San Francisco Police Shoot and Kill Teenager over $2 bus fare GRAPHIC VIDEO

reply to post by newcovenant


i'm just saying that if I was required to defend myself by eliminating a threat to my well being, i would aim for the largest surface area of my target. I believe the goal here was to eliminate the threat to public safety as quickly as possible. I'm no gun expert, nor a cop, but if a missile was headed my way, I would try to blow it out of the sky instead of aiming for a wing.

The person shot was a wanted suspect in the random killing of a 19 year old pregnant women in Seattle, WA. Read today's issue of the Seattle Times for the story and you'll see why he was shooting at police even though they were citing him for transit. Perception versus reality and facts versus perception. This is my first post hello ATS.

First of all, the idiotic and clearly biased title of this thread is a joke. Really, they shot him over BUS FARE?!? Give me a break. And to see the amount of ignorant folks trying to form an opinion about this video based on no facts makes me sick.

That being said, lol, here is my opinion....lol.....he shouldn't have run. But that being said, at least he is no longer going to grow into a bigger and badder criminal. If we killed more of these uneducated, single parent minority street scum like this crime rates would go way down and we would stop spending billions on keeping them in prison. You realize most of the uneducated, poor morons in this video have been shown to have a longer lifespan when they live in prison at our expense? I wonder why that is? Lifestyle choice? I say continue to shoot first and ask questions later. I would have preferred to see them open fire on the crowd, I can guarantee that the majority of them are degenerate punks that will only end up costing us honest, hardworking taxpayers more and more money. At least the dead scum on the ground wont cost us any more money. One down, millions more to go.

I don't care if the dead moron had a gun or not. If the cops thought he might be armed they should take the shot. I would, if I was a cop my life is not worth being put on the line to verify he has a gun or not, if he flinches or does anything that I believe might put me in jeopardy I am going to cut his ass down and not loose a single minute of sleep over it. And neither should the crybabies whining about some imagined police state. Have you people been to these areas? some of these places you can't even get out of your car without putting your life in danger due to the local "innocent until proven guilty" public that live there (all of them on our dollar by the way).

Originally posted by newcovenant
Which means relatively speaking...
unless this was a sharpshooter
the cops did not act in self defense
but in retaliation.

you do know that the Police in every state and across every continent are charged with protecting the community and it's civilians don't you?

They weren't acting in self defense. This was a public safety issue.

reply to post by Sinny

Given the lack of solid evidence, Im going with what on the witnesses said they saw.

The lack of solid evidence? LMAO! What more evidence do you need?

Shell casing
Gun
Videotape of gun on the ground picked up by witness


WOW.........

Originally posted by AnIntellectualRedneck
Whether to shoot him or not is the question, but that's for more practiced folk to decide. But what in the name of God possesses an officer of the law to just stand by while a man bleeds out?

My mind keeps demanding that there must be something else to this. No human being with all the training that cops are given could just sit there while another bleeds to death.

Well, looks to me like they thought he was still armed. The police were also being threatened by the group. I'm sure they were in fear for their safety after the shooting. Bay View is a very dangerous area if your white. If the kid did shoot, then of course he got what was coming to him. Maybe it wasn't the kid at all but someone else who shot at them... I can't believe that ANY police office would just shoot someone in the back just to kill them. Letting the poor bastard bleed out was a bit cruel. Seems to me like they could have approached him and then if he tried to shoot, finish him off. But at least then, they could have maybe stopped the bleeding.

reply to post by bilal16

The person shot was a wanted suspect in the random killing of a 19 year old pregnant women in Seattle, WA. Read today's issue of the Seattle Times for the story and you'll see why he was shooting at police even though they were citing him for transit. Perception versus reality and facts versus perception. This is my first post hello ATS.

Hello, Bilal16.....welcome to ATS.

I agree with your comment. I have stated the same thing in this thread a couple of times, but there are those who choose to believe this man was shot over a $2.00 bus fare ticket...........it serves the purpose of backing up their cop hate speech better than a man firing a gun at officers first does.

Originally posted by bilal16
The person shot was a wanted suspect in the random killing of a 19 year old pregnant women in Seattle, WA. Read today's issue of the Seattle Times for the story and you'll see why he was shooting at police even though they were citing him for transit. Perception versus reality and facts versus perception. This is my first post hello ATS.

QFE / QFT

More than just a shooting people...Guy who ran apparently was wanted for the shooting of a perosn in Seattle.

BTW people on parole - generally not allowed to be in possession of firearms. So by not paying the toll, he violated his P&P. Bu being in possession of a loaded firearm, he is in violation of his P&P.

Whether or not he shoots at anyone, he was going back to jail for the violations.


ContraCosta Times

SAN FRANCISCO -- Investigators say a 19-year-old parolee shot to death by San Francisco police was wanted for questioning in the Washington state shooting death of a pregnant woman.

Police Chief Greg Suhr says the man, whose name is being withheld, fired at officers during a foot chase Saturday afternoon in the Bayview-Hunters Point area. The officers had tried to cite him for Muni light-rail fare evasion.

The San Francisco Chronicle says the man had recently been released from a prison in Washington after serving time for convictions stemming from a King County sex offense.

Suhr says Seattle police detectives were seeking him as a person of interest in last week's killing of 19-year-old Tanaya Gilbert and her unborn child. Three others were injured in that shooting.

Yes the young man fired at police which obviously would lead the police to fire back. I don't think anyone here has disputed that the police were justified in firing back.

The disturbing part is afterward they let him just bleed out and die.. They didn't help him.. They just applied some crowd control until this young man bled to death.

I'm sorry but there is no justification in just letting someone bleed out all over the road when I know for a fact police officers are certified in first aid and would have had the know how to even attempt to save this man's life..

Why would they want him to die?

WAKE UP!
You fing fools. You dont see the clamps being tightened? The noose being wrapped? Whats it gonna take? When are people going to realize that we have the power, we gave the people in power the power they hold so dearly. Its sad that all people do is bicker and complain online. You want change, MAKE it!

Folks, it's only going to get worse, this is going to happen alot, heck it has happened alot already.
It won't just be the police, it will be nearly everyone. It's been this way for years now.

Originally posted by OneEleven

Originally posted by dubiousone

What was he suspected of doing? Failing to pay a $2.00 transit fare? Is that an arrestable offense or an infraction? Is it a capital offense?

Firing at police and endangering innocent civilians....have you read even ONE article pertaining to this event?

Originally posted by dubiousone
Was the dying teenager reaching for a weapon as he lay on the ground bleeding to death? There is no indication that he was.

At the time, there was no indication that he WASN'T. After shooting at police in broad daylight without the concern of innocent lives at risk, it would be safer, and is PROTOCOL to assume that he WAS.

Originally posted by dubiousone

Turns out he didn't have a weapon on his person at all. Even if he did there's no indication that he could have, would have, or in any manner tried to brandish one as he lay on the ground bleeding to death.

Turns out he was a wanted murderer....You really havn't read a single article have you?....And once again, an injured felon considered armed and dangerous is still a felon, considered armed and dangerous.

Originally posted by dubiousone

My sheltered position? What are you, my next door neighbor? Do you know my life story? Go ahead, from your sheltered position in your fortified basement at your computer keyboard, keep on protecting all the pussy cops who can't run a block without wheezing and who need to use their guns to enforce a $2.00 transit fare.

I wish i could afford to be your next door neighbor, but unfortunately i live in an area where i see this sort of thing on a weekly basis...I don't need to know your life story...you've laid your lack of understanding out for all of us to see, and once again, bringing up the 2.00 transit fare, have shown your reluctance to read a single article pertaining to these events....how can you argue one way or the other without knowing what you're talking about?

I have read everything and every post on this thread.

If you took the trouble to read my preceding posts you'd comprehend that I'm critical of the officers' failure to render assistance after the man was shot and lying on the ground bleeding to death. Standing at bay watching him die is unacceptable. He was not reaching for a gun and did not have one in his hands as he lay there bleeding. That's plain to see from the video. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan where the objective is kill those who are suspected of being, or even known to be, bad guys. If those five cops can't control a man whom they've just shot five times and is laying on the ground bleeding to death, then those five cops should look for other employment.

Your response is just a series of deflections from the real issue.

If your point is that it was easier, safer, and more economical for those five cops to stand a safe distance away to ensure that this guy bleed out and die rather than be saved and become a continuing drain on the system's resources and funds, well, then I agree with what you're saying, i.e. that is a lot easier and safer to do that than to act like a real officer of the law.

I do not agree that it was the right thing for them to do. I condemn it. It is wrong for them to do that in a civilized society where the policy is, or at least was, to treat even the worst miscreants as redeemable human souls. I suspect that these members of the S.F.P.D. have been watching too many TV shows depicting the paramilitarization of our police forces as a good thing.

reply to post by DJLateralus


I am sooooo surprised that the people surrounding the police didn't beat the crap or kill the cops. Those cops should be killed for such a crime. That makes me mad!

Not to be racist or sound like it, but did anyone notice how many white cops there were...and that all pedestrians there were of African-American decent? Just an observation.

Originally posted by Skywatcher2011
reply to post by DJLateralus

 

I am sooooo surprised that the people surrounding the police didn't beat the crap or kill the cops. Those cops should be killed for such a crime. That makes me mad!

Not to be racist or sound like it, but did anyone notice how many white cops there were...and that all pedestrians there were of African-American decent? Just an observation.

edit on 18-7-2011 by Skywatcher2011 because: added note

At any point are you going tofix your rectal-cranial inversion and actually read all the info present? Or are you going to just make assinine comments that completely ignore all the facts of the situation?

There was a gun.
Ther eis video of a civilian picking the gun up and walking away.
The guy who fled was on parole.
The guy who fled shot at the cops, as a casing was located.
The guy who fled is wanted in Seattle in connection with the death of a 19year old pregnant woman.

Where is your outrage for her death?

White cops verse black citizens? WTF?
How about we reverse your race card and point out that once again a black person broke the law? So friggin dridiculous its not even funny.

Or are you one of those morons who just want to blame the police because its "the cool thing to do?".

Open your eyes and read would you please.

reply to post by wrkn4livn

Bay View is a very dangerous area if your white.

Your darn right it is. The uneducated, single family, welfare dependent scum that live there are the dregs of American society and one drive through that area would tell any of the whiny posters here that. But hey, I guess it's cool to be a racist scum as long as you hate white people, huh.....lol. We all know the only people capable of being racist are white people and jewish folks, right?

Point blank for those of you too lazy to actually understand reality. He had a gun, it has been shown. He shot at cops. They shot him. Be glad this criminal scum is dead, and not spending the next 20 years in prison ON YOUR DIME WHILE YOU STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND HE GETS BETTER HEALTH CARE, FOOD AND ACCESS TO EDUCATION THAN YOUR HARDWORKING ASS DOES.

Get it now? No, I didn't think so.

reply to post by DJLateralus


I don't see this as a reason to "F the police".

All I see is a mob of people screaming. And mobs are rarely correct. I will wait to hear more.

Originally posted by MainLineThis

Point blank for those of you too lazy to actually understand reality. He had a gun, it has been shown. He shot at cops. They shot him. Be glad this criminal scum is dead, and not spending the next 20 years in prison ON YOUR DIME WHILE YOU STRUGGLE TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND HE GETS BETTER HEALTH CARE, FOOD AND ACCESS TO EDUCATION THAN YOUR HARDWORKING ASS DOES.

Get it now? No, I didn't think so

Interesting point of view. Homeland security probably has something to do with this. Shoot first, ask questions later. For low class citizens, it is better that they die off so it doesn't become a burden on the hard working taxpayer. Sounds like it is part of the big conspiracy to depopulate the globe...starting at the lowest economic life point.

reply to post by Skywatcher2011


However true, if he did shoot at police he got what he deserved.

reply to post by Skywatcher2011


Oh for crying out loud, give it a rest. There is no conspiracy here. You seriously want to tie this into a systematic plan for global depopulation? You do realize how INSANE and PARANOID you sound, right? Why don't you go out of your way to tie this into aliens, ufos and 9/11 while your at it? For crying out loud....and people wonder why your average conspiracy theory can't be taken seriously..........

The REAL conspiracy in this thread is the amount of ignorant folks ignoring reality just so they can take a stab at "the man". What a joke.

Oh, and by the way, google is your thread. Look up prison costs and the make up of the prison population. Then look up the crime rate for the area where this fool was RIOTOUSLY shot, then look up this scum's rap sheet. He was better off dead than sucking off my paycheck's nipple that's for sure. Do you even pay taxes or work for a living? I doubt it.

reply to post by MainLineThis


I have a business degree in accounting, have been running a successful small business for 3 years (which I started in my third year of business studies), and am currently being interviewed by Canada's top 5 chartered accounting firms.

You should stop assuming and also should stop bitching about life. I am not tied up on conspiracy theories like some people. And really I understand where you are coming from. I'd rather say something different than from a group think perspective.