Norway: Blast near prime minister's office in Oslo

Originally posted by Mimir
reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

 

Maybe because he disaprove with the friendly approach some parties in the country have to the "foreign world". If he feels they are acting in a way that compromise what he think Norway should be, maybe he feels hes actions is justified (saving hes country?).

Saving his country by killing 90 innocent people in cold blood? It's these dangers of fearing "foreigners" that drives nutters to kill their own citizens.

reply to post by A boy in a dress


You're confusing yourself with semantics now, I'm talking about reading people and their intention. There are entire sciences behind this.

Originally posted by zookey
You talk like "atheism" is evil... You now sound like a Christian extremist forcing your views onto others by demonising people who do not share your belief.

Hypprocrocy.

Er, no. Slow down there sport. I'm not Christian - in fact, I'm not religious. This is not the thread to discuss this, but to stop you drawing more incorrect conclusions about me - someone you know nothing about, here's my take on atheism:

The push for a non-spiritual society is a major part of the NWO game-plan. In order to create a society of consumer slaves, you must take away any and all abstract meaning to life which might distract people from pragmatic concerns. It started with the Priests of Judeo-Christianity who eradicated direct contact with the spirit world - in this way the major religions were the first step towards a non-spiritual world. The Judeo-Christian religions are horrible lies and deceptions, but I believe an atheistic world is as potentially dangerous to our liberty and prosperity.

And how exactly does demonising something amount to "forcing your views onto others"?

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Im not trying to justify him, can only say its an insane action.

Wasent the youths on the island members of the socialist party who work for more open boarders and a more human immigrationpolecy?

Danish tv told the terroris also is a member of the free masons (doubt that has anything to do with anything, but maybe those who talk about NWO can use this info?).

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by A boy in a dress

 

You're confusing yourself with semantics now, I'm talking about reading people and their intention. There are entire sciences behind this.

I agree and stand corrected.

Originally posted by Zabadeano
I call NATO false-flag.

That's right, blame everyone but the actual perpetrators.
I see the muslim apologists are out in force as usual.

reply to post by Maslo

This shooting would not help the anti-Islamists at all, so I doubt it.

It WILL not help them.

On the other hand, it shows the dangers of political and religious extremism quite well.

Yes, agreed. That is what the minority is shouting. Who listens? People like to feel important, so they pretend they don't hear.

Extremism that is present in every major religion.

Major religion? Good, we got away from the only-Muslim part. If you would look back on ATS, you will see NUMEROUS people saying there is no Christian extremism(being Christians themselves) and asking for proof of Christian terrorism. Ask and ye shall receive was it not?

Now, I'll ask again: Who has been egging these people on? And then the answer is pretty obvious: Zionist influenced media. Hard to swallow though I bet.

Very weird event, censorship , fear ,are here /right now, most of us Prols(sic) will believe what tomorrows media statements espouse.
On ATS you would expect more discernement but alas its the white christian bigot theme taht is dominating the narrow channels of thought.
Look at the motive , the opportunity, the capability.
This guy had something to gain by executing nearly 90 children in his own mind at least.
He logically is a fanatic or someone offered sanctuary by those who wanted his services.
He was an expert practised killer , so if the so called journos do their job they will join the dots, as opposed to joining the dolts.

Watched another broadcast and reports from victims.. Gives me goosebumps and almost teary eyes.. This is insane, I am sending all my love, thoughts and condolences to Norwegians and Norway.


Peace & love

Originally posted by Gazmeister

Originally posted by Zabadeano
I call NATO false-flag.

That's right, blame everyone but the actual perpetrators.
I see the muslim apologists are out in force as usual.

edit on 23/7/11 by Gazmeister because: (no reason given)

What do you mean the Muslim apologists are out in force? It was A Christian fundamentalist who was the terrorist this time.

Ok, here we go again blup blup. Still showing yourself incapable of civilized, respectful debate. That's a shame - you could have made your points in a more honourable manner.

Originally posted by blupblup
Yes, because if all the citizens have guns that makes everyone safer...

I don't understand your link between the police having guns and the public being enslaved, but then I a dumb member of the the new consumer religion (Atheism... Honestly the most stupid comment I've read on here)

Firstly, there are other threads to debate the rights and wrongs of gun control. I'm pro-gun, not because I like violence or killing (I'm a pacifist) - but I'm pro-gun because I believe a society can never be truly free and democratic whilst the State and criminals have guns and the public do not. To explain my link between the police having guns and the public being enslaved - it's simple. When the police have guns and 'carte blanche' authority beyond what the public have, you have a police state.

As for my 'stupid comment' - again, other threads would be better suited to a full debate on atheism. I'm not religious, but I do believe that societal atheism is more conducive to materialism, hedonism and a breakdown of traditional values. I value traditional values - you don't. That's fine, but don't insult me for having a different belief.

Originally posted by blupblup
Nope... how are you the biggest danger?
You are exactly what the government want..... Social hierarchy... patriotism.

Rejecting social progress, liberalism...

If anything the Left is a bigger danger.

Here I have to take the gloves off. What planet are you on where you honestly think that the Left poses more of a threat to Western governments than the right?!?!

Has it escaped your attention that so-called 'social progress', i.e. multiculturalism and an abandonment of traditional values, is PRECISELY what the State and mainstream establishment of most western countries is currently engaged in promoting and enforcing? Not to mention socialist government fiscal policy everywhere, Liberal court judgements and a clearly left-leaning mainstream press. Look up Cultural Marxism and Frankfurt School Subversion - two brain-childs of the extreme Left. Now tell me that those agendas are not playing out almost word-to-word.

It used to be that Patriots like me were what the government wanted - back when 'right-wing' ideals suited the NWO agenda (Imperialism), but the game has changed. Do you really not see the governments and mainstream media of the western world demonising patriots AT EVERY TURN?!?! I'm amazed that someone can be so blind to the agenda when it's so clear.

Originally posted by blupblup
I don't see any promotion of Atheism by the western world....

Then you need to look harder.

Originally posted by blupblup
NWO.... Blah blah......

Right... you say "blah blah", I see an arrogant ostrich with its head in the sand.

Originally posted by blupblup
If anyone is a slave, It's the religious morons.... mentally enslaved by invisible rulers who watch their every move and judge them all the time.

I actually agree with you there. The Judeo-Christian religions were originally designed and promoted to enslave mankind, and I despise them. But the game has changed and the power of those religions to enslave has run its course. The next stage in the Globalist agenda is to enslave through consumerism and a total abandonment of old/ancient values. Liberalism (notice the capital 'L') is anti-nature. I'm a liberal (small 'l') because unlike you I believe in true liberty, which means free speech and spitting upon political correctness and State-enforced equality. In fact, I spit upon state-enforced ANYTHING.

Now, I'll ask again: Who has been egging these people on? And then the answer is pretty obvious: Zionist influenced media. Hard to swallow though I bet.

posted by maslo

i think that was the correct reason-even if i dont like to say it

Here is a decent (google translated) description of the terrorists background. I dont use facebook but i noticed he got a profile there too if its usefull in any way.


Edit: hehe...the translater translated hes Firstname from Anders to Donald (duck).

Second Norway in Oslo The Police Conducted Bombing Exercise Days Before Terrorist Blast, so does make any connections to the blast?


you dont do police or military Exercises unless there's a huge information coming from within.

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If this is true it changes everything - any evidence to support this

It seems like 91 persons are death so far 84 on the isle and 7 in Oslo.

Also it can appear as the mind behind it a guy Anders Behring Breivik 32 years of age and a member of FRP and FPU. (Fremskridtspartiets Ungdom).

Also in the latest article from VG.no it seems like they are saying it was like meeting Hitler, not that anyone of the youngsters knows how he was I guess. : www.vg.no...

However we do not really know for sure if this has to do with bigger terorist organisations or not.

Thanks,

here is a eyewitness story from a girl who escaped from the island

This is a blog post from a norwegian member of the Labour party who was at Utøya during the shooting. Sorry about any confusion with this being me, complete fail. It's half past six, and I'm also trying to make a new OP with complete information about everything that has happened. I'm still in shock. Just got home. Was driven home by Prableens father from Sundvollen hotell. I'm actually still in shock. I can't get a single tear out. I can't believe it: Today I actually almost got killed. Hunted down and killed. What can I say? The last normal thought I had was about the student organization in AUF. I had just been to a political workshop (it's what we're doing here on Utøya) - and I was on my way up to the AUF-store where I had "guard" duty A good friend of mine came over and told me about the explosion that had occurred somewhere in Oslo. Sick! The government block and Youngstorget?! (place close by). A lot of people were concerned. The mood was, mildly put, not good, many thought that this was Utøyas worst moment this year, but then more happened. I had a lump in my throat. The biggest one ever. We were first called to a information meeting with the leaders so that everyone got the same, and correct, information. This meeting was useful and went well. Almost everyone got hold of their family members in Oslo and got to check if everyone was alive. I didn't get hold of my family for a very long time! When I finally did get confirmation that three of them weren't in Oslo, and the last one was far from the city center - then I could breathe. Properly. I went down to the AUF store. The general secretary Tonje Brenna came over and talked to me. Asked if I needed someone to talk to. Then we heard shots from down the hill. Who the # is kidding now, we thought? Who could possibly believe that this wasn't a joke. Suddenly all the guys on guard duty are running up the hill and shouting "hide!" "Run into the main building" etc. I ran into the outdoors toilet at the AUF store. The shots got closer. I was very sure this was all some kind of prank, but you can't be sure, this day had proven that much. The seconds spent inside that toilet were hell. Slowly buy surely I put my cellphone to vibration(no sound) and I put it in my bra so that I wouldn't loose it. I put my purse on the floor. When I finally heard the voice of someone I knew, I stepped outside. But it wasn't over. We had to run past the NATO toilet (as it was called) and down towards the corner, the right side of the dock. We fell through a lot of bushes and big stones and I got a lot of cuts. We were a group of about 15-20 persons maybe. I was stressed. Matti held me and calmed me down. We ran and ran. The worst part was when we found out he was dressed as a cop: The guy shooting was dressed a chop. #. Who can we trust then? If we call the police - that's the guy that will come to check on things? But we tried to call the cops! They used a #ton of time. I gave my phone to Munir and told him to update facebook, tell everyone with a boat to help us. We ran back and forth when the shots got closer. Matti said we had to swim. But how could I manage that, it was sooo far. Trond Agnar sudden showed up. He said many had tried to swim, but they had ended up swimming back because it was too cold, too long, too hard. But you know what? I'd rather drown than be shot. Sorry. I took of my shirt and with some encouragement Matti I started swimming. It started to get heavy so I had to take of my pants. It was freeeezing. I swam. Matti saved me. He said the right things and did the right tings. He got me to swim - SO long. When we had been swimming for a while Matti said "Kamzy, dont look back. Look straight forward to that piece of land and think about how that's your goal. "Ok" I said. We heard shots all the time, and I'm still surprised Matti and I didn't get hit. (I found out afterwards that he stood there. That was the reason Matti told me to look straight ahead. He was standing right where we had been hiding a few minutes ago. Oh my god! And he tried to shoot us. We were being hunted.) I kept swimming. Then a few boats came and saved us. One of the boats threw out lifesaving vests and then had to go away. The next boat then came and saved us. Even though we were in the boat, I couldn't relax. It was none of the "Yes, we've been saved"-spirit. He can still hit us with his machine gun! I sat down on the deck immediately. I didn't feel safe. Not at all. Some of the people living there helped us when we got to the shore. They gave us towels and drove us to a gas station where the police and the paramedics were waiting. I was in shock. Couldn't press out a single tear. I still haven't realized what has happened? Sunganthan came over to me with my cellphone and was sorry that it didn't work anymore. Dear Sunganthan, I'm just happy you're alive! Anniken Huitfeldt (she's the minister of culture) called me and talked to me. I didn't know who owned the phone, there was just a girl who came over and said Anniken wants to talk. I asked her: "Why the # did the police take such a long time to arrive?" She agreed. And tried to calm me, and ask me what had happened. There was a really nice girl who worked there that gave us warm clothes and something warm to drink. I also got to call my dad. I'm glad he can handle such things a bit calmly - although he was very distressed. And then we went onwards to Sundvollen hotel where everyone was supposed to meet. We registered and gathered up. We were the first who got there. And therefore we could see people coming in one by one, crying their eyes out. I understand them very well. I just didn't understand, and still can't understand, why I couldn't get a single tear out. I wanted out of this this state of shock I'm still in. I want out of here. I rode home to my dad with Prableen. I'm still in shock. Who does something like this? Blows up important buildings in Oslo and kills the future politicians of the labour party who are just attending a summer camp. What wrong have we done?! Those who ressort to violence have run out of arguments. How could he do what he did to my AUF friends? This seems so surreal. I don't get it. I don't understand. I recommend everyone go watch the press conference with Jens Stoltenberg and Knut Storberget "None shall bomb us to silence. None shall shoot us to silence" - Jens Stoltenberg says this, and I couldn't agree more. First and foremost all my thoughts go out the loved ones. This is when we take care of each other. Support and lift each other upwards. Comfort one and other. And show the most loving part of ourselves. But I'm still in shock. And that's why I'm writing this blog. I can't tel the story over and over again. This is what happened to me in a short summary. To me. But the fear that was there all the time... I don't think I'm able to put it into words. We were given messages about who were shot and killed on the fly, but I have left this out due to respect for those who are dead. They deserve better. We don't deserve to die either. And that is why I'm writing this blog. We're just regular youth. We're interested in politics. We want to make the world a better place - I missed the part where WE became the bad guys Thinking about everyone who was out there on the island. I really hope everyone makes it. You deserve better. It was important for me to get this out. It IS important.

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reply to post by Mimir


There a lot of maniacs running round with guns anyway.... this will probably happen again!!

But if like you say he was doing it to save them from having to live in a Country with Islamic Militants then i dunno if i agree... he could have chosen to speak to them instead of shooting them dead!!

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i enjoy the premise behind the type of fear being generated towards police.
i am not saying there is no need for the police, but rather that there is no need to treat me the waythey do, there is no need for the everflowing "YOU ARE SUCH SCUM" vibe they give me, there is no need for me to always fit the description

how i cant just be left alone? i dont know, i think most but not all cops are a**holes

again the facebook page of the killer- horrorful how normal the page is

www.nwgg.de...

sorry i found no other way to page it

Originally posted by alf007
Second Norway in Oslo The Police Conducted Bombing Exercise Days Before Terrorist Blast, so does make any connections to the blast?


you dont do police or military Exercises unless there's a huge information coming from within.

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If this is true it changes everything - any evidence to support this

Maybe this helps

Oslo Police Conducted Bombing Exercise Days Before Terrorist Blast

In yet another example of how almost every major terror event is accompanied by a security drill focused around the same scenario, Oslo police were conducting a bombing exercise at a location near the Oslo Opera House just 48 hours before a terrorist blast hit a government building in the Norwegian capital.

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