Israeli Settler Terrorists Are At It Again

reply to post by kro32

Are you implying all Jews come from Europe?

The vast majority of jews living in Israel i.e Ashkenazi jews are European in origin...

en.wikipedia.org...

Today, Ashkenazi Jews constitute the largest group among Jews,[5] and among Israeli Jews as well.

Even their language is a fusion of German dialects with Hebrew, Aramaic, Slavic languages and traces of
Romance languages

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


That may be but did the Jewish race start in Europe or were they forced off their land and ended up there as a consequence?

ATTENTION ALL:

Let's not lose focus of the actual topic of the thread.

Thank you.

reply to post by CountDrac

Israel won and conquered a bigger chunk of the territory. That’s what happens in war when someone looses.

No thats not what happens when someone looses. Maybe in the middle ages it was. Taking the territories of other states and settling them with own people without OSN agreeing to it is illegal under international law, no matter how many times they attack you and how many times you won.

reply to post by kro32

That may be but did the Jewish race start in Europe or were they forced off their land and ended up there as a consequence?

The jewish race did not start in Europe... but that does not mean it necassarily had to have started in Israel, if thats what you are trying to imply.

You want to talk history. Fine... lets go by the records of the Jews.

The Jews identify the patriarch Abraham as their "father" (like the arab muslims as well)
For starters.... Abraham was NOT from the area we know today as Israel... and Abraham could not have been been identified himself as a "jew". Simply because the word "jew" is derived from the word "judah".... A great-grandson of Abraham,who came much, much later after.

Anyway, if you want a non-religious argument... after their exile, the jews had already settled in different lands. Their connection to the middle east was as relevant as a modern American or an Australians connection to England.

After Hitlers defeat, there was really no reason for European jews to migrate to a land they have never lived in...displacing another people who had settled there.

reply to post by gem_man


Your premise from the core is just flat out stupid.

Let me get this straight. You are saying it was against international law for Israel to keep a chuck of territory they conquered after being attacked in three wars with all odds against them by a number of Arab countries.
But when was it lawful for these countries to attack Israel in the first place?

Why don’t you judge the countries that attacked Israel in the first place. Where in international law can five countries attack for no apparent reason (besides land and religion) a neighboring country after it received statehood from the UN.

Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about so let me educate you. Here are a few links for you to read and learn something new today.

1948 Arab–Israeli War

en.wikipedia.org...–Israeli_War

Six-Day War

en.wikipedia.org...

Yom Kippur War

en.wikipedia.org...

Dracula Out

reply to post by CountDrac

You are saying it was against international law for Israel to keep a chuck of territory they conquered after being attacked in three wars with all odds against them by a number of Arab countries. But when was it lawful for these countries to attack Israel in the first place?

It wasnt. But two wrongs dont make a right.

reply to post by Maslo


i wasn't writing to you. You have no idea what you are talking about and i don't know who you are, so go bother someone else...

reply to post by CountDrac

Why don’t you judge the countries that attacked Israel in the first place. Where in international law can five countries attack for no apparent reason (besides land and religion) a neighboring country after it received statehood from the UN.

Judge the arab countries?

No... I'd rather judge the jews who decided to move into a land they have never lived in for generations upon generations.
I'd rather judge the UN, for making the Palestinian arabs part with their land to make a homeland for what the jews went through in WW2.


In case it isn't clear yet, if the jews got messed up in Europe, the UN should have created the "jewish homeland" in Europe , where they were most recently living... NOT in the middle east.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Jews built the western wall in 20 BC and Muslims built the Dome of the Rock in 691 CE. Enough said...

As for the modern Era there was no such thing as palestinians before there was an israel. The prevailing view by historians is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the twentieth century after the wars with israel and the formation of the PLO.

The palestinians were farmers living under Arab rule and they are a combination of Farmers from near by Arab states. No nationality what so ever until the Arab world saw they could not win the wars against israel so it was convenient for them to support a palestinian cause.
80% of the population of Jordan is now palestinian so let them have a country there...

Get your facts straight, you sound like a kid getting his information from gossip magazines.

reply to post by CountDrac


Nice excuse which just shows you are unable to refute my point. You dont respond to illegal act of others by commiting another illegal act.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n


. . .
After Hitlers defeat, there was really no reason for European jews to migrate to a land they have never lived in...displacing another people who had settled there.

Except the obvious: Their holy book tells them to, and it is something that even the most orthodox believes that YWH will help them do.

reply to post by CountDrac

Jews built the western wall in 20 BC and Muslims built the Dome of the Rock in 691 CE. Enough said...

Again, by this logic we have a right to attack Russia and colonize area around Visla and Dnepr rivers - that what our ancestors came from, they have been there before Russians, Russians settled it only after our ancestors left to central Europe cca 1500 years ago.

So unless you claim we should have a right to attack Russia and steal their territory, I dont see how something which was 2000 years ago should be even relevant for 21.st century.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

After Hitlers defeat, there was really no reason for European jews to migrate to a land they have never lived in...displacing another people who had settled there.

Really?

Have you heard of the Kielce pogrom for example? Na, didn't think so.
en.wikipedia.org...

Have you heard of the abuse and gang rapes the Auschwitz survivors had to suffer by their own saviors?
www.dailymail.co.uk...

I guess 6 million murdered Jews is not enough reason for you, to give them a safe haven.

Besides, where did you get the idea there were no Jews in Israel prior to its establishment?
Ever heard of the “ Yishuv” ? How about in the days of the Ottomans, the crusaders, the Romans, the Greek.
How about the fact that the world first heard the term “ Palestinian people” only in the late 1960's.
How about the fact it's the only people in the world who can't even pronounce their name in Arabic.
How about the fact that it was the Romans who named the land of Israel “Syria Palestina”, not Arabs.
How about the “Jerusalem” they claim as their capital, is not mentioned in the Qur'an. Not even once.

reply to post by Maslo


convenient for you to pick and choose what to answer.
Why dont you answer this fact that in modern Era there was no such thing as palestinians before there was an israel. And that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the twentieth century after the wars with israel and the formation of the PLO.

The palestinians were farmers living under Arab rule and they are a combination of Farmers from near by Arab states. No nationality what so ever...

Again the only land that was taken was the land Israel it took after they were attacked. And they would have given the land back by now if the palestinians would stop shooting rockets at their cities and would stop supporting the countries who put them in that situation in the first place by attacking israel...

Again you pick and choose facts throwing irrational one-line statements without looking at history or the big picture.
You are just throwing anti Israel one line propaganda, which makes me conclude you are not interested in a mature discussion and that you are not on my same level academically. I hope you learnt something new today.
Dracula Out

reply to post by Maslo


FYI two wrongs don’t make a right.
But the Arab world wronged Israel first by starting the wars so I say let them fix their wrong first before you ask Israel to fix theirs (its only fair considering all Israel did is defend itself and win).

How should the Arab world fix it?
Well I would start by recognizing Israel’s right to exist, by stopping to attack them through militant groups, and have all the countries that attacked Israel make peace with them.
Currently only Egypt and Lebanon signed a peace treaty both of which received the land Israel conquered back.
Your lesson is now adjourned

reply to post by CountDrac

As for the modern Era there was no such thing as palestinians before there was an israel. The prevailing view by historians is that Palestinian identity originated in the early decades of the twentieth century after the wars with israel and the formation of the PLO.

The palestinians were farmers living under Arab rule and they are a combination of Farmers from near by Arab states. No nationality what so ever until the Arab world saw they could not win the wars against israel so it was convenient for them to support a palestinian cause.
80% of the population of Jordan is now palestinian so let them have a country there...

The palestinians not having a national identity is still no reason for Europeanized jews to move into a land they have not lived in for several generations.

Simply put... If the jews went through suffering in Europe at the hands of Europeans, why are the Arab Palestinians being made to make space for the jews on a land they have been living on for generations?

Get your facts straight, you sound like a kid getting his information from gossip magazines.

*yawn* ....like its your first time personally insulting posters who have a different view. Im sure it wont be your last either.

Anyway, Ive got my facts in place. You, however, need to learn to respond in context to users posts. I was writing about how senseless it was to let Europeanized jews move into arab land and all you have done is sit there and regurtitate a bunch of "facts" that are irrelevant to the post you replied to

reply to post by gravitational

I guess 6 million murdered Jews is not enough reason for you, to give them a safe haven.

Im with you on this one. It is enough reason to give them a safe haven.... IN GERMANY... where the holocaust took place at the hands of Germans, not on Arab land displacing people who had NOTHING to do with the holocaust.

Also, I dont recall the gypsies, catholics and homosexuals who also shared in the suffering of WW2, being given a "safe haven". for what they went through in WW2. So why the special treatment towards the jews?

Besides, where did you get the idea there were no Jews in Israel prior to its establishment?

Im not saying there were no jews living on that land known as Israel.

Ever heard of the “ Yishuv” ? How about in the days of the Ottomans, the crusaders, the Romans, the Greek.
How about the fact that the world first heard the term “ Palestinian people” only in the late 1960's.
How about the fact it's the only people in the world who can't even pronounce their name in Arabic.
How about the fact that it was the Romans who named the land of Israel “Syria Palestina”, not Arabs.

None of these 'facts' change the fact that those who occupied that land afte WW2 were Europeanized jews who had never lived In Arab land.
Also it does not justify the fact that a people who had nothing to do with jewish suffering in Europe WW2 were made to make a home for Jews on their land... and are to this day, made to live under Israeli boots and chastized for rightfully resisting what anybody in the world would recognize as an unjust occupation.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Im with you on this one. It is enough reason to give them a safe haven.... IN GERMANY... where the holocaust took place at the hands of Germans, not on Arab land displacing people who had NOTHING to do with the holocaust.

When you have something rational to tell us, please give us a shout, so we can give you a rational answer.

Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by sk0rpi0n

 

Im with you on this one. It is enough reason to give them a safe haven.... IN GERMANY... where the holocaust took place at the hands of Germans, not on Arab land displacing people who had NOTHING to do with the holocaust.

When you have something rational to tell us, please give us a shout, so we can give you a rational answer.

Seems pretty damn rational to me..

Germany persecuted them so give them part of Germany's land..

Maybe you'll give a rational answer someday rather than merely saying it's written in a book..