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Israeli Settler Terrorists Are At It Again

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posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 04:09 PM
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reply to post by Maslo
 


When I go far back in history and show you Jews were their first, you say I’m going back too far, and when I say in the modern era the UN and the western world gave the Jews a state then you say the Palestinians were their first.

So tell me what is a perfect time frame for you? It seems you pick and choose whatever is convenient for your argument.

Your argument is a pathetic joke, and both ways you are wrong and the Jews were their first, and in the modern day received an independent state from the UN. The Arabs could have had their state if they didn’t act like morons and start three wars with Israel loosing all the land they received.

The only mistake Israel ever did is not to kick them out completely once they conquered the rest of what we call today Gaza and the west bank…
Dracula out

edit on 8-7-2011 by CountDrac because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Lightrule
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I have it on good authority that a majority of the Palestinian rocket attacks are actually conducted by joint US/IDF teams placed in strategic locations living under cover.

Thats makes two of us but not likly to hit the news when the zionists own the press and politicians is it now.

Looks like Isreal has just shoot at one of the Gaza aid boats but nothing on the news yet

Gods specail place sure seem to create a lot of trouble so remind me why did the UN give them this land that was not theirs to give away in the first place and would it be the same reason they see no evill when it comes to Isreal.



posted on Jul, 8 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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When I go far back in history and show you Jews were their first, you say I’m going back too far, and when I say in the modern era the UN and the western world gave the Jews a state then you say the Palestinians were their first.

So tell me what is a perfect time frame for you? It seems you pick and choose whatever is convenient for your argument.


Its not about the time frame. The point is palestinians did not left the area, they lived and live on the west bank since the jewish exodus. Jews left more than 2 millenias ago, and now they suddenly want to return.

The UN gave Jews a state specified by the Green line. Them claiming anything more is illegal.



The Arabs could have had their state if they didn’t act like morons and start three wars with Israel loosing all the land they received.


You along with the zionists dont seem to get that we are not in the middle ages anymore. The only legal way to change borders of a nation state is through UN assembly. Winning a war against a state cannot be used to steal their territory with completely different ethnic population, thats illegal under international law. The only legitimate Israel border is the Green line. If they cross it for anything more than justified defense (and thousands of civilian colonists are NOT justified defense), they automaticaly loose all legitimity.



posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by Maslo
 


When I go far back in history and show you Jews were their first, you say I’m going back too far, and when I say in the modern era the UN and the western world gave the Jews a state then you say the Palestinians were their first.

So tell me what is a perfect time frame for you? It seems you pick and choose whatever is convenient for your argument.

Your argument is a pathetic joke, and both ways you are wrong and the Jews were their first, and in the modern day received an independent state from the UN. The Arabs could have had their state if they didn’t act like morons and start three wars with Israel loosing all the land they received.

The only mistake Israel ever did is not to kick them out completely once they conquered the rest of what we call today Gaza and the west bank…
Dracula out

edit on 8-7-2011 by CountDrac because: (no reason given)


The Jews were there first? So there were NO indiginous people living there before the Hebrews ? (there were no Jews at that time as their religion was in the infamancy of its formation)

Yes, the UN DID "give Israel a state" and that state is on the 1948 borders that Israel sgreed to in a letter to the UN on May 24, 1948 under the official name "The State of Israel" ANYTHING beyond those original borders isILLEGAL under international law. Which is why NO country on earth recognizes Israel beyond those borders. Israel is DESPARATE for the Palestinians to accept new borders through negotiations so as to legitimize their theft.

So, it was in your opinion a "mistake" Israel "did not kick them out completely" when they conquered them? Well Gods knows they tried during the course of destroying over 350 villages, murdering many defenseless innocent men, women and children and causing hundreds of thousands to flee for their lives. Hmmm, isn't that what the Nazis tried to do to the Jews, Gypsies and Homosexuals? And, isn't that why we had the Geneva conventions to establish civilized conduct for all nations. I will point out to you that those same conventions, which Israel signed, prohibit Israels "settler movement" as unlawful.

Incidently when you call someones argument a "pathetic joke" you would be wise to review your own post before pushing the "reply" button.



posted on Jul, 9 2011 @ 03:39 AM
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The only mistake Israel ever did is not to kick them out completely once they conquered the rest of what we call today Gaza and the west bank…


Thats harsh.
Almost as harsh as saying the only mistake Hitler did was not wiping the jews out completely.

Both are sick and stupid statements.



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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CountDrac your one sick minded human,very disgusting and disturbing indeed.

You have no idea whats your talking about,and wheres all your proof for your "facts" your spitting out?
Nowhere to be found as usual,your talking a bunch of garbage.

Go back to listening what your T.V. ,obviously where you got your "facts" from.

Your just a information regurgitator,you havnt even researched anything on this subject,easy to tell from your stupid and offensive statements.



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 02:37 PM
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Yes Israel received a state in 1948 with set boarders and the Arab countries (Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt etc) started three wars in the course of 15 years and Israel won and conquered a bigger chunk of the territory. That’s what happens in war when someone looses. Especially when the loosing side is the one who stupidly started the wars, in this case the Arabs…

And trust me, Israel would gladly give up the Gaza strip and actually offered it back to Egypt a few times but Egypt never wanted to take it back.
Do you think that the other Arab countries treat the Palestinians better? They treat them like animals. All you have to do is go see the refugee camps in Jordan and Syria and see how their own brothers treat them.

As for you billybob, you are ignorant and misinformed. You obviously are either a Muslim or a Muslim lover. And if you can’t take different opinions on ATS as extreme as they may be, then leave the thread or go to another site.

Dracula Out

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posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Again, you are ignorant and misinformed. As for my facts each one of them is correct historically and you can do your own research on the subject and see for yourself.

You attack my opinions and stance without offering any evidence to counter my argument, and you are writing irrational angry words like a child that someone stole his candy..

As I said before you are obviously a Muslim or a Muslim lover. And if you can’t take different opinions on ATS as extreme as they may be, then leave the thread or go to another site.

Regardless, stop wasting my time and let the adults do the talking.

edit on 10-7-2011 by CountDrac because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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I came across this video that pretty well sums up the situation . 2nd for mods appeasment www.youtube.com...
edit on 10-7-2011 by ramuh because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by gem_man
 


Yes Israel received a state in 1948 with set boarders and the Arab countries (Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Egypt etc) started three wars in the course of 15 years and Israel won and conquered a bigger chunk of the territory. That’s what happens in war when someone looses. Especially when the loosing side is the one who stupidly started the wars, in this case the Arabs…

And trust me, Israel would gladly give up the Gaza strip and actually offered it back to Egypt a few times but Egypt never wanted to take it back.
Do you think that the other Arab countries treat the Palestinians better? They treat them like animals. All you have to do is go see the refugee camps in Jordan and Syria and see how their own brothers treat them.

As for you billybob, you are ignorant and misinformed. You obviously are either a Muslim or a Muslim lover. And if you can’t take different opinions on ATS as extreme as they may be, then leave the thread or go to another site.

Dracula Out

edit on 10-7-2011 by CountDrac because: (no reason given)


AH! So you agree Israel had set borders when their state was established. Now we are getting somewhere. I agree with you that Israel "conquered" "a bigger chunk of territory" But guess what? Israel, under the Geneva conventions (which Israel signed) and general international law doesn't allow the conquered land to become part of Israel. They also are PROHIBITED from transfering ANY of their population to conquered land. which is why no country on Earth recognizes Israels theft of any territory beyond the 1967 lines. That incidently includes East Jerusalem, the West Bank and Golan. In other words Israel is ILLEGITAMATE beyond the 1967 lines UNLESS the Palestinians AGREE to ALLOW Israel to retain territory beyond those lines. Thats the law. Do you not think Israel is subject to the same international laws as all other nations?

As far as the refugee camps are concerned the conditions are not perfect but far better then refugee camps in other parts of the world. Refugee camps are intended to be temporary and host countries have no responsibility to to provide luxurious accomodations especially when Israel AGREED as a condition of membership in the UN to permit them to return at the earliest possible time. They are still waiting after 60 years!


Your third point that I am ignorant and misinformed is interesting. I suppose you think this way of all you disagree with. I am surprised the Mods missed that comment as it is in direct violation of the "manners and decorum" rules. Look, we are discussing actions of illegal settlers against normal Palestinians not the radical Palestinians. People like you and I that are just trying to live our lives without causing trouble. In my mind, no reasonable person can agree with their violent actions but thats just me.
edit on 11-7-2011 by gem_man because: spelling



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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Good post. But you are simply wasting words on someone who condenses his argument into a statement that those who back the Palestinians are either "muslims or muslim lovers".



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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I suppose attacking Israel in 1948 and 1967 was legitimate than, and international law was on the side of the attacker...

Second line...



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by gravitational
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I suppose attacking Israel in 1948 and 1967 was legitimate than, and international law was on the side of the attacker...

Second line...


Can we get past this BS history that Israel was attacked in 1967 ???

We ALL know Israel launched what they consider a preemptive strike against Egypt..



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by gem_man
 


Good post. But you are simply wasting words on someone who condenses his argument into a statement that those who back the Palestinians are either "muslims or muslim lovers".


Thanks, I just thought I would make an attempt to reason with him with facts he could not dispute.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 02:57 AM
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Originally posted by gravitational
reply to post by gem_man
 


I suppose attacking Israel in 1948 and 1967 was legitimate than, and international law was on the side of the attacker...

Second line...


In 1948 it was NOT the Palestinians that attacked Israel as the Palestinians have never had a army. In 1967 it was Israel that attacked pre emptively under the ruse that Egypt was preparing to attack. Do you believe ALL countries should be subject to international law?



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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I don't seem to recall the Palestinians doing anything when the Romans were marching the Jews out of the area. They seemed to move right on in rather quickly with a wink and a nod.

Payback kinda sucks doesn't it.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 03:39 AM
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I don't seem to recall the Palestinians doing anything when the Romans were marching the Jews out of the area. They seemed to move right on in rather quickly with a wink and a nod.


*facepalm*

The Jews are NOT the responsibility of the Palestinians.

Not when the "Romans marched Jews out of the area".... and definitely NOT after the Germans messed the Jews up in Germany. There is no reason why the Arabs need to let Jews build settlements on their land.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 03:41 AM
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My point was that it was the Jews land before they were forced off of it and the Palestinians moved onto it. When the Jews come back it is now Arab land?

Seems kind of a silly arguement.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 03:43 AM
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I don't recall European Jews ever living in the Middle east.



posted on Jul, 11 2011 @ 03:44 AM
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Now that's a weird statement. Of course European Jews wouldn't live in the middle east or they wouldn't be called European would they.

Are you implying all Jews come from Europe?



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