The FALL of CHRIST'S CHURCH has begun, ONE WORLD FAITH is almost here.

Originally posted by aorAki
When the information in the OP about the events in Otautahi/Christchurch are wrong, then the rest of her posts can be taken with a grain of salt. Nobody cares though, they're just involved in a religious debate to-ing and fro-ing and full of bluster without even bothering to check the facts of the OP.

Crazy religos.

You would argue over a dime on the ground would you not?

Here read two articles and decide for yourself if I told any lies!

And by the way it is Christchurch, not that other stupid name you quoted.

The cathedral lost its celebrated stained-glass Rose Window and more of its structure on Monday when a 5.7-magnitude quake was followed by a 6.3-magnitude shock.

It had already partially collapsed and lost its tower as a result of the February 22 quake, which claimed 181 lives.

Recent reports said the additional damage could see the 19th century church demolished and moved west.

But its dean, the Very Reverend Peter Beck, today said that shift would be done to keep the building at the heart of the city centre.

"For so many people this building is the heart of the city. The founders of Christchurch intended it that way.

"If it should be that the centre of the city shifts and moves west then our expectation would be that the cathedral moves with it."

Mr Beck conceded engineers' reports on the damage to the cathedral were bleak.

www.starcanterbury.co.nz...

New Zealand Icons To Be Demolished

Everyone thought the devastation of the February 6.3 quake that killed 181 people was bad enough. However, it has taken a 6.0 tremour in June 2011 to smash the stained-glass rose window of the iconic Christchurch Anglican Cathedral, compounding the earlier damage.

Bishop Victoria Williams said the cathedral, which had been a symbol of the South Island garden city for 130 years, was structurally compromised when its western wall toppled and the entire building may now need to be demolished.

www.tropicpost.com...

What's interesting is that a April fools joke predicted the demise of the Cathedral only a year earlier.

Found this article on the front page of a local community newspaper dated Sunday April 1, 2007.

Huge cracks found, $110m repairs to costly.

Bulldozers will move in to demolish the Cathedral this week after huge cracks were discovered in its foundations when major renovation work started last month.

The article goes on to say that the Cathedral cannot be rebuilt on the site in Cathedral Square, because of conditions on its 19th century building permit.

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Cassiopeia images show a swastika shape on the Moon.

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Google earth reveals navy barracks:

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Colorado International Airport 5 armed swaztika, like the milky way galaxy has 5 arms.

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I suppose some of you can go ahead and embrace your new homeland security sponsored religion, knowing how much the Nazi's disliked Christianity and Judaism, far too loving for their tastes.

But us wide awake folk will be ensuring others wake up as well.

My latest thread is on grass roots papers in our communities, that should be run by the First Nation People and citizens to flex their muscles and report the real new. The fourth reicht won't have an arm to stand on.

Originally posted by one4all
reply to post by WhoKnows100

 

Listen lunatic being anti-christian has nothing to do about hate and everything to do about love,love of humanity that is.

The OP shows no hate and isn't even anti-christian ,the OP simply is able to view all religions from an open-minded unbiased perspective.

If you are religious as soon as you tap your mouse to enter this thread you are biased and brainwashed ,you actually believe in an imaginary deity.

Think of it this way ,if you are religious you are like a person walking around with a cold or a runny nose,sick and weak,sneezing your virus over everyone around you,shuffling your feet as you drag yourself around.


To even be on a thread discussing this insane topic is bad enough ,but to have to do it to support a reality that is threatened by religious nut-bars is just to much,come on say it again just one more time please,,you just gotta have faith,you just gotta believe AND GOD WILL DO THE REST.

Here is some news religious victims ,believing and having faith is a humans true power,you create the idea of god, without your belief and faith there is no god, SO YOU MAKE HIM BY BELIEVING together as a group,this means you are actually gods creators and are responsible for all action committed in his name, if that's the case you all ought to realise what the prospect of a one world government means to you and yours???


This thread is great aside from the religious sniveling, the OP has the right ideas and some are new to me but ring true ,I guess the world is at the point that most of us just don't want to listen to the drones of religious BS their way through our reality anymore collecting money and power and human energy and focus-----USING LIES AND DECEPTION AND THE SIMPLEST OF PLOYS TO FOOL HUMANS.

*snip*

Just have to say I loved your post.

Thank you.

Originally posted by AprilSky


You would argue over a dime on the ground would you not?

Where you are involved, I certainly would. When you post blatantly wrong information about my beloved Otautahi then I have to step in. See my post earlier which outlines where you have gone wrong. You are misrepresenting information and that makes me question the validity of anything you write.

Here is my reply to your op, from page ten:

Originally posted by aorAki

Originally posted by AprilSky

Many fear this and think it is a terrible thing, actually it is about time because almost all the world believed in almost the exact same religion until about two thousand years ago, that's both East and West. The introduction of Christ and the one true God has lead to mass slaughter, witch hunts etc etc, I for one will not morn it's passing.

Wow, really? Do you have any sources for this?

Originally posted by AprilSky

But before I waffle on too much, I want to show you the evidence that CHRIST'S CHURCH is indeed being pulled down .... literally.

well, I can't refute this except in the name: www.christchurchcathedral.co.nz... (ChristChurch) and it is indeed being deconstructed due to the damage suffered from numerous earthquakes. Historically, the spire has been damaged by earthquakes a few times.

Originally posted by AprilSkyMany will claim it is just natural events and what I am about to show you is merely a coincidence ...??? I am prepared to believe in coincidence to some extent but this is really pushing it ...

Christchurch in New Zealand has suffered some terrible earthquakes of late and when they begun people on the net claimed it was an attack on Christ's-Church and that it would not stop until the Cathedral, the icon of the city and a world heritage building, lay on the ground in rubble and then they would force the people to accept a multi-denominational church in it's stead.

Oh, "people on the net"? Then it must be true!
It's not a World Heritage site (I think you mistook it for Christchurch Cathedral, Canterbury, U.K.) and it is only listed in the New Zealand Historic Places Trust as a category 1 listed building (but still no World Heritage).

Originally posted by AprilSky Well how true this is turning out to be, shortly after this ... because up until then, the almost undamaged Cathedral had stood proud and unmoved by a 7 point quake ... it was then viciously assaulted by a rough earthquake, one that effected only half the city and because of the rouge nature of it, had the impact of a 9 magnitude quake in parts of the city. … and down she came.

Blimey!

Hyperbole much?

It wasn't 'undamaged', but it had been deemed 'safe', but it was subsequently damaged in the Boxing Day 'quake, and then further in the February and June 'quakes. en.wikipedia.org... arthquakes


There was no anthropomorphic quality, it wasn't rouge....uh...rogue; it was an earthquake with exceptional ground acceleration due, in part, to the local subsurface geology. The Cathedral was not the target of any attack. The destruction is due to the construction techniques and material as well as the subsurface geology (think: swamp/river deposits and interspersed beach sands).

Originally posted by AprilSkyThe town square rung out in screams of terror as the great building shock and then crashed to the ground. The whole city was in morning, it was almost unbelievable but they promised us they would repair and rebuild it ... it's huge rose window hung in there all proud and giving us some comfort until yet another attack which broke it and it fell out … I have tears in my eyes writing about this because even though I am not a fan of Christ's church, that building was our heart, our icon, the soul of our city and now it's broken!

Wow!

Hyperbole much?

The whole building hasn't fallen yet, the whole city wasn't in morning (sic), the diocese was adamant about rebuilding as their caught up in the charade of importance of christianity in this city (just look at the increase in domestic violence when the Crustaders lose, when the All Blacks lose, or the obvious poverty-wealth gap that is, in part, driven by location and the First four Ships). I didn't feel comforted by the Rose window. Not before, and not now!

It wasn't an 'attack'. It was a series of earthquakes related, initially, to the Greendale Fault which ruptured on September 4th 2010.

Originally posted by AprilSkyEven before the doom bells had even rung out on the Cathedral, calls started to come in to rebuild it as a multi-denominational Church, to fit in with the New World

Really!!! you want to take down Christ's Church in a city called Christ-Church and rebuild it with a multi-denominational Church!!!

In an increasingly secular society I think a multifaith 'cathedral' would be an excellent idea. The Christian Church is in decline in New Zealand. The 'mainstream sects' : Anglicanism, Presbyterianism, Methodism and Catholicism have had declining populations for years now and the 'replacements' (the Happy-Clappies, the Fundies et al) while enjoying high-profiles aren't making a dent in the figures surrounding secularism vs religion(ism). There has been increasing ecumenicalism in christchurch to try to sidestep the lower numbers.

Originally posted by AprilSkyBut here's the kicker … the exact same thing has happened in Australia, in a land not known for seismic activity ...

Australia does have seismic activity, just not on the same scale as us. en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by AprilSkyThe most important building to be severely damaged was Christ Church Cathedral which dominates the skyline of the city.

Perhaps it was due to its construction methods and materials?

Originally posted by AprilSkyAustralia lies completely within a continental plate and has not been considered as a "seismic" zone.

Originally posted by AprilSkyThis is a huge stupid illuminati type torch, they insulted our Cathedral with a few years back and this is how they had been promoting our city … giving pride to this silly torch, NOT the Cathedral. You note they photograph the Cathedral in such a way as to show it being totally dominated and over shadowed by this torch!

Hmm, and I thought it was about the native plants that were in the area? www.ccc.govt.nz... /chalice/aboutchalice.aspx There are plenty of photographs of the cathedral without the chalice.

Originally posted by AprilSkySo it appears the Fall of Christ has begun and the ELITE want to mark the occasion with the fall of his Church literally … in a place of his name.

Why didn't you mention the 'hollow christ'? The statue of Jesus out the front of the cathedral that was bronze and hollow

and had Maori features?

Originally posted by AprilSkyThere is heaps of suspicious stuff that happened during all of this, that make it highly likely that these quakes were not natural in nature but rather elite orchestrated. Members of FEMA and high officials just happened to leave town one hour before the Cathedral fall down.

Ooh, spooky! Perhaps they were in Otautahi to try to gain some understanding about appropriate responses to natural disasters, particularly earthquakes, as we had a large one in September and they felt they could learn from the response? Perhaps they had plane tickets that required them to leave town?

Originally posted by AprilSkyYeah right ... like it is normal for those type of officials to be in Christchurch a sleepy hollow at the bottom of the world.

It is if they were here to learn about appropriate responses to natural hazards (in particular earthquakes, seeing as we had recent practical experience).

Originally posted by AprilSkyThe navy just happened to be doing exercises that begun that very same morning ...

Gee, the Navy doing exercises in one of our main ports? What ever were they thinking?

I think there are serious flaws in your hypothesis. Not just getting the name wrong, but your description of events is very shady and not as I remember.

I tend towards the natural hazard side of events, not some nefarious network of nastiness that felt they had to teach this to a city in a backwater because globally we are so important and a secret haven for the Cabal.

edit on 10-7-2011 by aorAki because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by tichan55
The Vatican will do something and will create a one world religion.

For centuries the Vatican has attempted to obtain control of Jerusalem, which started with the Crusades.
They want to make the people to beleive that the Messiah that they will put on the world's stage is going to be accepted as genuine.
All of this has to happen in the Old City Of Jerusalem
What they will bring fort is that this "Messiah" will merge the three monotheistic religions, usher in peace and harmony in the world, and solve the Middle East conflict.

The Vatican will proclaim this so-called "Messiah" . However he will be a false one and it and the Vatican will insist that by having a "world government" for example the United Nations the world peace and harmony will be ushered in. This will be a lie, and a fraud, but never mind.
I think that Israel will be stripped of its sovereignty as an independent nation giving way to a "regional bloc of nations" in the Middle East. Israel will be pressured to accede to these demands by all world bodies and the superpowers on the claim that "this is the only way to solve the Middle East conflict.

To convince the Jews to go along this path they will convince them that with the "Messiah" having appeared for the Jews, it is time to start rebuilding the Third Temple- what they call "Solomon's Temple".

Make no mistake about it. The Old City of Jerusalem, as well as most of the eastern half of the city, is what The Vatican is after.

SHIMON PERES CONFRONTED FOR HANDING JERUSALEM TO THE VATICAN ... Palestinians proposed giving Temple Mount to the ...

www.youtube.com...


On September 10 1993, 3 days before the signing of the Oslo Accords Washington, the Italian newspaper La Stampa reported that then Foreign Minister Shimon Peres concluded a secret deal with the Vatican to hand over sovereignty of Jerusalem's Old City to the Vatican. The agreement was included in the secret clauses of the Declaration Of Principles signed on September 13th, 1993 in Washington, DC.


Why?

By the control of the entire Old City of Jerusalem (and not just Church properties) and being able to build whatever Vatican wants on Mount Zion is critical for the program they have planned to put into play in old Jerusalem.
This deal was signed with Israel b y Yossi Beilin and Shimon Peres (in secret and without the approval of the Knesset).

This gives the Vatican and the Catholic not only extraterritorial status to their properties (which is what the bi-lateral agreement the Israeli government signed with the Vatican on December 30th, 1993, put in law) but of control over the entire city as "custodians" under UN presence. In this way the Jews will give up control over the Old City.

I would not be surprise once the Vatican has full control of the Old city of Jerusalem they and NWO Project Blue Beam bring out a False Holographic Second Coming. The technology is there

NWO Project Blue Beam

alternativenewsreport.net... ... oking-gun/

Blue Beam in Cina.
www.youtube.com... ... r_embedded

Loved your posts also

I cover some of the Catholic Churches carry on on page 3

with the pope kissing the Koran and the Jesuits involvement etc etc.

Of course the Catholic Church was responsible for the creation of the Muslim faith also.

reply to post by aorAki


You're just sniveling over tiny minor details, like I say

You would fight over a dime on the foot path and really the tiny details that maybe slightly off, have nothing to do with the relevance of this thread.

Further more you have not even named the city correctly, no one knows it by the name you call it and you don't even live here, you have admitted this in a post else where.

Originally posted by AprilSky
reply to post by aorAki

 

You're just sniveling over tiny minor details, like I say

You would fight over a dime on the foot path and really the tiny details that maybe slightly off, have nothing to do with the relevance of this thread.

Further more you have not even named the city correctly, no one knows it by the name you call it and you don't even live here, you have admitted this in a post else where.

edit on 11-7-2011 by AprilSky because: added more content

Uh, never have I said that I don't live here... and I know a few people who call Chch Otautahi. I have lived here for over twentyfive years.


Don't you like Maori words? It's such a beautiful language.
Yes, the tiny details and not so tiny are off and that is important. If you can't see the importance to detail then the rest of your words are empty.

reply to post by aorAki


The important thing is ...yes the church is destroyed and yes it is probably going to be pulled down and moved.

You live OUT of Christchurch, so far out you are hardly even being effected by the quakes ... your a country boy.

And no one bar a few hick Maoris would call this place by the name you mention.

Originally posted by AprilSky
reply to post by aorAki

 

The important thing is ...yes the church is destroyed and yes it is probably going to be pulled down and moved.

You live OUT of Christchurch, so far out you are hardly even being effected by the quakes ... your a country boy.

And no one bar a few hick Maoris would call this place by the name you mention.

edit on 11-7-2011 by AprilSky because: added words

Ahahaha, I thought you'd show your true colours sooner or later.

I live in the City, and if you look at one of the Christchurch Earthquake threads (or maybe the only true and real value earthquake 2011 thread) you will see I posted some pictures of my street flooded, and the resulting liquefaction. We are still using a chemical toilet.
I live in Woolston , you can't even get that correct, and frankly, you come across as a paranoid, ignorant, illiterate bigot.

reply to post by aorAki


Well I was sure you had said you lived out of town but no never mind, as for me showing my true colours ... there was no Maori settlement here in Christchurch when we arrived and it is typical of you guys to try and rename the place.

You are constantly trying to get us to bend over and give you all more and more. You want to be the elite of this country.

In reality you're bunch of drifters who arrived here not long before we did, in a canoe and you ate everyone that was here before you ... why should I give you any respect?

Originally posted by AprilSky
reply to post by aorAki

 

Well I was sure you had said you lived out of town but no never mind, as for me showing my true colours ... there was no Maori settlement here in Christchurch when we arrived and it is typical of you guys to try and rename the place.

You are constantly trying to get us to bend over and give you all more and more. You want to be the elite of this country.

In reality you're bunch of drifters who arrived here not long before we did, in a canoe and you ate everyone that was here before you ... why should I give you any respect?

Again you are so totally wrong that it's laughable.

A) I'm Pakeha.
B) The main settlement around here was at Kaiapoihia Pa, with valuable seasonal kai (food) gathering grounds around what is now the Christchurch (Otautahi) Urban Area, including many of the swamps which have proved troublesome post September.
C) I'll let you hoist yourself with your own petard regarding your ignorant comments about Maoridom.

reply to post by aorAki


Well if you are not a Maori, you're worse than a Maori, why would you want to call the city some Maori name?

Are you hoping for brownie points?

I heard recently that the Maori did not settle here and in fact there was not a very large population in the whole of the South Island as Maoris preferred the North Island.

I suppose you are one of these people who go on and on about the new populations in New Zealand and how wonderful it is all these new peoples have come to love here, never mind what they are really up to?

That we are now the second rate citizens in this land ... Muslims of course getting rooms for themselves in our hospitals etc etc. Prayer rooms etc being built at our school to accommodate them ... parts of the pool being sectioned off so they can swim without anyone seeing them and on and on and on...

Maoris calling us all sorts of names in parliament, even though we keep giving them more and more land and money and all of this is acceptable why exactly?

Well who knows, it seems the world has gone a little mad.

Worse than a maori?

Well, you really are a little uptight bigot aren't you.

Good riddance, I'm out of this thread. Cripes, with all the misinformation and misrepresentation by you while clutching at straws...

Ka kite ano.

Ngā-pākihi-whakatekateka-o-Waitaha.

Originally posted by aorAki

Ka kite ano.

Ngā-pākihi-whakatekateka-o-Waitaha.

Ha Ha, what a bloody laugh ...

Well good on you you good little suck up.

Good riddance.

Your psychotic rants are part of the reason I dislike Christianity.

Good Day.

Originally posted by JeshurunAndronicus
reply to post by travisirius

 

Seen Zeitgeist have you?

Methinks the point of Jesus Christ was to establish truth and abolish mythology; to set in order that which was only fictionalized and imagined. Also, Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25th, I just want to point that out because people always seem to think that.

Think somebody dying and rising again from the dead would be remembered? Read the Bible, it's in there, in fact it's one of the most popular books of all time, everybody knows about this...oh, wait, it's a book about religion so it can't be true.

I'm just teasing!

Jesus is mentioned in other texts beside the Bible, I think it was previously mentioned by Jordan River, so there you go.

I'm sorry, but I'm skeptical of people who've watched Zeitgeist (at least the first part), that's my bias. I think they haven't done any other research for themselves. Given that I don't know all these peoples' mythology, those who actually existed excluded, I can't give a reasonable response.

But lumping together that all these who you've listed did all these miracles or had significant happenings occur to them isn't true. Nor does this give proof for the validity to Jesus Christ.

The point of Jesus Christ was to have faith where no evidence presents itself. Idiotic right? I thought so, too, before I became a Christian. And don't accuse Christians of being brainwashed -- we are as much as you are into conceiving our paradigms as factual and true.

May God conquer the hearts of men

Pure Ether. Amen.

Well, looks like the thread has degenerated into a Kiwi/Native argument. Not surprising, when the OP placed so much emphasis on a building in New Zealand.

Five pages ago or so, it almost looked as if people were finally about to focus on the biggest issue that this thread offers: A One World Faith or Religion.

Someone mentioned they felt Islam was this coming "one world" faith. The next page or two, and another posted some interesting things about the Pope and the Vatican.

If this is something that "should" worry people around the world, namely, that there might be a plan out there to push a new (or old) religion on everyone, wouldn't that be a better / more important thing to argue about?

JR

reply to post by shansen


It is not a question of giving up the cultures and religion. Its about imposing their religion and culture.
That is what is happening in Europe.

Dhimmitude and impotence from French authorities. Eurabia Update: "'Islamization' of Paris a Warning to the West," by Dale Hurd at CBN, September 3 (thanks to all who sent this in):

PARIS - Friday in Paris. A hidden camera shows streets blocked by huge crowds of Muslim worshippers and enforced by a private security force.

This is all illegal in France: the public worship, the blocked streets, and the private security. But the police have been ordered not to intervene.

It shows that even though some in the French government want to get tough with Muslims and ban the burqa, other parts of the French government continue to give Islam a privileged status.

An ordinary French citizen who has been watching the Islamization of Paris decided that the world needed to see what was happening to his city. He used a hidden camera to start posting videos on YouTube. His life has been threatened and so he uses the alias of "Maxime Lepante. "...
Watch the video


www.jihadwatch.org...

Muslims rally for Sharia law in UK, prompting nationalist protests

uslim protestors gathered in London on Sunday calling for aspects of Sharia law to be introduced in Britain. The rally turned into chaos, sparking a counter-demonstration by English right-wing nationalists.

“We find many of these people who call for human rights and one law,” said Asad Ullah, member of the Muslims against the Crusades group. “They come and they say that they want equality. But what equality do you get when one man legislates over another? Is he not more superior than you? You are worshipping him by submitting to and obeying his laws… We will get oppression like this until we all submit to one law, and that is the law of God.”

rt.com...