Mexican troops cross border ... again

Originally posted by Openeye
We cannot just change the US alone.

Yes we can. We can return to isolationism and tell everyone else to "get bent".

reply to post by Marrr


Mock them if you want but I'd rather see the Mexican army coming to aid in a crisis over FEMA any day.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by ateuprto
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

You are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. The Mexican government has indeed issued pamphlets and other information telling people how to survive in the desert. Much of Mexico is a desert....makes sense doesn't it? Not to mention they are not encouraging men and women to cross the border illegally, only helping people to survive if they do find themselves in dire straights in the scorching sand. We have signs on the interstate near the border telling people to look out for pedestrians (border hoppers) much like we do for deer. We are not encouraging illegals to cross, only trying to keep people safe and alive. I would much prefer a healthy Mexican immigrant (legal or not) on our side of the border than a dead one in-between. If you would prefer the other I wouldn't say it is a stretch that you are "heartless."

Please don't come to me with the old peace is for hippies speech. I understand that a bunch of acid-dropping wookies that think the world runs on magic can be annoying at times, but they mean no harm to anyone. Don't associate me as a hippy either por favor, I've spent many a year in the military and have put more heat down-range than you could probably imagine.

Lighten up brother, illegal immigrants are far from being a U.S. American's biggest concern at this point.

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edit on 24-6-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)

And I'm afraid you are not connecting any of the dots. You are neither getting that the Mexican govt supports the reconquista invasion of the Southwest, nor that US Presidents on both the Republican and Democrats sides ignore it. I bet you laugh at the idea of the trans-corridor too, as well as warnings of the NAU. I get really tired of people waving the anti-tin-foil hat.

I'm certainly mindful of everything mentioned above. I do not laugh at anyone's attempt to connect dots, assuming they are rational and competent. Reqonquista has been distorted to a great extent from my observations here on ATS. It is more of a Dr. King "I have a dream" style imagining of a unified Hispanic republic. The idea of such a republic is certainly supported by many people, especially in Mexico. What it is not is a military operation.

Quotes from people like Professor Gutierrez of the University of Texas may make you suspect otherwise:

"We’re the only ethnic group in America that has been dismembered. We didn't migrate here or immigrate here voluntarily. The United States came to us in succeeding waves of invasions. We are a captive people, in a sense, a hostage people. It is our political destiny and our right to self-determination to want to have our homeland [back]. Whether they like it or not is immaterial. If they call us radicals or subversives or separatists, that’s they're problem. This is our home, and this is our homeland, and we are entitled to it. We are the host. Everyone else is a guest."

In theory, sure, if they could magical the state into being they would. In practice they know that it is neither possible nor beneficial to do so by means of hostile invasion. I would actually support a unified Hispanic state if it could be achieved peacefully and beneficially for everyone involved and affected.

What we as U.S. Americans must come to accept is responsibility for the actions of our ancestors. I'm not one to lay on the "White man's guilt," but when we expanded this country and enacted the Neoliberal doctrines that fueled our unprecedented growth, we stomped on a lot of people unfairly. I'm not suggesting that we be tied to posts and lashed, but we must come to grips with the damage that we've caused along side all the good. The Africans we bought and enslaved, eventually freed and kept oppressed and segregated until a half-century ago (not suggesting they still aren't) are not going to magically rebound and live comfortably. Thus the amount of black brothers and sisters of ours that are stuck in ghettos, projects and prisons. When we steal land from a civilization illegally then stomp on their economy with a neoliberal boot we can not expect them to lie down and take it. We should be grateful for our military dominance for the last 60 years, otherwise we would have gotten what was coming to us much sooner and in a much more violent manner. Now, as a species, we must work towards peaceful resolutions so that we can let go of the past.

It is our responsibility to our ancestors, to our species and to God if you are so inclined to make radical, but PEACEFUL changes and transition into a more sustainable and equal state of living. This transition is in its infancy and will certainly not happen overnight. The idea of the NAU seems to be a double-edged sword. I don't buy into all the "tin-foil" conspiracies as you so put them, but would not support the idea of more centralized control over anybody. I have been "briefed" by ATS NAU, EU, African U, etc since around '04. It is concerning, would certainly have many benefits, but would tighten control over individuals to an extent that is unacceptable.

We live in spectacular and interesting times. Let's not make the same mistakes as our elders and ride the storm out peacefully. I know we are capable as a species. What it will take to learn that is another question.

I did not mean to approach you so aggressively in this thread. As citizens of this nation we are bound by a civil contract to each other. Your concern is my concern. What we should not do is become aggressive towards those that do not deserve it. I can tell you that if my two children and wife were starving I would cross any border, swim any river and climb any mountain to feed them, laws of a man be-damned. For every piece of criminal garbage that crosses illegally into the United States there are likely 50 or 100 hard-working, honest and reliable individuals. I have dug ditches and planted trees with men who are certified doctors and professors who make more money doing menial manual labor for $7.00 an hour in the U.S. than they do in two or three years practicing in Mexico. Next time someone is concerned that Mexicans are taking "our" jobs, they need to understand that a corrupted and idiotic Neoliberal system took everyone's jobs. We all wanted to go to college and work in an office. Blue-collar labor jobs were left to poor rural communities and foreign labor. The high-life has cost us. When we have barely any productive factory and labor jobs to fall back on we have lost our base. These factory and labor intensive jobs were exported to "third-world" and other struggling countries with large populations. The swaths of laborers working for pennies on the dollar make a select few in the host country insanely wealthy and fuel those easy-going office jobs we so enjoy in the States.

China knows what I'm talking about. World War What? China's loving this destructive relationship we have going. The gap between the "elite" top 2% and the bottom 98% is widening at the same exponential rate it has been for decades. This is a world-wide trend and will continue until the ponzi scheme has run its course. We are going to have to learn to adapt to this close of an era and proceed as peacefully as is possible. Turning our anger towards each other will only prolong, complicate and bloody up the process.

reply to post by sonofliberty1776

Yes we can. We can return to isolationism and tell everyone else to "get bent".

If we became isolationists everything that would happen would be counter productive and result in one or more of the following example.


1. There would be a huge civil war, due ideological differences between states and the lack of equality within certain states.

2. We would succumb to Christian Dominionism, and the country would look no better than anyone who practices Sharia law. (this one might only occur if number 1 happened first)

3. The economy would not grow like you think it would, causing even a greater unemployment rate and rise in crime.

4. Due to the lack of trade with other countries. certain countries would come together to form alliances, my guess would be China, United Korea, Japan, Vietnam, and most other east Asian nations. After an amount of time an inevitable war would occur resulting in a nuclear conflict that would kill us all.

5. The United States readopts it empirical mentality and starts a southern expansion taking the entire South American continent.

These are all just theories but I think they are very valid. We live in a world where becoming isolationists does not work (look at N Korea). We depend on each other to function in a chaotic world. We have progressed from tribes killing each other to people who at least attempt to debate issues before we kill each other. It is time to go to the next step.

But people who keep holding on to nationalism or exceptionalism (from any country in any form) has been lied to and that is the great conspiracy...to keep us separate and hateful.

reply to post by ateuprto


Just for you

reply to post by ateuprto


Don't even go there with the "sustainable" stuff. You sound like an emissary of the UN when you do that. Oh yes its a buzzword of the UN Agenda 21. Please please please do some more homework instead of ridiculing me.


Heres the UN Agenda

www.un.org...

ridiculing you? You didn't even read my post did you? I gave you 3-4 paragraphs of relevant discussion and I get a youtube video about "3 happy cowboy ducks." At least read it my friend.

Originally posted by ateuprto
ridiculing you? You didn't even read my post did you? I gave you 3-4 paragraphs of relevant discussion and I get a youtube video about "3 happy cowboy ducks." At least read it my friend.

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All you had to do was lecture me about being xenophobic and you lost me. Sorry, that's just the way it is with me. All I had to do was see your lecture on sustainability to know where you are coming from. You are an advocate for UN sustainability and global governance until you can stop spouting liberal stuff at me.

And by the way, that was an excerpt from the fabulous Walt Disney animated film, The Three Caballeros and I was trying to lighten up.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
www.foxnews.com...

Mexican troops crossed the border into the United States Thursday, KGNS-TV reported Friday.
*snip*
Mexican officials say the soldiers didn't know the area and got lost.

An investigation into the incident is continuing.

They got "lost" ... bull#. Return the next "lost" convoy in bodybags and it will never happen again. How many more times does this have to happen before Washington does something? Either the Mexicans are up to no good, or they need some serious remedial map reading classes; my bet is on the first part.

Yeah we should just send those pesky US / Nato / Russian planes back as scrap metal who "get lost" and enter our borders. That would be the proper way to handle them...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by ateuprto
ridiculing you? You didn't even read my post did you? I gave you 3-4 paragraphs of relevant discussion and I get a youtube video about "3 happy cowboy ducks." At least read it my friend.

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All you had to do was lecture me about being xenophobic and you lost me. Sorry, that's just the way it is with me. All I had to do was see your lecture on sustainability to know where you are coming from. You are an advocate for UN sustainability and global governance until you can stop spouting liberal stuff at me.

That's both insulting and pathetic. I didn't lecture you on anything. You neglected to read my post and it shows the amount of respect you have for your peers on Above Top Secret. The motto around here is "Deny Ignorance." You ignored the entirety of my conversation, thus you were ignorant. Thanks for showing your true colors, I will not waste my time or energy having a one-way conversation. Best of luck to you.

Originally posted by ateuprto

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by ateuprto
ridiculing you? You didn't even read my post did you? I gave you 3-4 paragraphs of relevant discussion and I get a youtube video about "3 happy cowboy ducks." At least read it my friend.

edit on 24-6-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)

All you had to do was lecture me about being xenophobic and you lost me. Sorry, that's just the way it is with me. All I had to do was see your lecture on sustainability to know where you are coming from. You are an advocate for UN sustainability and global governance until you can stop spouting liberal stuff at me.

That's both insulting and pathetic. I didn't lecture you on anything. You neglected to read my post and it shows the amount of respect you have for your peers on Above Top Secret. The motto around here is "Deny Ignorance." You ignored the entirety of my conversation, thus you were ignorant. Thanks for showing your true colors, I will not waste my time or energy having a one-way conversation. Best of luck to you.

Let's just look at the history of our dialogue. First you suggested the Mexican troops were just "lost" which makes them sound unprofessional. Then you said they are really very professional because you are so experienced dealing with them personally, and then you accused me of "having a problem" with Mexicans. Yes, I have a problem with illegals sneaking over the border but that's it. I also have a problem with Mexican Presidents taking advantage of American hospitality when they refuse to deal with their own greed and corruption. Then you tried to accuse me of being some kind of war monger because I expose the fake peace agenda of liberal activists of the 60's. Then you told me to lighten up somewhere along the way, so I obliged and posted an excerpt of one of my fav vids. Then you criticized me for that too!!!! You accuse me of not reading your posts, but when I explain my position on UN Sustainability garbage you again resort to insulting remarks.
It's just all around miscommunication and you and I will never meet in the middle.

Oh yah, and then to top it all you flash the typical "deny ignorance" sign at me, like oh Im just some dumb newbie who doesn't know the ropes around here.
I have a right to my opinion and you can forget the cliches.

reply to post by ateuprto


Yes, that Gutierrez guy is La Raza I believe, and oh wow, he says the US came to them. That's an interesting approach. He forgot real history which was that they started a war, lost, and had the choice of whether to stay in Texas or move South. But, again, it's typical of liberals to blame it all on the evil US Empire.

Originally posted by Cuervo
reply to post by Marrr

 

Mock them if you want but I'd rather see the Mexican army coming to aid in a crisis over FEMA any day.

They did, during Katrina. It wasn't widely circulated in the news.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Openeye

Originally posted by beezzer
Kinda like how Hitler's army got "lost" in Poland in 1939?
Kinda like how Russia got "lost" in Georgia in 2008?
Kinda like how Saddam got "lost" in Kuwait in 1990?

*harumph!*

Lol I hope your not implying that Mexico is the next Nazi Germany.

I dont know why but the idea of Mexican Nazis is hysterical.

Its not like they are trying to invade the US or something, they are in the middle of their own war.

Naw, they don't want the whole U.S.. Just Texas, New Mexico, Arizona.

Don't forget California and Utah. All of those are supposedly the kingdom of Aztlan. Even though the Aztecs were never as far north as Mexico City.

In case anyone doesn't know U.S. geography, there's a big freaking river separating Mexico and Texas. If you cross a river that's about 100 yards wide, you've gone too far.

/TOA

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


That's what I was referring to. That was what the video you responded to was about.

reply to post by ChrisF231



The article says:

A convoy of three military trucks loaded with soldiers and weapons crossed the border at Bridge No. 2 in Laredo, Texas, the station reported.

Then we have people here acting like these guys were gonna try to invade us with a convoy of three military trucks! That kind of talk is laughable. The Mexican military can't even contain their own drug cartels, let alone contemplate taking over some portion of the U.S.

Jesus, people.......come on.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by ChrisF231

 

Then we have people here acting like these guys were gonna try to invade us with a convoy of three military trucks! That kind of talk is laughable. The Mexican military can't even contain their own drug cartels, let alone contemplate taking over some portion of the U.S.

I'm sorry if you think another country's military crossing borders without permission is funny, Eever seen the movie Stripes? Only bad things happen. lol

Besides the point is how sad is Mexico that they "got lost" thats part of the hmm something fishy here concept

not a bash just a thought

reply to post by Cantmakedisup
EVen the indians are imigrants,think about it and illegal is what it is illegal, laws are based on principles,if not then they are based on nothing.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by ChrisF231

 

The article says:

A convoy of three military trucks loaded with soldiers and weapons crossed the border at Bridge No. 2 in Laredo, Texas, the station reported.

Then we have people here acting like these guys were gonna try to invade us with a convoy of three military trucks! That kind of talk is laughable. The Mexican military can't even contain their own drug cartels, let alone contemplate taking over some portion of the U.S.

Jesus, people.......come on.

It's far more subtle than that. Fabian socialism is socialism achieved by increments. In other words, they don't do it all at once. People get tested to see how they react to things. They start small and then work bigger. Socialism in this country started small, with programs like the New Deal, then later on SS and Medicare, and these are all ostensibly because govt is fixing problems that people cant solve themselves. Ironically, it is govt which creates the problems they then solve with Socialist solutions.
So, no they wouldn't try an all out invasion with three trucks (lol) but they might just drive around and see what reaction they get.

Originally posted by Kingbreaker
We need to pull out of Libya. NOW. we need to pull out of Iraq as soon as they can take care of themselves.

Afghanistan: that's a cluster $&@#


we take the battalions in Iraq, and Libya, march into Mexico and take care of the drug cartels ourselves.

Obliterate the cartels. then let the Mexican people sort out the corrupt government.

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how are we going to take out the cartels ourselves if thats the cia's biggest customer?

then after that wed have to deal with the cubans as well, clearly they are a big part of this. dont you think youre going about this all wrong? taking control of our media and exposing how our own government is responsible for this is probably a better way of starting this off?