I agree with the Inuit people , The sun is definetly moving over a different path in the sky . See M

I said countless times on here, THE SUN HAS MOVED!!! fact, end off


Its rises ands set more right, than it did when it rose up at dawn & sets more left in the evening so much so we had to change the location of plants in the back garden to keep the sun,


I will make ANOTHER more in depth post in this thread tomorrow

Originally posted by LosTNForGotteNWayS
Two words... "Pole Shift"

If you are referring to the pole shift theory,it is the magnetic pole shift ,
not a physical pole shift.

Originally posted by litterbaux

Originally posted by Solasis

Originally posted by litterbaux

You would notice the sun was a little off you say?

If it was a little off, I would agree. But 25 degrees is the smallest number I'm seeing quoted. That's a pretty damn big portion of the sky. I'm pretty sure I would notice that.

After reading your reply I changed my mind about one aspect. I said in my previous post people are just too darn busy to actually notice the world around them, for many good reasons. Maybe people are just now opening their eyes to the fact the sun actually does set at different spots. It's normal and had been happening for... well... ever.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, as the most likely cause. The same blithe obliviousness which could keep us from noticing an actual shift has kept most people from noticing the shifts that happen throughout the year.

My parents tell a story about a friend of theirs who freaked out every time the moon was in a different place than it had been a couple hours ago.

Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
I said countless times on here, THE SUN HAS MOVED!!! fact, end off


Its rises ands set more right, than it did when it rose up at dawn & sets more left in the evening so much so we had to change the location of plants in the back garden to keep the sun,


I will make ANOTHER more in depth post in this thread tomorrow

Looking forward to it.
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Originally posted by Solasis


My parents tell a story about a friend of theirs who freaked out every time the moon was in a different place than it had been a couple hours ago.

I talked to someone once who was absolutely convinced that the moon was only out when it was full. There have been similar sentiments stated in this thread.

I've been feeling the sun was out of whack for a while. And stupidly enough it's because of my daily drive from work to home. Some things don't change... like the route you take from work. And I distinctly remember being annoyed by the sun driving home... where now it isn't in my eyes. I also noticed the same difference during the winter. Normally the reflections are awful, but this last winter wasn't anywhere near the same. I have blue eyes, and have always been sensitive to the light - so strangely enough, it actually caught my attention awhile ago when I wasn't so bugged by it. Glad I'm not the only one noticing the position has seemed to change.

so with the sun possibly being out of wack, is that why its ben way hotter than i can remember. in kansas when i was little we would have a week or 2 that would be over 100. this year it seems like it has ben over 100 for 2 months.

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And here in Utah our winter lasted until mid May. We still have snow on our mountains with camping resorts STILL closed due to snow. Our ski season just barely barely ended a couple of weeks ago. The LONGEST ski season we have ever had period. In fact, the temps here were so cold, no ones plants are growing properly. Everyone I talk to has only a few budding veggies, when normally there are a ton of tomatoes, etc. Including my own garden. The weather has been sooo strange this year - and that is saying something here in Utah. WHere you need to put boots and sandals in your car.. just in case it snows then heats back up again in an hour. I'm not joking either.

I couldn't tell you if the sun has changed positions in the sky or not. But for over a year now I have just felt something was different with the daytime sky. I even remember uttering those very words to a co-worker. Something feels different, I just couldn't tell you what.

Originally posted by BRITWARRIOR
I said countless times on here, THE SUN HAS MOVED!!! fact, end off


Its rises ands set more right, than it did when it rose up at dawn & sets more left in the evening so muchso we had to change the location of plants in the back garden to keep the sun,

How long have you been gardening in that location ?

Less than 12 months ?

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I'ld have to agree, I live in the US and I've noticed a big change in the shadow lines the sun casts from my fence line. I plant my veggies near the fence if they r too close they are always shaded, not this year. The fence is in full sun not for a good portion of the day.

Guess I have to say one thing.
10 years ago I moved north from living in the south east coast of the US.
The heat here has been extreme to everyone I know that are from here,
but not for me.
500 miles further north then I grew up and the summer time temps are the same as when I was a kid living further south.
The earth is warming up,for whatever reason.

Originally posted by dreamfox1
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This is kind of out there, but perhaps we are looking at this problem in the wrong way. What if the problem is the earth itself, and not it's tilt or the sun or anything else. What if SOME of the actual ground we stand upon is moving and shifting(faster than normal)? That would explain why some areas of the world seem to notice this phenominon(sun/moon in wrong place) while others do not.

Out of all the different controversy and conspiracy theories there is only one subject I've come upon where I was able to prove without any doubt whatsoever that something is seriously wrong. Earthquake activity is that subject. I used the IRIS earthquake database to chart earthquake activity from 1990-today. Here is a link to the results:

imageshack.us...

I was very careful not to make any errors. Those graphs are accurate(according to IRIS database). A couple things are important to note:

First, no earthquake database is complete. IRIS is simply the most accurate I could find. The USGS leaves out a LOT of earthquakes. For example, as of a week ago a heck of a lot of the New Zealand quakes this year aren't showing up on IRIS.

Second, it isn't good enough to simply total up all the earthquakes 1.0 and above every year and say "Yup, we're experiencing more earthquakes!" You have to break them down by category and exclude the lesser quakes(0-4). Those are not very accurately measured over the last few decades and become extremely misleading). What really matters is seismic energy output and that increases exponentially with seismic magnitude.

Third, the figures for 2011 are PROJECTIONS based on 204 days of data(over half a year). I divided those numbers by 204 and multiplied by 365 to come to estimated year end outcomes. Unless earthquake activity just straight up stops for the next 5 months, these projections should be pretty darn accurate. Certainly they won't be so far off that the upward trend won't manifest. The graph with the highest probability of inaccuracy is the 7.0+ graph since the sample size is so much smaller.

So, to the point....The data is undeniable. The earth is shaking more than I've seen over any of the data covering 70 years of seismic activity. Set to the side for a moment the reason WHY it's shaking more and ask yourself...what might happen as a result? Could the ground beneath us be moving without normal folks noticing and how could it do that? Well, the majority of the movement would have to be at the edges of the tectonic plates otherwise we could be having gigantic chasms ripped in to the surface all over the planet. Additionally, multiple plates would have to be cooperating to some degree. It can't simply be 1 plate shifting south(or north or whatever). The surrounding plates would have to be shifting as well.

If this were true it would put is in a situation similar to the recent movie 2012 where the earth's core heated up to the point where the crust on the surface ended up sliding. An event like this would have to show increased earthquake, volcanic and ground collapse. We already know earthquakes are occurring far more frequently. Volcanic activity is going nuts as well the last three years(though finding a good database to prove it is damn near impossible because so many eruptions get left out) and there have been increasing reports of sinkholes and rips in the surface as well has rivers and lakes disappearing.

Like I said, this is pretty out there. This is the only thing I can think of that resolves why some people experience this change and others across the world don't.

Cheers

EDIT: Oh btw, if you're wondering why 4.0-4.99 quake activity is decreasing while all the rest is increasing..That's a very good question. While charting all the data I noticed a general trend showing that if 4.0-4.99 increased...5.0-5.99 decreased but 6.0+ increased either that year or the following year. The fact that the last couple years 4.0-4.99 has plummeted and all 5.0+ activity has increased shows something is wrong.

Originally posted by Mungsmythy

So, to the point....The data is undeniable. The earth is shaking more than I've seen over any of the data covering 70 years of seismic activity.

Whats the significance of this in geological timeframes ?

70 years is nothing

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I think your post likely disturbs me more than any other one I have read on this thread. Your observations are of such a casual and routine 'daily life' variety, it just screams accuracy. You obviously weren't looking for it...but it was impossible to miss seeing. Yeah... the validity of your post is disturbing on more than one level.

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The significance is that as long as man has been able to accurately track strong earthquakes, nothing like what is happening the last 3 years has happened before. It shows something is different. I never claimed today's activity is unprecedented. Though, now that I think about it, assuming that it ISN'T unprecedented is just as foolish as assuming it IS. We have no proof one way or another whether such an exponential increase over a few years has happened before. All we know is that over centuries the earth dramatically changed.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Clearly you have not researched that much, or you would know saying `The Inuit`feel one particular way is a misnomer, at best. Furthermore, if you HAD actually researched that issue, you would know the explanation given BY THE GUY WHO PUT THE INFO TOGETHER is that they are seeing an opitcal illusion. Go ahead, look it up. I`ve posted it SEVERAL times in this thread alone.

Yes, understandably given the geographical angle at which the Inuit people view the sun, it can be explained away as an optical illusion.

But here in the middle of the equator is a different story in my opinion. Perhaps, you can PROVE this optical Illusion theory stands from the various locations from which this oddity has been reported from this thread.

Well, what about those of us who pay attention to nature who disagree with your claims?

You say you pay attention to nature, and yet you don't recognize the Optical Illusion Sunset you speak of.

1) People are seeing a sort of optical illusion due to pollution, atmospheric warming, cosmic goo, or some other as-yet-unproven factor.

2)People are basing their claims on a false memory of where it used to set, or are merely forgetting that the sun sets higher in the North in the summer.

From the two possibilities you stated, I deduce:

1. Optical Illusion - And you stated "from an unproven source", then how can your theory stand.

2. False Memory. Highly unlikely, no I'm not forgetting where the sun sets.

No, I have not done any serious research with regard to this oddity, but like many, I have stated my observations as is.

Until then please prove to us that it is optical Illusion, and I'll be inclined to accept.

PEACE

I want to throw out a general question to everyone on this. I feel this subject, if accurate and provably ongoing, pretty well seals the deal on proof in absolute terms of changes happening and those changes being entirely beyond Man's control or influence.

There has got to be some mathematical way to determine from position recordings anywhere back in time to present precisely where the sun should be given a viewing position? I'm no math whiz and it's never been my strong point, but it doesn't have to be for some awareness of what it ought to be able to solve?

Perhaps there are tools online that can be adapted to show the track it ought to be on vs. the track it is on as it appears from here? It just seems like too basic a problem in concept for someone out there not to have made a tool to work out the solution...even if the Sun and Earth weren't necessarily the two bodies something was designed to display?