe...mhmm

hollow words

Now, you are trying to make this into a partisan game of football? That is not what I was trying to say with what you quoted by me. Furthermore, what was this group is doing what was expected of them during the 2010 midterm elections. This was a hot button issue then as it is today. If Super Liberals as you put it wanted to come in and sort this mess out against their Republican counterparts, great! I have no quarrel with that, or any group that wants to reign in this fiscal nightmare that is before us.

We are not talking about billions of dollars here, but trillions with a capital "T." It is unsustainable and down right disastrous. Whether government defaults on August 2nd is a matter of speculation? One thing is for certain, if this does not get resolved with a cap on the deficit, reduced spending, and other responsible fiscal measures it is almost guaranteed to happen. So if anyone wants to play naming calling, bicker, throw temper tantrums, showboat, or utilize any other political gimmick at this dark hour in America's history; they do so at their own peril? The jig is up.

Originally posted by macman
Liberals on the idea of less Govt, yes.
Liberals in the current idea, no.

The concept of firefly was the nations merged into one. socialism and capitalism creates corporatism sort of philosophy, the whole world was run as a corporation overall.
The cast was raging against the corporate machine...it was not a story about the woes of big or small government, it was a story about corruption through love of money...its actually a fairly in depth conversation, not one for this thread, but interesting nonetheless with some parallels.

The whole idea is that merger from corporation to government kills off the people's voice. That is the scary part of today as we see more and more large corporate influence being pushed into governments of the west...it quickly stops becoming a democracy (after all, what person can compete with a multi-billion dollar corporation...a person can stand on a soapbox and deliver a message, a corporation can saturate all media with endless ads saying the opposite...)

Now, with that general understanding, find out which party is pushing for more and more corporate integration with the government...find out which party made corporations people, or how corporations can now spend unlimited anonymous funds towards superpacs...do some research and suddenly things become clear.

No, the tea party are akin to sith. (to jump to the star wars theme) as they currently stand.

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by dakota1s2
reply to post by inforeal

 

The "tea party" is exactly democratic. They are just a bunch of average people, mostly middle america group who see
this country headed in the wrong direction. They voted, democratically, to change that direction. What about all of the groups that support your leftist agenda. Example Media Matters, anything to do with George Soros and all of his groups that throw money, rallying the troups trying to change our country.

Why is it when you lefties don't agree with people it always comes to name bashing and whinning about being un-american. What's really bad for our country is the ignorant who blindly follow the mind mindset of Soros, Obama, Reid and Pelosi

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Actually that person knows exactly what he/she is talking about, I agree with said poster, and his/her post is quite accurate in fact.

All the folks who yearn for the old fashion way of America, what was the time in American history you yearn for?

The 19, 90’s 80’s 70’s 60’s 50’s 40’s 30’s 20’s

1890, 1880, 1870, 1860, 1860’s 50’s 40’s etc

Come on give us a date, a time period when there was this American paradise we need to go back to.

Or is there some European nation in history we need to emulate?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Section31

 

the chinese took over the world and then they took over the universe then "another form " of government became the alpha and omega.

Actually it was "The Alliance" which was made up of the remnants of both the United States and China melded together. Yep, not just those bad commie Chinese, the good ol' boys from the USA were part of that team.

then some people said "meh we dont need no stinking government" and formed the brown coats and oddly enough they lost agianst a better armed better funded all power orginzation and they lost.

so the packed their bags and said so long greener pastures elswhere without the governments foot on their knecks redy to snap it.

that sums up firefly serenity and it fits the tea party and the points you made.

the tea party represent the "brown coats" in firefly.

nice comparison my how does artt imitate life.

I do not think we were watching the same show at all.