The Tea Party is anti-democratic and guilty of abuse of power

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Erno86
I'm angry and ashamed that the so called "tea party" took it upon themselves to label them as tea partyiest's from the beginnings of the Revolution of 1776.

The so-called modern "Tea Party" is made up of nothing more than a group of "extortionist's" and terrorist's who are hell bent on destroying the worlds economy and the social fabric of the United States of America. If you do not agree with this statement then you are also part of the problem.

A quote from Charles Kruthammar:

"The Tea Party, given the reality, trying to force the issue- turn a blocking minority into a governing authority- is not just counter-constitutional in sprit but self destructive in practice."

edit on 30-7-2011 by Erno86 because: typo

Erno, are you here from the government to help us???

No- I just consider myself as a true United States American Patriot; trying to put some sense and faith into the world

Originally posted by citizen6511
reply to post by inforeal

 

in the 1930s in Europe, there was a political group called the brown shirts.

the tea party is the american version of this political phenomena.

they brought down the Wiemar republic in Germany, it's scary to see what this political disease is doing to America.

either the american voter get rid of this republican congress next year, or we are all doomed.

The Democrats and Republicans are the political disease. The Tea Party is part of the cure for it.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

Originally posted by dakota1s2
reply to post by inforeal

 

The "tea party" is exactly democratic. They are just a bunch of average people, mostly middle america group who see
this country headed in the wrong direction. They voted, democratically, to change that direction. What about all of the groups that support your leftist agenda. Example Media Matters, anything to do with George Soros and all of his groups that throw money, rallying the troups trying to change our country.

Why is it when you lefties don't agree with people it always comes to name bashing and whinning about being un-american. What's really bad for our country is the ignorant who blindly follow the mind mindset of Soros, Obama, Reid and Pelosi

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Actually that person knows exactly what he/she is talking about, I agree with said poster, and his/her post is quite accurate in fact.

The Tea Party was hijacked... and most of what I've heard out of the Tea Party is terribly misinformed, fear-based, quasi-race-based, and jingoistic. They see the country heading in the "wrong" direction... and they wanna make things even worse without realizing it. Not that every Tea Party concern/solution is bad... but there are some which are plainly corrupt/terrible ideas mixed in with some good ones. It's ideological propaganda, mix in some bad with some good and people can't tell the difference.

Media Matters is not part of a conspiracy. George Soros is absolutely NOT some kind of puppet master, he was obviously chosen as the mysterious object of 2-minutes hate for right-wingers, but Soros has almost NO hand in politics; not even MoveOn. He contributed a million or two to MoveOn in order to get George Bush out of the presidency... and personally, I'm totally with him on that. The vast majority of MoveOn's funding comes from individual small donations from normal people who see through the right-wing, Fox News corporatism disguised as freedom-loving.

If you actually talk to left-wingers, they're actually quite intelligent/objective about Obama... hardly anybody blindly follows Reid or Pelosi... certainly they're cheered on to do the right thing, but what they've shown is that they will bend their spines and compromise to right-wing corporatists time and time again, selling us out and then taking the blame for it.

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a tactic by saul alinsky attack and marginalize and obfuscate the opponents message so that it never gets heard.

irrational thought leads to irrational actions with the ends of mass control.

facts dont matter the perception of them do because people are all too happy to take some others mere word for it.

hence the term poltiical zombies just a bunch of mindless people who hang on what some party tells them.

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I suspect that similar things were said about the National Socialist Party in Germany after the country went into economic collapse following World War 1.

In fact -- the similarities between the today's Tea Party movement, and how it's gained a massive following through propaganda playing off the fears of the average citizen, and the uprising of the Nazi party are quite shocking.

Even scary if you ask me.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Section31

 

a tactic by saul alinsky attack and marginalize and obfuscate the opponents message so that it never gets heard.

irrational thought leads to irrational actions with the ends of mass control.

facts dont matter the perception of them do because people are all too happy to take some others mere word for it.

hence the term poltiical zombies just a bunch of mindless people who hang on what some party tells them.

Irony.

Its painstaking irony.

Originally posted by inforeal
All the folks who yearn for the old fashion way of America, what was the time in American history you yearn for?

The 19, 90’s 80’s 70’s 60’s 50’s 40’s 30’s 20’s

1890, 1880, 1870, 1860, 1860’s 50’s 40’s etc

Come on give us a date, a time period when there was this American paradise we need to go back to.

Or is there some European nation in history we need to emulate?

Pre-colonial Native America.

As for a European nation in history... perhaps Germany or other Scandinavian countries in the present. They seem to have their crap together; they practice very intelligent/successful/mature versions of Social Democracy that we should seek to emulate at LEAST instead of what we're currently doing with our government/economy.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Jakes51
If Super Liberals as you put it wanted to come in and sort this mess out against their Republican counterparts, great! I have no quarrel with that, or any group that wants to reign in this fiscal nightmare that is before us.

Thats easy enough

So, you had things going fine...paid all the bills, employment was great, country chuggling along nicely.
Sure, we still get the odd bubble and burst, but meh...capitalism..what can you expect.

Then something happens...someone flips a switch and everything crashes
Logically, you flip the switch back and put a "do not touch" sticker on it so that doesn't happen again...simple.

Except that now you got people roaring that we should never touch the switch...a minority, sure, but still, enough to hold back someone from putting the switch back to where it was.

Flip the damn switch, stop the bush stimulius tax cuts already! it had the opposite effect, it crashed everything, and flipping it -will- make everything cool again financewise....stop being foolish.

Thats it...and thats what the whole 08 election was about...to stop the damn cuts...yet the dems failed to do that (because of unemployment compensation extension...weak). the people sent in a different group to try to sort it out then, and now its worse than before.

Star for that! You summed up the matter quite succinctly. It is too bad the politicians are not on that wavelength? This situation should not be political, but at this juncture it is. The warning shots have been fired over the bow years and years ago. Instead of heading the warnings and taking the necessary steps between the two political parties to leave ample time to solve it, we have found ourselves in the middle of yet another make or break scenario. Still, this government spending and deficit is unsustainable! The matter must be addressed now, and hopefully it is not too late? I am open to either party coming forward with alternatives or solutions, but not a business as usual approach. If doomsday happens as is being billed on August 2nd so be it, but as it stands now it will happen if the games continue. You brought up some good points, and thanks for the reply!

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

All of that is what state governments are for. There is no need for a far reaching federal government micromanaging every aspect of a citizens daily life. About the only thing I think the federal government should do is provide a top notch, best in the world military; an agency like the FCC to control radio frequency allocation, power output, antennas and interference; a subset of DOE to insure nuclear and chemical plant safety and some kind of central waste management along with management of the electrical grid, pipelines and other energy exploration and production; a subset of DOJ to settle jurisdictional matters between the states; a subset of FDA to insure food, drug and medical device safety. I would severely limit the federal courts to disputes between states. I would severely restrict the NSA, CIA, DHS, FBI, CDC and move them under DOD. All other departments and agencies would have to justify their existence although the departments of education, agriculture, transportation, commerce, labor and ATF would be cut at once. Convert NASA to private and do an IPO and let them sink or swim with competition.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Section31

 

then some people said "meh we dont need no stinking government" and formed the brown coats and oddly enough they lost agianst a better armed better funded all power orginzation and they lost.

What was the name given to the 'brown coats'? The Independents.

"Firefly" and "Serenity" was all about a disenfranchised group of individuals who sought freedom. Since a massive galaxy spanning empire was suppressing freedom, one small sized group of radicals sought to establish a Libertarian (Centralist) way of life.

'Tea Party' movement 'was' originally one of those revolutionary movements. As a result of being hammered by a Democrat swinging media (and Democrat loyalists), the movement's voice was practically lost due to allegations of bigotry. In order for the movement to survive, they took advantage of the Republican party's weakness. Since the Republican party was weakened in the 2008 election, the 'Tea Party' attacked the first vulnerable political group. Unfortunately, their existence had become exploited by a media company.

When the 'Tea-Party originally began as a movement, its members included Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Hispanic, Africans, Whites, poor, middle-class, and upper-class.

Ironically, if enough people fought against a Conservative takeover, the 'Tea Party' could have been one of the best political movements in modern history.

Do you know why its failing publicly? Democrat and Republican loyalists are getting away with defining the movement.

'Tea Party' movement was a missed opportunity. People were too blind to realize the movement's potential, so they allowed their view of the 'Tea Party' to be tainted by other loyalists.

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Sorry, but it wasn't about the "most vulnerable group" and it wasn't about "attacking", it was about opposing the insane Socialist/Communist agenda of OBama/Soros/Pelosi/Reid/DSA/Communist/Socialist machine. Sorry, but the Democrat Party was the first party platform to be directly taken over by communism. That is the truth, like it or not. Next are the RINOS in the Republican Party who pretend to have conservative values but end up driving the Socialist agenda anyway. Some of the RINOS are what some people lovingly term NEOCON. What is a NEOCON? A liberal turned to the "right". Have they changed their values? I doubt it. I think they are Socialist wolves in sheep's clothing personally. Think Woflowitz and Perle. But listen, Wolfowitz was Prez of the World Bank. Get the drift here? Hillary is scheduled now to become the head of World Bank. Think this is exclusively one party? Nope. It is communists and NWO people infiltrating all top areas of govt.

Every sec of Defense has been a member of CFR since Eisenhower.

Members of the Skull and Bones Order are often directly admitted to membership in the CFR.
John Kerry and Bush Sr were both members of Skull and Bones and they ran against each other in 04. It was the perfect Hegelian left/right dialogue.

Originally posted by macman

Are you seriously suggesting that the Liberal Dems are better then the Conservative Rep?

Better at what?

Ultimately yes, yes I am suggesting just that. If I didn't see it that way, I would not be a liberal...why would I choose to associate with something I found to be inferior?

I don't agree with every aspect of every liberal, but the core understanding and foundation (feel free to wiki it) I do feel relates to my views.
I know also a conservative will see conservatives as "better" than liberals, as people tend to go with what they find is the best for them overall.
Sort of a silly question if you think about it...

Instead of blaming one over the over, lets just be totally honest here.

They are all full of crap.

Left, right, liberal, conservative, it doesn't matter.

All crap.

reply to post by inforeal


The OP is just plain wrong. The idea that the Tea Party is threatening the US government with default is plain wrong. The idea that 10% of congress is actually able to tell the other 90% what they have to do is plain wrong. So inforeal, let me know how 10% of congress can tell the other 90% what to do. Please tell me where the Tea Party is getting their magical powers.

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Poor little Dembos. Cant trash the whole damn thing now.

Did you really think your nazi facist socialist party could do a single thing right? Guess what sherlock...they cant. And now someone says no and its time to cry like babies and fall on the floor kicking and screaming.

Originally posted by Evil_Santa

Originally posted by filosophia
The country is a republic not a democracy, and the tea party is not in power (the guy in power goes by the name Barack Obama although his real name is Barry Soetoro). If the tea party was guilty of blackmail the FBI would have arrested them by now, and who is the tea party exactly? 85 people who have been VOTED in? So you're conspiracy theory involves 85 people who were voted in who are collaborating with each other to commit blackmail upon the United States government? I'm enjoying this

You're completely wrong on how the government works.

The president only has the power to either a.) sign a bill into power, or b.) veto it.

Congress makes the bills, and with those 85 people refusing to come to a middle ground on this issue, they are effectively holding the country as hostage.

Or are the remaining 350 congressman holding the85 hostage by not compromising.?
"It takes two (i.e.435votingmembers) to tango".

So is the"solitary "hold out juror" on a "hung jury" ALWAYS WRONG?

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by macman

Are you seriously suggesting that the Liberal Dems are better then the Conservative Rep?

Better at what?

Ultimately yes, yes I am suggesting just that. If I didn't see it that way, I would not be a liberal...why would I choose to associate with something I found to be inferior?

I don't agree with every aspect of every liberal, but the core understanding and foundation (feel free to wiki it) I do feel relates to my views.
I know also a conservative will see conservatives as "better" than liberals, as people tend to go with what they find is the best for them overall.
Sort of a silly question if you think about it...

Thus is your fatal flaw.

You think that Liberals in Govt are the better, or lesser of 2 evils.
I believe that they are both evil.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
the insane Socialist/Communist agenda of OBama/Soros/Pelosi/Reid/DSA/Communist/Socialist machine. Sorry, but the Democrat Party was the first party platform to be directly taken over by communism.

No worries though
in 12, the insane Facist/Corporatist agenda of Rush/Boehner/Koch/Murdoch/Bachman/Facist/Corporatist machine will be delt a blow. Sorry, but the Republican Party was the first party platform to be directly purchased by corporatism.


Weeee, this is fun..

Originally posted by macman
Thus is your fatal flaw.

You think that Liberals in Govt are the better, or lesser of 2 evils.
I believe that they are both evil.

Stand for something, or fall for anything.
I stand for liberal values. I find them more ethical, moral, fiscally sound, progressive in science, etc.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
... it was about opposing the insane Socialist/Communist agenda of OBama/Soros/Pelosi/Reid/DSA/Communist/Socialist machine. Sorry, but the Democrat Party was the first party platform to be directly taken over by communism. That is the truth, like it or not...

Well, yeah. You are correct.

I just said it differently.

The current "Tea Party" is not a "grass roots" organization; but a "media" based organization; based on hyperbole and hype!!!