I agree with the Inuit people , The sun is definetly moving over a different path in the sky . See M

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl
Well... the Earth did shift subtly and actually when that happens, and it does happen, the effects are barely felt at all. Aside from the last shift which shortened our days by, think NASA said 1.26 microseconds (millionth of a second in case there are Brazillions of people who don't know what a microsecond is).

Wasn't that my point the fact that this shift from the earthquake was reported as news -- I believe that it was a 4" movement which is what percentage of 1575073843.2"

This 4" movement was big big news -- it did not shift our relationship to the sun in any measurable way (well measurable with out being a major university with a grant to make that measurement - feel free to set that up)

A major shift that change the relationships to the Sun would keep CNN going at full tilt boogie - at least until the next shiny object came along.

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I understand the point you made about stallarium the first time; I know how to use it. Do you think if I did that check then all the conspiracy theorists would say "Oh look staliarium says its so, so it must be true" but your forgetting one thing, humans write the software just in the same way humans write the media and as such could not be relied upon as fact. 2 photos would be fact and would ease the minds of those that believe something is wrong with the positions of stars.

Again I will point out that im not saying the stars are in the wrong place or tracking in a different direction. When I get home I will post a picture I took a few nights ago looking at the Polaris, it doesn’t prove much but it’s a lovely picture showing the track of the stars.

reply to post by Pilot
Hiya Pilot, amateur astronomers use motorised scopes and software that points towards the object they want to observe. It can be used for tracking objects too. This is quite accurate and more so than my suggestion of a visual comparison.

Not a single amateur astronomer has noticed that their telescopes aren't pointing where they should be. On a grander scale, there are small observatories run by volunteers who also aren't noticing the stars being out of place. Each solstice, various sub-cultures celebrate the Sun and they haven't noticed anything unusual either.

I haven't mentioned international, independent observatories or space-based observatories and satellites because their evidence isn't up-to-scratch for many ATSers.

We're talking celestial mechanics here...massive planets, moons and stars orbiting each other. The Earth can't just move and neither can the Sun.

@ Coffeesniffer - I'll look forward to it

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Kandinsky-

I might look at this from another angle When did the first mention of the sun being "off" appear on the web...was it the Greenland incident in January of 2011? Was it before that? If a story like the one one from Greenland goes viral, it might have planted the seed along with talk of shifts due to eq's in Chile and tsunami's in Indonesia & Japan causing axis tilt's and then we start hearing people say "the sun is in a different place" from all over.

This is a possibility, what is the reason people are reporting this? Whether it is factual or not, it's happening that people are spreading this notion and it may be traceable back to the stories mentioned above...I will look into this later, gotta go for now.

Originally posted by spyder550

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl
Well... the Earth did shift subtly and actually when that happens, and it does happen, the effects are barely felt at all. Aside from the last shift which shortened our days by, think NASA said 1.26 microseconds (millionth of a second in case there are Brazillions of people who don't know what a microsecond is).

Wasn't that my point the fact that this shift from the earthquake was reported as news -- I believe that it was a 4" movement which is what percentage of 1575073843.2"

This 4" movement was big big news -- it did not shift our relationship to the sun in any measurable way (well measurable with out being a major university with a grant to make that measurement - feel free to set that up)

A major shift that change the relationships to the Sun would keep CNN going at full tilt boogie - at least until the next shiny object came along.

OH, I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood when you said:

These are just off the top of my head - but if the earth changed even subtly. The effects are not going to be such that you would have time to post on the internet saying that you might be noticing a difference. Hell there probably wouldn't even be an internet

Anyway... do we really have to do math right now? I'm so busy working on my grant proposal I really don't have time for much else...

I have found an interactive map that shows you where the sun should be
at any given time and location.
You can look up your current location and time and see where the sun should be.

www.sunearthtools.com...

Use it to compare what you are seeing in the sky.

I'm taking some measurements.
Tools I'm using.
legal pad,compass,protractor.
The sun is currently shining on my back porch and a pole is casting a shadow.
I'm using the margin line on the paper as my line due north.
I'm drawing a line cast by the shadow.
Now if I could only find that protractor I haven't seen in years.

I wonder if the angle of Earth's roatational axis from 24 degrees to 22.5 degrees would cause the sun to appear in a slightly different location from our perspective, enough to be noticable? Apperently it happens every 40,000yrs...

Earth's axis is currently pointing at the North Star, Polaris, but it is always rotating around in a conical pattern. In about 10,000 years, it will point toward the star Vega, which will mean that winter in the Northern Hemisphere will begin in June instead of January. After 20,000 years, the axis will again point at Polaris.

I believe we now have what we can call a spontaneous shifting of the Earth’s Spin Axis during approximately January 2006. The last 7.1 year cycle of the wobble closed up during November and December 2005 and abruptly terminated some 10 months early. In other words, a normally 7.1 year cycle truncated into about 6.2 years, a RECORD BREAKING anomaly.

The Spin Axis also significantly shifted its average location. Since this shift was within the range of its seven year spirals, no usually sharp shift in tectonic activity occurred at the time.
~ Major Anomoly in Chandler's Wobble (2005/2006)

It could be we're seeing the effects of the Chandler wobble cycle, the beginning of a new ice age, and throw in the magnetic and/or physical pole shift for fun. And don't forget a few MEGA-quakes that shifted the Earth's axis 3 or 4 times over the last 6 years.

Could it be that because of our fluctuating magnetic field and more moisture in our atmosphere that we get the effect of looking through water where the object is in a slightly different spot than we perceive?

Any astrophysicists on here want to investigate this on-the-side and get back to us?

I say there is an interstellar body with a great magnetic influence that is causing all of our planets to experience "changes". From this vantage point we notice Saturn has changed, we notice Jupiter has changed and we notice that all the planets are "heating up"; however, from this vantage point we cannot clearly see the changes the same way on this ground level.

I seriously think the shape of Earth is changing and it is flexing and bulging. This accounts for why the sun appears to be slightly more convex in its behavior yet sets where it should and rises where it should (sometimes). We are on a "wave" yet we cannot feel it any more than we can actually feel the planet rotating. We see the Sun in its path but we cannot feel the Earth moving beneath us as we too are part of the flow.

Limiting ourselves to storybook mentality of unchanging Solar mechanisms is a fantasy with a happy ending of "everything is normal", but it is not a storybook, it is real and the people who garden and the people who live on the land such as the Inuit are a bit more "functional" than others would have any of us believe. Arrogance is their fault but who can blame them, they live in a land that the rest of us have realized is only an illusion.

The Interstellar Fluff is highly magnetized and yet it confuses Science as to why it has not collapsed in on itself; Voyager probes have determined that the Heliosphere is "distorted" as it bears down on us, and some would have us believe that it "cannot pass", as if Gandalf had his magic scepter to hold it back! Clearly some need to start speaking truths rather than speculating on things as Normal as a means of self appreciation. The Fluff is the stuff and our Sun coupled with other magnetic forces is showing us the Light, literally!

I say the Earth is fluidic in Nature and quite possibly we are beginning to see that no solid object is ever really solid when it is comprised of the forces of movement. We are on a wave and we are noticing it! The ripples in a pool yet so subtle that we look around wondering why Science cannot see it, but they can, they just don't grasp it yet because they are still paying for the textbooks they bought themselves to teach with; a catch all for them! Like sticky paper the fly keeps buzzing but he cannot seem to fly!

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I think with so many people noticing this since the first of the year something may definitely be going on.
I haven't noticed so much the time/placement of sunrise and sunset because I am not out at those times most usually, but I notice a difference in the sunlight itself, being more "white" and a more intense heat.

I don't know much about the earth's "wobble", it it makes me wonder if the earth's wobble has been thrown off. We had record cold and snow in the US last winter, record heat and drought in the summer. Just makes me wonder....

So no-one can prove or disprove this for ATS members??

Time lapse an old (already calibrated sun dial, measuring device) a day a week a month... however long you can,
get it up on the interwebs and get it linked to a thread on ATS.

this should prove it either way, im saying i have noticed some diffrences and i would like to know if its just a time of year type thing and im being wishful that somthing had changed??

Anyway i live in scotland.. we dont have large amount of sun based measuring system due to irregular weather patterns, not that much sun gaurentee'd a year... if we had somthing close id be on this.

Now loads of people on here are not in that situation, they live close to things that have exsisted a long time for this very purpose... can we use ancient knowledge to prove or disprove this???

anyone??

reply to post by GonzoSinister
A sun-dial? Time-lapse cameras? Proof?

Let's just think about it for a moment?

Scenario 1 ~ The Earth has drifted from its usual orbit and the Sun is no longer where it 'used to be.' Nobody has noticed and the amateur astronomers, scientists, space observatories, farmers, astrologers, sailors, pilots etc etc are keeping it quiet.

Scenario 2 ~ The Earth remains in the same orbit as ever and the Sun remains in the same orbit around the Galactic centre. There's been no change in the Sun's path through our skies and those who think there has are mistaken or have a weakness for rumours.

Originally posted by kdog1982
I have found an interactive map that shows you where the sun should be
at any given time and location.
You can look up your current location and time and see where the sun should be.

www.sunearthtools.com...

Use it to compare what you are seeing in the sky.

I'm taking some measurements.
Tools I'm using.
legal pad,compass,protractor.
The sun is currently shining on my back porch and a pole is casting a shadow.
I'm using the margin line on the paper as my line due north.
I'm drawing a line cast by the shadow.
Now if I could only find that protractor I haven't seen in years.

edit on 28-7-2011 by kdog1982 because: (no reason given)

How are you determining due north?

And how are you determining where the sun should be? A website that uses GPS (which ias owned by the US military)? Use some old sea charts or something. Something that can't be tampered with.

And anecdotal evidence, I have also thought the sun seemed to set more north and that it seems to stay light out longer. I thought it was atmospheric conditions affecting it or something. We have had a very weird winter and summer this last seasons and no spring whatsoever.

Originally posted by kdog1982
I have found an interactive map that shows you where the sun should be
at any given time and location.
You can look up your current location and time and see where the sun should be.

www.sunearthtools.com...

Use it to compare what you are seeing in the sky.

I'm taking some measurements.
Tools I'm using.
legal pad,compass,protractor.
The sun is currently shining on my back porch and a pole is casting a shadow.
I'm using the margin line on the paper as my line due north.
I'm drawing a line cast by the shadow.
Now if I could only find that protractor I haven't seen in years.

edit on 28-7-2011 by kdog1982 because: (no reason given)

I took some measurements,did some calculating and I came up with this.
For my location,the azimuth of the sun,which is where it is in the sky using north as the starting point,
is 111.65 degrees according to online sun tool.
my calculation was 111.19 degrees.
given I wasn't using the most accurate tools,seems the sun is where they say it is.

I used my compass for magnetic north,
then used this declination calculator
www.ngdc.noaa.gov...
to determine true north,
took some measurements and used this calculator
www.csgnetwork.com...
with info on where the sun is with this
www.sunearthtools.com...

and,no,that is not my location,just using it for a reference

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by GonzoSinister

 

A sun-dial? Time-lapse cameras? Proof?

Let's just think about it for a moment?

Scenario 1 ~ The Earth has drifted from its usual orbit and the Sun is no longer where it 'used to be.' Nobody has noticed and the amateur astronomers, scientists, space observatories, farmers, astrologers, sailors, pilots etc etc are keeping it quiet.

Scenario 2 ~ The Earth remains in the same orbit as ever and the Sun remains in the same orbit around the Galactic centre. There's been no change in the Sun's path through our skies and those who think there has are mistaken or have a weakness for rumours.

yes i know what you are saying, im not saying this is been covered up im just suggesting its not moved enough to matter to anyone that much and the thousands of people that have said the noticed it have well infact noticed it... its not like its just the OP saying they have noticed somthing strange... many people have?

and all im suggesting is a few millimeters every few years could be barley noticed by the mass public... yes even farmers etc. using the sun... then over time you adapt and barley notice a few centimeters as it happens over 20/30 years??

But now some people have started noticing it as it has been many years since they took actual notice of the sun and in comparrison it seems diffrent.....

when you have said a sun dial? - well yes.. there are sun based measuring devices in india that are incredibly accurate..even though they are old, and if they are out even by a millimeter then either the sun or the earth has changed position due to the fact they are heuge stone structures....

time lapse camera? well im not watching a video in real time to see that six hours in the sun is off by a fraction on a centimeter...

im just saying i have noticed a diffrence and i dont know when the diffrence has occured... many posts have been on ATS about is so a video like this with an old welll used and proven device would quite easily prove.. or as you believe disprove with proper evidence...

pic or it didnt happen??? the ATS mantra!




just my thoughts

LOL. It's called summer. Every summer someone on ATS seems to think the sun is in a 'new' place.

Go talk to some farmers in your region and ask them what they think.

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Maybe in future you could read the thread from start to finish then you will realise....
It is during the Summer that I am talking about!!!
D'UHHHH!!!
Open your eyes and you wont be so silly in the future

Originally posted by the2010apprentice
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Maybe in future you could read the thread from start to finish then you will realise....
It is during the Summer that I am talking about!!!
D'UHHHH!!!
Open your eyes and you wont be so silly in the future

Oh, I read the thread. I realize that it is currently summer. I also realize that every summer I hear at least one wing nut say the sun is in a different place than last year. Your anecdotal drawing and charts are nice, but they do not trump my own anecdotal experience of the natural world