Is Ouija board dangerous?

reply to post by SaturnFX


Theres a difference between reverant fear and fear because of what you've done. Whats this idea of God you seem to have, it seems to me more like idolatry than actually understanding what is God.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Theres a difference between reverant fear and fear because of what you've done. Whats this idea of God you seem to have, it seems to me more like idolatry than actually understanding what is God.

edit on 9-7-2011 by EnigmaticDill because: (no reason given)

Is this really about ouija?

Wish I had an ignore button - have never understood why anyone would come onto a forum and quote scripture, etc. Always thought that smacks of someone who needs to follow the rules rather than exercise freewill and develop their own moral compass.

Getting back on point.

I have always stayed away from ouija.

My mother told me a story of her experimentation one time. They had contacted a ww1 soldier.

He told them he had had his head blown off.

Being young they started to take the proverbial and it started to get angry.

She said the glass started moving and spinning wildly and it flew off the table.

Everyone was a bit freaked out and decided to call it a night.

I decided I would never touch it based on that experience.

reply to post by stellify


I think you're right. Quoting scripture can indicate a lack of one's own thinking and moral compass ... however (I'm agnostic) it can add to the structure and meaning of an argument when used correctly. That doesn't appear easy to do ...but it can be done.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Theres a difference between reverant fear and fear because of what you've done. Whats this idea of God you seem to have, it seems to me more like idolatry than actually understanding what is God.

edit on 9-7-2011 by EnigmaticDill because: (no reason given)

My concept of God...
N/A



If I was to consider a actual conscious entity though that would qualify as a God, it would be everything, it would be you, me, a rock, a blade of grass, air, stars, planets, gas, etc...every single thing in the universe that is conscious on a scale we cannot even begin to grasp
And we are about as important to it, as an atom in a skin cell is to us as a person...aka, not even remotely aware of it beyond needing it to exist.

So, one could speculate..does the deity require us to live? an atom doesn't need a body to be an atom, but a body does require atoms to be a body.
But anyhow, ya, that would be my concept of a deity...we are not even a minor neuron on a cosmic brain

Originally posted by TattooedWarrior
In a word NO.
Ouija boards were marketed to the public as a family board game by Parker Bros both in the U.K and U.S in the early seventies and were very popular. There were no links to the paranormal, and mostly simple words like good,bad,yes and no being produced. In 1973 however thing changed when the Parker Bros Ouija board was featured in The Exorcist. After the film came out people started claiming that they were having contact with spirits and demons etc. That maybe the case, it may not, but since that time the Ouija board has been associated with the paranormal. I have used my mums original Parker Bros ouija board that she bought in 1969 many times and nothing sinister has ever happened.

thanks i couldn't remember what film made the ouija board re-famous.
everyone who is oversensitive to sprituality beleifs should read what this guy has said because its true.
.truth should alway conquer religion. religion is way more harmful than a board game.[

Ideomotor effect, like I said before.

reply to post by SaturnFX


That sir is what is God the pinpoint flow of every molecule, the design of a system that is perfect to the most finite detail, we are the ones that cannot understand it, its a record of time, an unfathomable patience, where things came and will be. The book of life, water of life, flower of life. The more you truly understand it, the more you see that it cannot possibly be, unless it is alive, living and active.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

Like it says in the Bible, right infront of your nose, why God is called the great teacher.

One of the things I remember that I regret most from my younger years is saying to my grandmother that the bible was a story book, that its just to teach people how to live, and during my experience I had I was in tears almost, asking myself how could I have known.

Well who was to know why it really is called the Book of Life.

And thats why I'll continue to preach the gospel, in that faith that anyone takes something from it, freely, the seed is planted.

And also in protection of those less grounded, from a wiley enemy, that crept in unawares.

Originally posted by listerofsmeg
reply to post by dragonseeker

 

if it works and its dangerous, why no proof.
i don't want to hear a faith vs proof argument, just logic and reason.

my experience: friend of mine found a homemade ouija board wedged in the back of a closet, and pulled it out during a dinner party. she wanted to play with it, I advised against, but we were drunk and she was insistent. her on one side, me on the other, both of us "sensitives", for lack of a better term. planchette started moving of its own accord, and I felt presences enter the room, manifesting as areas of cold. SHE actually saw them coming out of the walls. she freaked out, starting crying hysterically, and we stopped. the spirits went away. BTW, that may seem incredible to some of you..
to me, it's nothing..I've seen much more spectacular things than that. ouija boards are like the key to a stargate. you're opening up a doorway to somewhere, and you don't know where. you don't know what's on the other end, whether its benign or malevolent. I'm amazed that people still # with those things, they're bad news unless you know what you're doing.

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

That sir is what is God the pinpoint flow of every molecule, the design of a system that is perfect to the most finite detail, we are the ones that cannot understand it,

Good, then here is an idea
If you and I both admit that a god simply cannot be understood by our monkey brains...then stop claiming to understand it.
If it is non-understandable, then toss away the book suggesting it understands.


And stop also assuming, because of the false books say so, that people are somehow corrupt. If the universe is like a giant clock, then you know what, every single piece of that clock is there for a purpose..

"god don't make junk pieces".
So, there ya go, liberate yourself from religion and finally accept your part in this cosmos...stop second guessing the divine, its not your place to

And enough with the scripture passage...else, I am soo going to start quoteing lord of the ring passages!

Originally posted by LiteraryOneTwo
reply to post by thetruthseeker789

 

I have a ouija board which I have been able to use with only a few people. It does not operate alone but I have a mystic circle which one can use alone and it does seem to work as well as a Chinese mystery hand which needs only one person to operate it.

Hey, thanks for this post

Can you discuss more what the mystic circle and chinese mystery hand is, how it theoretically works, etc...

I wouldn't mind trying it (always curious enough to give something a honest go)
I did the google thing. mystic circle is a band and got nothing relevant for a chinese mystery hand...


Since this guy never got back...does anyone else know what these things are?

Google shows only a death metal band and some crappy coin trick for them...

reply to post by SaturnFX


Never claimed to understand God just what the scripture is trying to convey, what you dont understand is the literal correlation between scripture and the purpose for this existance. If you could get past your arrogance (once you do see it you'll want to vomit) maybe you would learn something. It says if you are not born again of the spirit you cannot understand the Word of God. Otherwise it can be just words.

Also where you think the design of the very cosmos itself came from, which it is a design and so is the very strucutre of matter itself which is really the spirit. How could you say to be a part of the cosmos when you are turning away and judging scripture which was how the very cosmos is manifested before us.


Ezekiel

As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.

When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four

And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.

Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.

And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.

And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.

And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.


Matter is the illusion, all is seen.

Neither is there ANY creature that is not manifest in his sight.

The day I put down that book is the day I deny myself. Which is exactly what Satan wants.

But hey if you dont have the Lord you have the infinite void to look forward to right, (since theres no heaven or hell). And it can be a scary place (for those of us that know it), especially forever (aka bottomless pit) but its real.

Our minds are a very powerful organ, and we have yet to understand it's full power. Demons are nothing more than a manifestation of our subconscious. When you use a Ouija board, you unlock your subconscious and it begins to take over. manifestations, objects moving, etc are all a product of your subconscious mind. The more fear you have the more likely you are to have a bad experience. Demonic possession is nothing more than our subconscious mind taking a front row seat. We have been taught that demons exist and that they can possess us, therefore our subconscious mind can act this out. Ever notice how it is always someone troubled who gets "possessed"?

A Ouija board is only as powerful as you make it or let it be, nothing more. There has yet to be definitive proof demons exist.

reply to post by haarvik


You have no idea what you are talking about..... about the human brain or the paranormal.

reply to post by Logarock


Yes I do. I have used a board before, seances, etc. I have seen ghosts, even talked to one. The two are not the same. A true Ouija board is not the same as homemade or Parker Brothers game. Two entirely different animals. I had one when I was a teenager, a REAL one. My step father tried to burn it in a bond fire, but it only got soot on it. They are powerful, but they only unlock our minds, they are not a portal to some demon arena.

reply to post by haarvik

Are you telling me then that the flames having no effect on the board was all in your mind and your stepfathers mind?

reply to post by Logarock


No, what I am saying is a true Ouija board is not the same as a game or homemade one. What I am saying is the boards do nothing more than unleash what your mind has buried in it. It can be anything from a child to a demon. Your mind CAN move objects, and the board gives your mind this ability. When you use the board, you are using a part of your mind that you are not aware of and to some it scares the hell out of them. Others seem to be able to be aware of this and it does not affect them.

reply to post by haarvik



Yea, now that you mention it I had an ax back a few years back that would go out by itself and chop wood. All I had to do was think about it.

Around 20 years ago myself and four others decided in typical teenage fashion that it would be interesting to experiment with a ouija board. It was set up using Scrabble letters in a customary layout and we participated in 4-6 sessions of varying length and contacted a number of 'spirits' which answered questions & spelled out messages, none of which were of an ominous nature, which they felt were important. Nothing of a hair raising nature, other than the glass moving of what seemed to be its own volition, which probably explains why interest in it died pretty quickly. What that says about human nature is open to debate

What happened afterwards formed the firm conviction that it was an experiment which I will never repeat...
There was a weekly TV program which was shown in the early hours of the morning (around 3 AM) which I watched on a regular basis & I had a couple of hours to kill before it came on so I wandered upstairs to my bedroom to nab something to read. I turned to leave my bedroom and just as I was closing the door I heard the voice of a young boy, which I estimated to be about ten years old. come from directly behind me saying, "Don't leave me!"
Considering that the room was quite definitely empty & the only other male in the house was the same age as me (18-19 at the time) and was asleep on the other side of the house my reaction was to be well...scared s***less to ues the vernacular. I flew down the stairs, semi-collapsed onto the couch and sat hugging my knees to my chest as I waited for my heart to drop below a rate of what felt like 10,000 bpm.

I've spent a lot of time analysing that event and can find no rational explanation for it so the only conclusion I can draw is that it was definitely of a paranormal nature. Whether the origin was telekinesis, something of a more spiritual nature or some kind of dimensional drift is far more difficult to determine.

So in answer to the original question in my experience ouija boards are dangerous if you include "liable to try & cause cardiac arrest" under the definition of danger.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

Originally posted by EnigmaticDill
Anyone thats saying these things are "all in your mind" have no actual experience with the spiritual. Its exactly what you would think if you didnt, I know I did.

As it says a "A Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand"

19:31
Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the LORD your God.


Leviticus 20

Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.

And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.

And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not;

Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.

Your quotes mean nothing regarding belief being in the mind. Where else is belief going to be manifested?

Here's a quote for you:

Proverbs 23:7

"As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he."

Belief dictated the kind of man they would be. Heart and mind are not seperate.

Put that into context...


Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'
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Mark 7:21 For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery,
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Mark 7:22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.
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Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.
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Romans 7:11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.
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Ephesians 4:22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires;
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Genesis 8:21 The LORD smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: "Never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.
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2 Samuel 11:15 In it he wrote, "Put Uriah in the front line where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die."
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Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is the evil in everything that happens under the sun: The same destiny overtakes all. The hearts of men, moreover, are full of evil and there is madness in their hearts while they live, and afterward they join the dead.
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Isaiah 1:5 Why should you be beaten anymore? Why do you persist in rebellion? Your whole head is injured, your whole heart afflicted.
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Isaiah 1:6 From the sole of your foot to the top of your head there is no soundness--only wounds and welts and open sores, not cleansed or bandaged or soothed with oil.
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Isaiah 6:10 Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."

reply to post by thetruthseeker789


ive had experience with ouija board but as for being dangerous i think ud have to be right into your voodoo and it to be an original board!