You Want Proof, ELEnin <-- Extinction, I'll Give You Proof -- You Can't Handle!!!

This inbound comet is what NASA is saying is Elenin. It's position is right. That's demonstrated. There are no orbiting bodies around it. The video is short scroll down the page.
www.adamite.com...

reply to post by JJRichey


hahah wow I had no idea that was who discovered the comet. I knew new discoveries in the science field are almost always named after the discoverers but I honestly thought the name elenin was an ATS only thing as I don't really do any research into celestial bodies besides our own planet. I bet whoever first realized ELEnin could be made into a doomsday-esque anagram, had the EXACT same reaction as the person who realized RACECAR is the same spelt backwards

I will say I don't really believe in planet X or Nibiru theories.
I do believe it is completely possible that our governments are controlled by several aristocratic houses that would lie to us in any serious event to save their own butts, the cream of the crop so to speak. We all know that governments do lie to us about the simplest of things. After all knowledge is power.

Imagine if you had the power to control the evolution of the human race. Eugenics on a massive scale and using a cosmic event to do just that would be ideal conditions. Its the point where the human race will branch off into a new species. Wealth, power, knowledge, intellect and class are the new tools in the game known as "survival of the fittest" and if you have all of the above you have a better chance of surviving than the average Joe.

Lets say some kind of extinction event does/will happen and the wealthy elite do prepare for this event with the knowledge passed down by their ancestors or by scientific means. They have been preparing for thousands of years by investing in resources, energy, technology, black projects and nanotech, even genetically. Eventually after 2 - 3 hundred years or so of hiding in bunkers they finally come to the surface. With them they bring out all the Tech they have hidden and researched for that past 2 - 3 hundred years. They live longer are more intelligent have better physical appearance and performance and are more resourceful. They follow a new belief system and have maintained all the knowledge of the past to the present.

Meanwhile you had a bunch of average Joe survivalists around the globe that managed to run to the hills and restart a small population. All or most of the past known history of the human race has been forgotten or lost. The only historic knowledge they know is just before and after the catastrophic event. Most of what they know has become a mix of religious dogma, mythology hearsay, and bedtime stories. They live shorter lives are less intellectual have a weaker physical appearance and performance.

Would the elite survivors with all their superior technology help the average Joe survivors?
Would the elite survivors claim to be the fittest new species and begin to wipe out the average Joes? Or would they claim to be gods (just like the pharaohs)

I wouldn't like to say but it all makes great thought candy.

reply to post by Utopian


its REM.

Thought this was interesting and decided to share.

There was a recent episode of Smallville that featured a giant red planet headed on a crash course with Earth. Could this be desensitization ???

SMALLVILLE 10year Final Finale opens with RED PLANET coming around Saturns rings.

Found a picture of what I'm talking about. This was the best I could do as the actual video is copyrighted material. Visit the link below and scroll down to #8, it's the picture below it where Chloe and Oliver are making out and there is a giant red planet partially blocking the sun in the background.

Link to page with picture, scroll down to #8.


On a side note, I don't actually watch this show. I was channel surfing and the big red planet caught my attention.

reply to post by Skellon


IRAS did discover things of significance. Just because you don't think it did doesn't mean that it didn't. If you read the actual original research paper, the authors put very little support behind the planet hypothesis and instead supported the galaxy hypothesis. Furthermore, in order for there to be a cover-up every professional astronomer and their grad students would have to be in on it. I find that to be highly unlikely.

We should start taking names of who's threads get thrown into the trash bin.

That would require more sound research than the threads do.

ELEnin is a planet-sized spaceship.

It will mark the end of the Disclosure embargo.

Wow, seriously guys? I'm not here to take sides on this subject either way, but the Op has a point as far as sceptics are concerned... I don't understand how earlier in the week we have a post about an armless humaoid creature stalking someone in a remote part of england (mind you no proof what so ever other than the ops statement) and everyones willing to immediately chime in with their assistance, and sincere concerns. Now we have a post that has atleast a substanial amount of material to build an arguement from and we are immediatly willing to throw the info out the window? From reading through the posts on this thread alone, most of you didn't even take th time to even give a logical arguement, you all immediatly went to "this is bull". Why is everyone here willing to immediatly assist on the most outlandish posts, but the ones that provide info are immediatly deemed nonsense? The purpouse of this site is to debate, not bash anyone presenting something your not familiar with...If you take the debating out of the debate you all just look like loons talking to yourself. Here's a marvel idea...how about we stop the moronic, unbased one liners and start having real discussions again. If we don't then the purpouse of this site will be lost, and then you will have no place for true discussions.

50 trillion miles away. Ha ha ha ha ha.

So the thread yesterday said that the object was moving towards us from the sun at 3500 miles an hour. At that rate it would take just over 65 million years to travel 80 trillion miles. And yet we are supposed to believe that it got here in a matter of years! And we all know that as it travelled around the sun it would travel faster, so this is a *lower* bound on how long it would take.

In fact, it is nearly 10 light years away. So even at the speed of light it would take 10 years to get here. Not only that, but there are stars which are actually closer than that, let alone minor planets. The article is total nonsense.

These threads are so ridiculous and so full of scientific inaccuracy and ignorance that I cannot believe they are not part of a deliberate pattern of misinformation.

reply to post by mutatismutandis


The proof that Elenin is simply a comet is spread across many topics and keeps getting repeated. Also, this is a very different topic than the other one you were talking about. This topic continues the propagation of fear associated with 2012. We already have people, including children, saying they are contemplating suicide over 2012 and this event. We did have people kill themselves and their loved ones over the Camping prediction. So, I'm going to argue tooth and nail to prevent people from killing themselves and others over a non-event. 2012 and Elenin believers have already made it very clear that they will feel no remorse if people kill themselves over their fearmongering, so it is up to me and the other skeptics to help protect these people from doing something tragic.

Originally posted by Illustronic
We should start taking names of who's threads get thrown into the trash bin.

That would require more sound research than the threads do.

Unfortunately people confuse research with collecting newspaper articles and even more unreliable sources. There's no understanding that in order to do research you have to collate verifiable evidence and analyse it with tools like observation, logic, mathematics, science, etc. Unfortunately these skills have been removed from the curriculum.

reply to post by mutatismutandis

Why is everyone here willing to immediatly assist on the most outlandish posts, but the ones that provide info are immediatly deemed nonsense? The purpouse of this site is to debate, not bash anyone presenting something your not familiar with...If you take the debating out of the debate you all just look like loons talking to yourself. Here's a marvel idea...how about we stop the moronic, unbased one liners and start having real discussions again. If we don't then the purpouse of this site will be lost, and then you will have no place for true discussions.

Have you actually read this thread? Here are some of the more insightful posts. Notice the response they get:

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Through all this, MACchine has never offered any sort of reasoned rebuttal; instead, s/he offers personal attacks.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


I agree whole heartedly...I for one am a strong advocate against fear mongering! Again, I'm not taking sides either way on this issue as I will fully admit I am not informed enough to say either way, and yes the elenin/nibiru posts have been numerous. I just want to know why things are no longer a discussion on matters like this, it seems everyone is just willing to jump the gun. Like you, I wish to see everyone protected. I would hate that just because we've got so desensitized to these end of the world posts that the one time a real event occurs it gets overlooked for it immediately being dubbed junk by the firsts to post replies. If I offended anyone that was not my intentions...

reply to post by MACchine


Thought I'd log in to say ... still waiting on that proof.

reply to post by DJW001


Please see my last post, I'm not siding with the op on this either as op is just as guilty. I would just like to see the healthy discussion again, not the immediate dismissals. If someone has a valid arguement against hist claims then by all means please make it...but the ones with the one liners just to up their posts is getting out of hand...present company excluded

So if (as of the 1983 article) it's as close to Earth as 80 trillion km, that's 49,709,695,378,960 miles.
If you are suggesting this is elenin then you are saying it's traveled 49,709,695,378,960 miles in 28 years. Based on the JPL animation it's traveling around (rounding, this is all rough math based on the article here) 185,000,000 miles a year. So 185,000,000 a year for 28 years puts us at about 5,180,000,000. I don't really need to go any further.. and I promise you I wouldn't have rounded if it mattered.. but when I subtract that possible super rough distance traveled from the proposed (nearest) distance of the object spotted in 83 it still would have to have traveled 49,704,489,853,768 more miles. Notice that the first four digits don't change. Not even close.

I know it's sketchy quick math, but it didn't need to be of a higher quality since it's no sketchier than the original theory and it didn't even need to be close.. or considered really. I could have just said it couldn't have traveled that far in 28 years.

reply to post by Lonewolf032


Stop spreading false information and lies.

80 trillion km does not equal 8 light years

80 trillion km is definately a long way off because that would then be aproximately 8,456 light years away

Wikipedia- Light Year

A light-year, also light year or lightyear (symbol: ly) is a unit of length, equal to just under 10 trillion kilometres (1016 metres, 10 petametres or about 6 trillion miles). As defined by the International Astronomical Union (IAU), a light-year is the distance that light travels in a vacuum in one Julian year.[1]

it would probably be 7.6,7.5 Ly's when you do the math since its a bit under 500,000,000,000 km less than 10,000,000,000,000 km So its safe to say you're lying and spreading dis-information.

Either that

or your math is failing.

reply to post by TheUniverse


Actually, I hate to break it to you but your math has an error.

80,000,000,000,000 / 9,460,730,472,580.8 = 8.456006672196923709675684195881ly

or to round it off 8.456ly

Just to be a picky bugger

To Add

Proxima Centauri is the closest star to our solar system with a distance of approx 4.2ly.......Just to put it all into a little perspective

I thought the connection made between ELENIN & this article from 1983, Planet X, was very intriguing...

Below is a video from a YouTuber (mfromcanada1) basically reading the article to us.