Obama ‘Abruptly’ Walks From Meeting: Cantor

Originally posted by TreadUpon
Now Reid thimks Cantor should be removed from the process because HE is the childish one!

The Boy King must have spoken...

I completely agree with this. I think the GOP could have better people at that table. Cantor is not smart and remember he stands to make a lot of money if the US goes into a default. He shouldn't be there based on self interests alone.

Originally posted by TreadUpon
Now Reid thimks Cantor should be removed from the process because HE is the childish one!

The Boy King must have spoken...

That's an old trick.
Accuse the accuser.
Very boring. Nice try Harry.
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We can all see very clearly who the adolescent is in the White House.

Originally posted by mudbeed

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
The clips i have seen from MSNBC and CBS all point to the
- executive presidential order - being issued by Obama.
Those media companies are helping Obama - lay the foundation - for the
quick and easy fix.
Portray the GOP as - adolescents - over and over again. That way Obama can
declare himself the - adult - at the table.
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The gamble is that he will (NOT?) actually be removed from office in the
U.S. Senate due to the Democrat majority there.
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The Mitch McConnell new plan that Reid and Pelosi - like - complicates everything.
If Obama ignores the new McConnel plan then the Senate - may -
vote to remove Obama from office.
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The impeachment in the House of Representatives is a slam dunk.

edit on 14-7-2011 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

edit on 14-7-2011 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

You need valid reasons to impeach a president. It would be a disaster for our country and the GOP.

Mitch McConnell also was open to an idea that gave president the power to increase the ceiling as were some senate members.

Most political analysts call this move a "punt" in which they punt the issue to the president and make him deal with the fallout of the American people due to the increase in debt.

My point is all sides are playing games and playing to their party rather than doing what most people in this country wants.

Sure we vote them in, but then they completely ignore the truth and lie to us in the process all in the guise of political bickery.

Oh! I disagree. The Impeachment and Removal of Obama from office would most definitely
be the - salvation - of our great nation.
It's simple.
Remove the socialist and put a capitalist in charge.
Think it through. The Republican U.S. Senators are thinking it through.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by TreadUpon
Now Reid thimks Cantor should be removed from the process because HE is the childish one!

The Boy King must have spoken...

That's an old trick.
Accuse the accuser.
Very boring. Nice try Harry.

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We can all see very clearly who the adolescent is in the White House.

Yeah but wouldn't you say that Obama is the only one on both sides who is compromising?

Does that really make him a child or does that make him a good leader?

I personally think the latter. I want my president to work with both parties rather than partisan crap.

The only time I've seen Obama be partisan is when he called out Paul Ryan's bill.

To be honest most Dems and Republican (people not politicians) were scared of that bill.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by SpaDe_

 

He has no idea he has lost the "people?"

In early 2009, that threat would have carried some weight, but not now! Let him plead his case to the people with his false fear-mongering, and toothless threats! The people are already suffering; we are already feeling the inevitable depression; we are already in the mud, we are eager to let the house of cards fall, and let the rebuilding begin!

Go ahead Mr. President. Let them call your bluff. Shut the whole dam thing down. Send the Fed employees home. Hold the checks of the soldiers and the seniors.

Lets get this show on the road!

Hey Rand Paul... Since you're patriotic enough to hold up the vote on the Patriot act to express common American concerns about it, don't you think it's time to vote on an emergency bill that 'ends the payoff' to stalemate government?

If government shuts down, and our most valuable asset - our military - doesn't get paid... why should government? NO CONGRESSIONAL PAY, NO REPRESENTATIVE PAY, NO SENATORIAL PAY, NO PRESIDENTIAL PAY...

Then lets consider the UNEMPLOYED...

Gee, doesn't this smell like the approach of MARTIAL LAW ATS?

Get ready people...

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Oh! I disagree. The Impeachment and Removal of Obama from office would most definitely
be the - salvation - of our great nation.
It's simple.
Remove the socialist and put a capitalist in charge.
Think it through. The Republican U.S. Senators are thinking it through.

You just said they were all Corporate fascists and now you are calling him the great Socialist.

FYI most americans don't think Socialism is a horrible thing. In fact most know it is a scare tactic term.

Our Bill of Rights and Constitution is a form of socialism, is it not?

Also, I do not see any job killing of the public sector. UPS is doing very well versus the USPS, would you not say?

reply to post by getreadyalready


Thats exactly what I am saying! Lets do this already....stop pu**y footing around and get the show on the road. It is inevitable so why continue the madness. I mean....if we keep doing the same thing nothing changes.

Obama had his chance and his glory. Its over!

Out with the Federal Reserve and in with Ron Paul!

reply to post by mudbeed


Obama is just putting on a GOP Dog & Pony show at the White House.
Simply - appearing - to be looking for a compromise.
In reality Obama has already poisoned the well with numerous - sacred cows -.
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By going through with Dog & Pony show he can then go directly to the
American people and declare that he has tried hard to find a solution with
Republicans in both houses of government but has - failed to do so -.
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I am therefore forced to be the adult at the table and issue an -executive presidential order -
to raise the debt limit $2.4 Trillion.

reply to post by Kitilani


Both childish but there is a difference, Canton needs to rally the House to vote overwhelmingly (no small feat considering what their constituants expect from them).... then there is Obama a single person that needs to make a decision to sign or veto.

Obama has much more flexibility than Cantor because he makes the decision, Cantor needs to take whatever they decide back to the House and see if it will fly, Obama does not.

my 2 cents...

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Well we cannot default on our obligations because guess what, if we default and our AAA rating is lowered then interest goes up and that 14 trillion dollar interest payment goes up as well putting more strain on the economy. Whatever is decided our bills needs to get paid and our interest levels stay low...

Originally posted by mudbeed

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Oh! I disagree. The Impeachment and Removal of Obama from office would most definitely
be the - salvation - of our great nation.
It's simple.
Remove the socialist and put a capitalist in charge.
Think it through. The Republican U.S. Senators are thinking it through.

You just said they were all Corporate fascists and now you are calling him the great Socialist.

FYI most americans don't think Socialism is a horrible thing. In fact most know it is a scare tactic term.

Our Bill of Rights and Constitution is a form of socialism, is it not?

Also, I do not see any job killing of the public sector. UPS is doing very well versus the USPS, would you not say?

OOPS! Haven't you heard?
Socialism doesn't work. Eventually you run out of other peoples money.
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Free Market Capitalism does work and it will save us.
Obama truly - HATES - free market capitalism.
He wants the U.S. Government to grow the economy NOT the private sector.
Ken Langone from Home Depot spelled it out very clearly.
He says based on the - actions - of Obama he definitely hates the private sector.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Actually I agree with Reid.....and Cantor. Remove them all from the room, and put some people in there that will make decisions, and debate, and legislate, and govern!

I will gladly replace any one of them! If someone walks out of the room again, lock them out.

How about the people issue a resolution, we could call for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution. We could demand the Debt Ceiling never be raised again without a popular vote. We could demand the entire Congress be accountable to their own laws, SS, Medicare, and loot their retirement fund for the good of the people!

Here is my solution:
1. Republicans need to give up the fight on extending the tax breaks. The Dems win that one.
2. Dems have already agreed to give up the fight on budget cuts, but it needs to be even deeper, we need to scale back government similar to the Ron Paul "Snow Day" plan.
3. We need a Constitutional Balanced Budget amendment.
4. We need a guarantee that not only will the debt ceiling stay where it is, but it will be incrementally lowered over the next several years. We need a "hard ceiling" for tough economic times, and it should be 75% of the GDP, and we need a "soft ceiling" for normal budgetary years that is more like 30-50% of the GDP. Anytime the debt breaks the soft ceiling, it automatically generates an emergency session for Congress, and we immediately take actions to lower it below that "soft ceiling" or acknowledge that the economy is waning and we need to designate an emergency to allow the debt to approach the hard ceiling.
5. We need a "fair tax" law. My personal recommendation is 15% income tax on all income above $20k per adult and $10k per child. With that system, a family of 4 woule not pay any tax on the first $60k, and everyone would pay the same 15% after that. We could shrink the IRS dramatically, and eliminate the need for expensive tax attorneys and tax lawyers. We would incentivize the wealthiest people to pay their tax, because it would be more affordable than paying exorbitant fees to fight the tax. We would incentivize new business growth, because the fear of complicated tax reprisals and penalties would be gone.

There you have it. I also have a thread on my profile about my plans for solving the immigration issues.

This all started as a little bit of a rant and a joke, but I am quickly convincing myself that we actually need people like me and the other ATSers instead of people like Cantor, Obama, and Reid.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Obama is just putting on a GOP Dog & Pony show at the White House.
Simply - appearing - to be looking for a compromise.
In reality Obama has already poisoned the well with numerous - sacred cows -.
-----------
By going through with Dog & Pony show he can then go directly to the
American people and declare that he has tried hard to find a solution with
Republicans in both houses of government but has - failed to do so -.
-----------
I am therefore forced to be the adult at the table and issue an -executive presidential order -
to raise the debt limit $2.4 Trillion.

I think they are putting on a DEM and GOP dog and pony show... not just a GOP one.

I think you are giving too much credit to the whole appearances.

To be honest, there are many times Obama could have pulled the whole "GOP is this/that" garbage.

He has only done it once that I can remember and that was the Paul Ryan bill.

The Paul Ryan bill was horrible for all of us. I read it. It was disasterous and only served the wealthy.

I do tend to think he is being a good moderator and it is other parties that want us to believe otherwise for their own interests.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Actually I agree with Reid.....and Cantor. Remove them all from the room, and put some people in there that will make decisions, and debate, and legislate, and govern!

I will gladly replace any one of them! If someone walks out of the room again, lock them out.

How about the people issue a resolution, we could call for a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution. We could demand the Debt Ceiling never be raised again without a popular vote. We could demand the entire Congress be accountable to their own laws, SS, Medicare, and loot their retirement fund for the good of the people!

Here is my solution:
1. Republicans need to give up the fight on extending the tax breaks. The Dems win that one.
2. Dems have already agreed to give up the fight on budget cuts, but it needs to be even deeper, we need to scale back government similar to the Ron Paul "Snow Day" plan.
3. We need a Constitutional Balanced Budget amendment.
4. We need a guarantee that not only will the debt ceiling stay where it is, but it will be incrementally lowered over the next several years. We need a "hard ceiling" for tough economic times, and it should be 75% of the GDP, and we need a "soft ceiling" for normal budgetary years that is more like 30-50% of the GDP. Anytime the debt breaks the soft ceiling, it automatically generates an emergency session for Congress, and we immediately take actions to lower it below that "soft ceiling" or acknowledge that the economy is waning and we need to designate an emergency to allow the debt to approach the hard ceiling.
5. We need a "fair tax" law. My personal recommendation is 15% income tax on all income above $20k per adult and $10k per child. With that system, a family of 4 woule not pay any tax on the first $60k, and everyone would pay the same 15% after that. We could shrink the IRS dramatically, and eliminate the need for expensive tax attorneys and tax lawyers. We would incentivize the wealthiest people to pay their tax, because it would be more affordable than paying exorbitant fees to fight the tax. We would incentivize new business growth, because the fear of complicated tax reprisals and penalties would be gone.

There you have it. I also have a thread on my profile about my plans for solving the immigration issues.

This all started as a little bit of a rant and a joke, but I am quickly convincing myself that we actually need people like me and the other ATSers instead of people like Cantor, Obama, and Reid.

Quoted because you are 100% correct.

All of those things need to be done. They both need to give in for whats best for the country.

You should add to get rid of Lobby Groups altogether. They can be represented as the rest of us are, via our vote.

The problem is the parties in this country are so scared about their own demise that they do anything to prevent it including harming our country. We need to put something in place that does away with self-interests.

I have no idea how we can do that without removing freedoms.

Does anyone here have any idea on how to remove party interests from our country. To hold them to a high standard and force them to only think about our country?

Perhaps a benefit program. They get paid based on how well the economy does? Thats what companies do. If they fail (like they have been) they get paid squat...when our country does better so does their pocket book?

Maybe that would align their self interests with making sure the country is actually doing better.

Not only does this just show everyone in this country but also around the world how our government looks like a bunch of overgrown spoiled kids, but what I am starting to really get about it the way they act....totally reflects badly on how "we the people" are assumed to act. This looks extremely bad on all of us, thanks to the juvenile, puff my chest up and hold my breath til I get my way thinking, of a few "in charge".
It's not just the Democrats or just the Republicans or The Tea Party or just the Chief in charge. It's the whole stinking, corrupt, spoiled, removed from what is reality, in my ivory tower, lot of them up on Capitool Hill (and yes...I did say Capi"tool" on purpose). Greed and silver spoon sucking at its absolute finest.
The only reason it's an even an "issue" to those a**hats, is it may in same way grossly effect their overall bottom line in the end....now they CAN'T have that can they?
It's not even close to being about the "people". Not us common ones anyway. Maybe once they do take away all of what we have left...they will realize very quickly what happens when you take away everything a man has and has worked for (an by man I mean women too....not to leave anyone out of this) and leave them with nothing left to lose.
They are attempting always to play us like a well tuned drum. I think it's rapidly coming to a time that they may have their sticks taken away and the drum heads removed. Until someone comes along that can respect the instrument, the song and the groove.
It's about time (for us all) to have self and selfless respect for what is around us and realize we are all on this same bouncing ball in the universe together. Better to start acting with a little more compassion, respect, responsibility and forward thinking and keep our heads out of the self centered hole it seems so firmly placed in at the moment.
Just an opinion.

It seems to me that it's time for both parties to come up with a good plan for the economy.

First, cut spending. I think that they seriously need to look at reductions in military spending as well as examining all federal programs to see if they actually have a positive outcome or that they can accomplish what they are supposed to do. I recently read an article that claimed the Head Start program is not producing any significant results in helping poor kids do better in schools.

Second, both parties need to take a look at how tax incentives are being passed out to businesses. Do they help with keeping people employed? Should exemptions not work when a company is reporting a significant profit? If the country is broke, why pay money to companies that are making money.

Third, both parties need to examine the handouts that are given to corporate farmers to NOT GROW food. I personally know one farmer who hasn't grown a crop in over 20 years and he makes a significant income from the government.

If our country is broke, lets all work together to fix it.

Originally posted by marinesniper0351
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Well we cannot default on our obligations because guess what, if we default and our AAA rating is lowered then interest goes up and that 14 trillion dollar interest payment goes up as well putting more strain on the economy. Whatever is decided our bills needs to get paid and our interest levels stay low...

Well, if you would have watched Hannity last night you would have seen the - truth -.
There will be no default.
Here is the truth. Some of you may want to cover your eyes.

The U.S. Federal Government takes in over $200 Billion every month! Wow!
If we pay the interest payments on ALL of our Treasury Notes that only costs $29 Billion.
Paying ALL of the Social Security checks costs us $49.2 Billion. Wow! Really??? Wow!!!
Paying Medicare and Medicaid costs us about $50 Billion
Paying active duty military costs us $2.9 Billion
Veterans costs us another $3 Billion.


Add that up and we still have $39 Billion left over.

Well, so much for that - default thingy - that the democrats have been spreading around.

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Big fat bummer! The American public actually found a calculator! Obama is a liar !!!


After making the important payments, THEN we would have to prioritize.
OMG! Planned Parenthood and other - sacred cows - would have to be
- defunded-. OMG! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

This is why we need a viable 3rd party, the 2 party system is broken we need a party in the middle to get things done.

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DOUBLEPLUSGOOD!!!!!
that's actually some of the best ideas i've heard!!

I'm reminded of the Mexican standoff at the end of Reservoir Dogs. In the debt negotiations, it doesn't matter if Joe is the republicans, or Nice Guy Eddie is the democrats, or Obama is Mr. White, or any other combination. All I know is that the USA is Mr. Orange bleeding the hell out on the floor while these three guys posture at each other, not willing to give in.