Why do people commit suicide?

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Many of my friends have no idea Im bipolar. Its hard to see sometimes.

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Maybe because they realized this life is filled with nothing but bull#..

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Pulling a trigger may be easy, but living with constant depression isn't. I say this with first and second-hand experience. Depression literally changes the form of your brain.



Every day is a challenge when you live with that #. Everything becomes meaningless to you. Every task seems impossible and like you'll inevitably # up. You can't think of a single thing you'd rather be doing other than sleeping... then you get to deal with nightmares that make you feel even more exhausted when you wake up.

Originally posted by MachiventaMelchizedek
I understand for some of you, this may be hard to understand. But why would you want your friend or anyone for that matter, who trully isnt happy with life anymore; to go on living? These people are in immense pain real or imagined. I believe its their rights as a human being.

I agree everyone has the right to end their life if they choose to. But if you are part of a team and other people depend on you. You can choose to not be selfish and maybe ask for help.

How did they kill themselves? That in itself can tell you alot about their thoughts...

reply to post by watchitburn



First off, this is a definite confirmed suicide..correct? (you never know)

Next, the fact that you have no empathy or patience for anyone who even attempts it, and blatantly go on to push it as an act of selfishness...blah blah...
....yet you are so CALLOUS as to come on website like this, when you're so called "work friend" commits suicide, so you can personally trash him/her on international level. How sad...truly sad...and how selfish and self serving of you. "Friends" Like you, I can do with out.

Its that type of attitude that drives people to the brink, coupled with many other things. The last thing we need to do is judge someone in that frame of mind. You have not walked in everyone's shoes.

Originally posted by watchitburn
reply to post by Phasma

 

I agree, I don't understand their circumstances or reasoning, But this is just my viewpoint. While mental illness is possible it is highly unlikely, we all know each other pretty well and spend alot of time together. While I am not a psychologist I am familiar with some forms mental illness. Another one of my co-workers was just recently committed to the hospital for psychological issues.

reply to post by BirdOfillOmen

 

Pulling a trigger is very easy, Addressing and fixing problems is not so easy sometimes.

reply to post by Forevever

 

I will look into Bipolar II but as I said it is unlikely to not have been noticed.

Thank you for your response.

My point is that people do not kill themselves without reason. There is always a reason, whether it be real or imagined. Numerous mental illnesses can go undetected. It seems as though if you were as close to the individual as you claim to be, you'd be feeling some grief. If you weren't close enough to feel any emotion, you either didn't know the person as well as you'd like to think you did, or you're sociopathic (and I don't think you are).

Pulling a trigger is not easy by any means. It usually takes a lifetime of contemplation for people to feel that is their only way out. Some problems cannot be fixed, especially when you get into mental issues such as schizophrenia. Sure, there's medicine. Medicine that in some makes their condition worse, or causes other mental ailments. This is just an example.

The same goes with terminal illness. Try fixing that whilst suffering and knowing that the inevitable will be a painful, slow process if you choose to live.

Originally posted by neonitus

I think it is stupid and the easy way out

yeah i'm sure its a real easy thing to do, probably did it on a whim huh.

also, you dont sound like you were much of a friend.

I would have helped him anyway possible, all he had to do was say something, If he didn't want to talk to me there was no shortage of people who would have dropped everything and bent over backward to help him.
And if we couldn't help him we would have found someone who could.

Thats what being a team means.

Just because I don't have feelings doesn't mean I wasn't his friend.

Originally posted by MachiventaMelchizedek
Sorry to here the news, imho i believe its the right of every individual to end ONE'S OWN LIFE. For whatever reason not apparent to family and friends these people are not happy with life.

I agree with this, strangely enough. My reasoning is that nobody asked to be born here on this earth (as far as we know).

I also disagree with the relentless medical-izing of suicide. By always, always saying it is an internal, psychological problem, its a kind of cop-out that keeps people from having to examine social or interpersonal factors that may have been every bit as responsible for the suicide as some kind of internal pathology.

Originally posted by Phasma

Originally posted by watchitburn
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I agree, I don't understand their circumstances or reasoning, But this is just my viewpoint. While mental illness is possible it is highly unlikely, we all know each other pretty well and spend alot of time together. While I am not a psychologist I am familiar with some forms mental illness. Another one of my co-workers was just recently committed to the hospital for psychological issues.

reply to post by BirdOfillOmen

 

Pulling a trigger is very easy, Addressing and fixing problems is not so easy sometimes.

reply to post by Forevever

 

I will look into Bipolar II but as I said it is unlikely to not have been noticed.

Thank you for your response.

My point is that people do not kill themselves without reason. There is always a reason, whether it be real or imagined. Numerous mental illnesses can go undetected. It seems as though if you were as close to the individual as you claim to be, you'd be feeling some grief. If you weren't close enough to feel any emotion, you either didn't know the person as well as you'd like to think you did, or you're sociopathic (and I don't think you are).

Pulling a trigger is not easy by any means. It usually takes a lifetime of contemplation for people to feel that is their only way out. Some problems cannot be fixed, especially when you get into mental issues such as schizophrenic. Sure, there's medicine. Medicine that in some makes their condition worse, or causes other mental ailments. This is just an example.

The same goes with terminal illness. Try fixing that whilst suffering and knowing that the inevitable will be a painful, slow process if you choose to live.

The METHOD of suicide and state of mind is the all telling means by which someone decided down that road.

I have mucho experience with suicide. My brother, who was schizophrenic,
got sick of being sick and he went out to the barn in the middle of the night and
hung himself. He told me he would hear voices and they'd tell him to kill
people. He said he would never hurt anyone and would kill himself before he
did. And he did.

5 years later I went to visit a friend and found him after he had taken a
.44 to his head. Alcohol and drugs, that one. Had he not been drinking
I think he would still be alive today.

3 years later my nephew pulled his Harley into his garage, shut the door,
and started her up. He began writing a note but was dead before it was
finished. Not sure what happened there. No one saw that one coming.
He had a good job, had just been promoted and was getting married.
But there was evidence that he had been planning it for several months.

2 years after that, I was partying with my best friend Bob and his girl of the
moment. At one point, Bob went into his bedroom, when he didn't come out
I went to see what he was doing. His friend walked in ahead of me. I heard
her scream NO! and just as I walked in Bob pulled the trigger of his .38 which
he had resting up against his head. Bob had been depressed about a work
injury and subsequently losing his job. But he was a strong individual.
Again, had he not been drinking I'm sure he'd still be here today.

There's been other friends who have done themselves in as well. There's a million
reasons why people take their own lives. But alcohol, drugs, and/or mental illness
are probably the biggest reasons why. It sure is a selfish thing to do. But when your
in that state of mind your usually incapable of being anything else. They don't think
about the people they leave behind and what it does to them.

But I will tell you this, wherever they have gone, I believe they have had to pick up
right where they left off and that's a hell of a place to start. I don't feel angry with any
of them because of this. At least no anymore. I just pray they are ok wherever they are.

One thing suicides don't really consider though. And that is they will eventually be forgotten
and the rest of us move on.

The question isn't "Why do people commit suicide?" The question should be "Why don't more people commit suicide?" At least that's what a character in Dostoevsky's "The Devils" says. It's a very dark paragraph, it's correct and logical, but it's dark. There's another question brought up, "Suppose a huge rock, the biggest you can imagine, was hanging over your head, Would it hurt if it fell on you? Would you be afraid?" (not exact quotes, but close enough)

I don't want to hijack the thread by any means, but I've been a practicing psychic medium for years.

In reading this thread, I felt a blunt force trauma to my head and back. Almost like a splattering effect. Do you think it may of been possible that your friend was homosexual and was afraid of the scrutiny he'd receive?

I'm just going out on a whim, but that'd be my hunch.




As someone said, it can be very hard for someone who hasn't experienced deep enough depression to understand why someone would kill themselves. It's just how it is.

reply to post by watchitburn

Just because I don't have feelings doesn't mean I wasn't his friend.

Were you really his friend..what kind of office vibe was really there? Did people feel free enough to talk about intimate details in their life,without the office gossip rumor mill going full force...with people "judging' you behind your back..?

If you were his friend ,I don't understand why you can't have a lil more respect for his memory, instead of publicly trashing him ..a day later...? Maybe he really did know who his friends weren't"?

Suicide (when not dealing with a imbalanced person) is a sign of hopelessness, a endless attempt to try something and a inability to see anything changing ever, only getting worse.

Its a sad thing, and if you don't respect his final decision, then perhaps at leasy sympathise with his pain beforehand...how he felt he couldn't talk to anyone, at least seriously about his issues...

Who knows how many times he tried to reach out only to be ignored.

It sucks that he died..Why do people commit suicide? who knows, a million people, a million reasons, but ultimately hopelessness is usually at the core..desperation left unchecked.

Wow, interesting subject although a touchy one.

I too have wondered the same.

I always find that no matter how bleak a situation may seem...in the end I always find a way through it.

The only time I would commit suicide is if the alterantive was like burning or being eat by zombies...or got stuck in space..you know that kind of thing.

A friend of my moms not long commited suicide, it came as a shock because we had a lovely chat a few days before and she seemed fine. She had a few problems, but she'd been coping ok...well apperently.

Then theres the whole depression thing....In a way, I do find some people weak. I've met many people that have attempted it many times, mostly over silly reasons.

And I have personaly coped with my mother who has had depression since I was born. They wallow in self pity. Which is weak.

But ill gues we'll never know.

ETA: When I say i think they are weak, this is based on my assumtion depression is not thing you are born with, its something that developed and is phycological...meaning with enough will power you can change the way you think.

I've been in many a dark place where I've had to mentally man up.

Originally posted by Ghost375
The question isn't "Why do people commit suicide?" The question should be "Why don't more people commit suicide?" At least that's what a character in Dostoevsky's "The Devils" says. It's a very dark paragraph, it's correct and logical, but it's dark. There's another question brought up, "Suppose a huge rock, the biggest you can imagine, was hanging over your head, Would it hurt if it fell on you? Would you be afraid?" (not exact quotes, but close enough)

I think the reasons for suicide are as vast and varied as the reasons for murder. I think some suffer tremendously for reasons we may not understand ....and others may simply use it as an easy way out . To paint all suicide attempts as well as suicide with the same brush , is unwise , in my opinion.

I cannot understand why anyone would call this a selfish act or have no sympathy or compassion. As many have pointed out, there are plenty of reasons why someone would commit suicide. Maybe some do it while under the influence of drinking and drugs, but there are so many other reasons.

You are not that person. Obviously they were overwhelmed and lost their hope. I'm sure it wasn't a split second decision. This person must have put a lot of time and thought into his decision. It was HIS life, HIS choice. It is always devestating for those left behind who loved the person and that is so very sad. Sometimes though, no matter what you say or do, it might not help.

I would imagine that it would take a great deal of courage for that person to reach that final moment in time.

Bird has a good handle on the subject.. showing great uderstanding.

Many people simply reach the end of their tether after years of slogging through life with no opportunities and so they also feel suppressed. Many don't need to have a mental issue to take their life, although many other would think to do so is a form of mental illness.

Wanting to share info from my own experiences.....

Some of you know part of my work is in assisting the dead across from their self-created 'hell' around the still living. And some of this work has been with those who suicided. When we get them across into the Light.. we go with them to see who will meet them in the arrival area... etc. In the case of suicide, they are met with something like a medical team.. a very dedicated and caring group who's task it is to assist the "being" back into a balanced healthy outlook.

Even at that place Suicide is viewed as an illness.. a side-effect of the difficulties that can be experienced here in this world of ours.

Normally the dead simply shine from within on arrival and wake up from the dream of life in the world... but this doesn't happen for suicider-choosers who remain within the 'depressive state' and therefore require assistance to awaken clearly... hence the "medical team".

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He just sounded curious to me.

I've wondered it