Why do people commit suicide?

It is a simple formula, people commit suicide when their problems exceed their coping mechanisms. That is why one person can have a horrible life and survive, and another kills themselves over 5k dollars. It is the coping mechanisms.
Plus there is a lot of undiagnosed mental illness out there.

reply to post by silent thunder


Bipolars commit suicide just as much during mania as depression because during the manic phase, the brain no longer works at filter and they have no impulse control.
I know widows who had an arguement with their bipolar over who was gonna go out and buy milk and their spouse came and blew their own heads off.
If certain mental illness is not treated, that person does not have control over it. The wrong meds can send someone spiraling.
Nothing more dangerous then a psychiatrist who has no idea what they are doing.

Hurry up and reply, it's offensive that you asked such questions and then don;t appear for the answers, take some responsibility. I feel personally slighted that you have disappeared and chosen to ignore the comments directed at you. Hurry up! You asked a question and it has been answered, how about comments.....

i don't know how to eloquently put it, but do you lack intelligence?

you have no patience for someone who commits suicide because you think it's an easy way out?

seriously, you are extremely ignorant.

1. people can have extremely debilitating internal state of mind. when they feel all hope fled, that's the only way out of intense, severe mental pain.

2. some, and that is some, do it for attention or because they're hurt. but it's not a fleeting fancy - it has to be in the works for a long time, and the pain needs to be serious enough that people do it.

3. accidental overdose: i guess anyone who's using drugs has to account for the possibility that one day they'll overdose.

reply to post by watchitburn


Simple.

They can't cope with whatever pressures in life they have to deal with and become so depressed, even frightened of tackling the issues they feel that they might as well be dead or they know things are going to get worse so they end it before that can happen.

That's the most usual explanation I think.

I feel kinda weird reading your attitude towards people commiting suicide, or trying. I've recently been diagnosed with severe Borderline Personality Disorder(1 ½ year ago), after suffering for nearly all of my life.
When you're in that position you don't think rationally, and if I hadn't been lucky and gotten help, I probably would've tried to end my life..
I remember the only thing at the moment preventing me, was not wanting to disappoint my parents more than I had already done.. Even though they didn't know something was wrong, (they knew SOMETHING was wrong, but they had nothing to lean against) I still felt like a terrible human, and just like a problem..

I still sometimes wonder if I might kill myself when my parents are gone.. It's hard to explain to others why I feel like this, and I don't expect you to understand it, just accept that some of us have some heavy personal demons.

Btw. I went 23 years without help, and I just got into a special therapy. There's only 24 spots a year in my country, and I hope, and think, I will be cured or nearly-cured in 2 ½ years. My dad has a lot of similarities to my disorder, and I'm quite sure he's what you call a "highly-functional borderliner" or an "invisible-borderliner".. You'll never know something's wrong, and it might never show, for some it does one day and many many repressed years come crashing down at once..

Michael

reply to post by watchitburn


Why do you make rubbish threads that YOU can only enjoy,?? hurry up and reply, you have asked a few questions.

Everyone in this thread - Please review your post
If you insulted the OP (I don't care if you ended it with a question mark or not, its still an insult)

YOU don't get it either.

"after jesus and rock and roll - couldn't save my immoral soul well... I've got nothing left - I've got nothing left to lose"

Originally posted by sir_slide

Hurry up and reply, it's offensive that you asked such questions and then don;t appear for the answers, take some responsibility. I feel personally slighted that you have disappeared and chosen to ignore the comments directed at you. Hurry up! You asked a question and it has been answered, how about comments.....

Originally posted by sir_slide

Why do you make rubbish threads that YOU can only enjoy,?? hurry up and reply, you have asked a few questions.

You've obviously got some issues. Calm down a bit.
Have you made any attempt to look at the time stamps within the thread?

Such as the original time when the thread was created?
......or the times of the several replies back from the OP??
.......and maybe the times of your own posts...12 hours later??

reply to post by Forevever

Suicidal Tendencies~
'How Will I Laugh Tomorrow.....When I can't Even Smile Today'






reply to post by Airi81

Of course, the barrier of anonymity is here, but I still applaud you for your post, and just being able to admit it. That is, until I got to the end. This last statement, just does not seem to accurately fit in with the rest of your post. I am assuming, that there may have been a sort of typo, or maybe just mis-worded this final sentence??

Originally posted by Airi81
I have had help since then and have been living on my own since January. The pain has decreased a little and I can now work 3 hours a day so, to me, life is looking up again. The attempt was also a huge learning experience and I know that I will now recognize the signs and attempt it again.

reply to post by BrokenCircles


I cant believe I forgot Jeremy!

reply to post by watchitburn

Originally posted by watchitburn

He didn't show any of the signs you are supposed to look out for. Things seemed to be going well for him. He was a good dude, a hard worker, and he was well liked by everyone.

I have no patience or sympathy for people who try or succeed in killing themselves. I think it is stupid and the easy way out, it is also not fair to your friends and family.

Those who 'show the signs,' may not actually be planning on following through with it. 'Showing the signs,' for some people, is simply a way of asking for help.

I do agree, that sometimes suicide may seem to be the selfish way out. Permanent solution to a temporary problem. But it may not always be for selfish reasons though. Some may view it as a gift. If you truly hate yourself, and feel as if you are no more than a burden to those around you, then you may decide that removing yourself from their presence, is actually doing them a favor.




reply to post by orbitbaby

Originally posted by orbitbaby

One thing suicides don't really consider though. And that is they will eventually be forgotten and the rest of us move on.

You may be partially correct with this, and this may be something that some do not think about.
On the other hand, I think that some want this. Not only is this considered, but it can actually be part of the deciding factor.

Personally, I would prefer to not be remembered at all, as opposed to being remembered as just another statistic. If I have finally had enough, and I give up completely, I would rather be forgotten.





reply to post by gabby2011

Just as there are numerous reasons for one to commit suicide, there are also multiple ways that others deal with the death. How an individual deals with grief, is up to that individual. As stated in the OP, this is the first person that he/she knew that went through with it. Wondering why, is a completely natural response.

Who placed you high upon this pedestal, that causes you to look down on others? How is it your place to tell someone that they are not grieving correctly, when you know nothing about any of the individuals involved?

reply to post by watchitburn


The question “why do people commit suicide” is a difficult one to answer.

I have probably got too much personal experience of suicide, when I was 18 and just about to leave school a friend of mine told me she had just swallowed 48 pills in a suicide attempt and tried to emotionally blackmail me into keeping quiet about the whole thing. Didn’t work because I reported it pretty quickly and she had her stomach pumped. I have had many people tell me they are going to kill themselves as I used to work in mental health, some pretty disturbing stuff.

As a student Nurse only a few weeks ago I walked in to find one of my patients wrapping the cored for her buzzer round her neck because she was psychotic and thought she was in hell and that’s not the worst one I have seen. The worst was walking into a patient toilet to find the guy hanging from a light cord thrashing around and panicking, he had burst some blood vesicles in his face and in the struggle to cut him down his leg smashed into my head.

Most people will blame mental illness, and to an extent I can agree but on the whole people in my experience do it for three reasons. For example in the first example I gave about the girl I knew at school, she done it as a cry for attention, I found out later she was living in what one might call an abusive family and she had underlying depression. The other reason I think people do it is because life is tough, and for some people it’s just easier to end it all and stop the pain, the guy we found hanging had recently been diagnosed with Motor Neurons Disease and for him it was just better to end it. I should stress when I say “easy” I use the term very loosely, for some people life is so darn unfair it’s just that suicide becomes the “easiest” option. The third reason is mental illness, most if not all people who kill themselves are probably in some way mentally ill the question is what factors have lead to their mood becoming so low that they want to kill themselves or what psychosis has led to them almost feeling like they “have” to kill themselves. In the case of the girl who tried to kill herself with the cord for her buzzer, she thought she was in hell (literally) and it was the only way out.

For you, OP, and anyone else who is reading this I think a suicide prevention course could be a good idea, you never know when a friend is going to convey suicidal thoughts to you and how you deal with that could prove to be the difference between life and death.

reply to post by BrokenCircles


If anyone missed this post, please go back and read it.
BrokenCircles is brilliant.

reply to post by watchitburn


Something I was once told on my first day in a mental health ward. I asked what I should do if a patient was to express suicidal thoughts, the charge nurse responded by telling me that I should report it but in reality the ones who discuss committing suicide rarely go through with it because for them it is a cry for attention and that the ones you really had to watch were the guys who said nothing about suicide. It was explained to me that if a person is determined to go through with suicide they won’t say to you “I am going to kill myself” they will say “I am going to kill myself and this is how....” or they won’t say a thing. On the whole this has always been true in my experience.

Originally posted by sir_slide
Hurry up and reply, it's offensive that you asked such questions and then don;t appear for the answers, take some responsibility. I feel personally slighted that you have disappeared and chosen to ignore the comments directed at you. Hurry up! You asked a question and it has been answered, how about comments.....

Some people have jobs and other people depending on them to get things done outside of ATS.

Originally posted by gandalph
i don't know how to eloquently put it, but do you lack intelligence?

you have no patience for someone who commits suicide because you think it's an easy way out?

seriously, you are extremely ignorant.

1. people can have extremely debilitating internal state of mind. when they feel all hope fled, that's the only way out of intense, severe mental pain.

2. some, and that is some, do it for attention or because they're hurt. but it's not a fleeting fancy - it has to be in the works for a long time, and the pain needs to be serious enough that people do it.

3. accidental overdose: i guess anyone who's using drugs has to account for the possibility that one day they'll overdose.

I don't think a lack of experience with a subject is relative to intelligence. I think it would be unfair for me to judge your intelligence based on your grammar and punctuation.

How much I would love to share my experiance here.
But I just can't put it into words.

That in itself is a side of this, not being able to tell/talk about it because it just can't be expessed correctly.

For everyone else. Thank you for your replies. You all have definitely given me a lot of information to think about.

Today we all sat around and drank some beer, and talked about all the good times we shared with our friend. As I said before, no one is going to judge him based on his last act. He was a solid guy, and he worked hard every day.

But like I have said throughout this thread, my opinions are my own. You can feel free to disagree with me if you want, and I will do the same for your opinions. I don't understand most of your points of view, and I don't expect you to understand mine.

There are no winners here.