Mexican troops cross border ... again

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by beezzer

 

beezer! that shouild be in spanish they cant read english man

Exactly

Abandonar toda esperanza, todos vosotros que ingrese aquí

Abandonar la esperanza, todos los que entréis aquí

Abandonar la esperanza, ye que introduzca aquí

Originally posted by ChrisF231 They got "lost" ... bull#. Return the next "lost" convoy in bodybags and it will never happen again. How many more times does this have to happen before Washington does something? Either the Mexicans are up to no good, or they need some serious remedial map reading classes; my bet is on the first part.

Are you serious man, I'm not trying to get a rise out of you, sit back and read what I copied and pasted above and tell me you are serious. You want to kill innocent men (and possibly women) simply because they got lost close to the border between our two countries. You think Mexico is staging a mainland invasion of the United States with a couple truck-loads of troops in training? What "no good" would these Mexican troops be up to exactly? Bah, let's shoot 'em up and let Yahweh sort em out, right? I would recommend thinking before you speak, if you are so capable.

Originally posted by Cantmakedisup
reply to post by beezzer

 

So no real response to what I said? Just some snarky insult? Figures. GET EDUCATED!!! I promise it's not that hard to get a high school diploma, or a GED (General Education Degree). Then you come back to these forums and post something that actually has content to it.
Peace IS the answer, not war.
Empathy is the answer, not hate.
Freedom, NOT a police state.
As Ben Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Sorry, all this peace! peace! stuff makes you sound like a throwback to the 60's hippies. Had your share of Maryjane today? Responding to the report of Mexican troops parading about our border with discussion of immigrants....I just can't find any words suitable....

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Cantmakedisup
reply to post by beezzer

 

So no real response to what I said? Just some snarky insult? Figures. GET EDUCATED!!! I promise it's not that hard to get a high school diploma, or a GED (General Education Degree). Then you come back to these forums and post something that actually has content to it.
Peace IS the answer, not war.
Empathy is the answer, not hate.
Freedom, NOT a police state.
As Ben Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Sorry, all this peace! peace! stuff makes you sound like a throwback to the 60's hippies. Had your share of Maryjane today? Responding to the report of Mexican troops parading about our border with discussion of immigrants....I just can't find any words suitable....

Mexicans were not "parading" in our territory, they got lost. I'm more in-line with the person who you are responding to than you. Peace IS the answer, that coming from a man who has killed quite a few of his brothers in combat. Why don't you stuff your self-righteous crap homeboy.

Originally posted by ateuprto

Originally posted by ChrisF231 They got "lost" ... bull#. Return the next "lost" convoy in bodybags and it will never happen again. How many more times does this have to happen before Washington does something? Either the Mexicans are up to no good, or they need some serious remedial map reading classes; my bet is on the first part.

Are you serious man, I'm not trying to get a rise out of you, sit back and read what I copied and pasted above and tell me you are serious. You want to kill innocent men (and possibly women) simply because they got lost close to the border between our two countries. You think Mexico is staging a mainland invasion of the United States with a couple truck-loads of troops in training? What "no good" would these Mexican troops be up to exactly? Bah, let's shoot 'em up and let Yahweh sort em out, right? I would recommend thinking before you speak, if you are so capable.

edit on 24-6-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)

Oh cmon please! You really believe they were just lost? Please don't be so naive. Why is our Prez allowing armed troops on our side of the border while bombying Libya????? The other time armed mexican troops breached our border was during Katrina. Just to show my non-partisan approach, Prez Bush did nothing either, in fact, it seems to be some kind of bizarre operation. The idea of foreign troops on US soil going practically unnoticed is really scary to me.

reply to post by sonofliberty1776

Exactly what part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT do you not understand? If they are illegal immigrants, they are ALL CRIMINALS by definition.

So then what pray tell is considered a refugee?

How can one find refuge in the country which they are trying to escape?

Like I said in my previous post. Immigrants should come to this country legally, but we cannot stigmatize those who feel they cannot wait and go through the lengthy legal process of immigrating to this country.

All I am saying is that the view that you are proposing is extremist and will do nothing other than stoke anger and discontent amongst people living in this country and in the bordering ones.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Once again, this was not an invasion force. If an armor platoon and a few hundred Mexican troops "get lost" and breach our border I might be concerned. You do know that the U.S. and Mexico take part in joint-training exercises right? I've spent some time in Mexico while I was in the service doing joint-training and teaching Mexican men how to operate with small-unit tactics and to properly control combat airspace as a FAC aka putting ordinance on-target up-close and personal from the ground. Mexican military men and women are a good bunch actually, very professional and very serious about stabilizing and protecting their own country. Sounds like you have a problem with our Hispanic brothers and sisters to the South actually.

All this huff & puff because a couple of Mexican Army trucks took a wrong turn ?

I had to laugh when I watched a US news report about this "breach of international law". For a minute I thought the last 10 years were my own personal soap opera shower scene.

Can't help but wonder how you will react when the "terrists" detonate a nuclear weapon in New York City. If you're outraged now, you'll be positively fizzing when ... when ... that happens.

It'll make for great tv, though.

Originally posted by ateuprto

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Cantmakedisup
reply to post by beezzer

 

So no real response to what I said? Just some snarky insult? Figures. GET EDUCATED!!! I promise it's not that hard to get a high school diploma, or a GED (General Education Degree). Then you come back to these forums and post something that actually has content to it.
Peace IS the answer, not war.
Empathy is the answer, not hate.
Freedom, NOT a police state.
As Ben Franklin once said, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Sorry, all this peace! peace! stuff makes you sound like a throwback to the 60's hippies. Had your share of Maryjane today? Responding to the report of Mexican troops parading about our border with discussion of immigrants....I just can't find any words suitable....

Mexicans were not "parading" in our territory, they got lost. I'm more in-line with the person who you are responding to than you. Peace IS the answer, that coming from a man who has killed quite a few of his brothers in combat. Why don't you stuff your self-righteous crap homeboy.

Sure, buddy, and how would you feel if our troops got "lost" at the border of Kuwait?
Homeboy????? Ok well, look, I am not into war any more than the next person, but guess what? I'm at the tail end of the hippie generation and I do know what was going on with it. It produced a generation of drugged out kids who didn't want to take responsibility. So do you really want to emulate that? Would you chant peace peace during the American Revolutionary War? They would have called you a Tory and tarred and feathered you for it. It's all a matter of perspective. My concern is that the Mexican govt promotes coyote crossings and even prints pamphlets showing people how to cross the desert without dying. So, please don't bother with the insults. My other concern is the presence of foreign troops here without acknowledgement by our govt. Something is wrong. I recommend you study the NWO a bit more before ridiculing.

Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

Exactly what part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT do you not understand? If they are illegal immigrants, they are ALL CRIMINALS by definition.

So then what pray tell is considered a refugee?

a refugee is more narrowly defined (in Article 1A) as a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country

So the illegals do not count. If they did, we have proceedures for those needing refugee status which, if followed, would not make them illegals.

How can one find refuge in the country which they are trying to escape?

Honestly? I don't care. We have our own problems that we need to fix, and they need to stay home and fix their problems.

Like I said in my previous post. Immigrants should come to this country legally, but we cannot stigmatize those who feel they cannot wait and go through the lengthy legal process of immigrating to this country.

We should not only "stigmatize them", we should punish them as the criminals they are.

All I am saying is that the view that you are proposing is extremist and will do nothing other than stoke anger and discontent amongst people living in this country and in the bordering ones.

They are already making me angry. They are also angering millions of other Americans. Don't we count? It is OUR country after all.

Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

Exactly what part of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT do you not understand? If they are illegal immigrants, they are ALL CRIMINALS by definition.

So then what pray tell is considered a refugee?

How can one find refuge in the country which they are trying to escape?

Like I said in my previous post. Immigrants should come to this country legally, but we cannot stigmatize those who feel they cannot wait and go through the lengthy legal process of immigrating to this country.

All I am saying is that the view that you are proposing is extremist and will do nothing other than stoke anger and discontent amongst people living in this country and in the bordering ones.

You do not know what a real refugee is then. Illegals are just "escaping" bad conditions It's like saying Michigan is so bad and there's no jobs so I will go to Illinois instead, only it's legal to move from one state to another. Yes, we can stigmatize people who are just looking for higher pay, because that is the case with Mexico. True refugees were the Cubans fleeing a communist dictatorship. Get the difference?

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


You are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. The Mexican government has indeed issued pamphlets and other information telling people how to survive in the desert. Much of Mexico is a desert....makes sense doesn't it? Not to mention they are not encouraging men and women to cross the border illegally, only helping people to survive if they do find themselves in dire straights in the scorching sand. We have signs on the interstate near the border telling people to look out for pedestrians (border hoppers) much like we do for deer. We are not encouraging illegals to cross, only trying to keep people safe and alive. I would much prefer a healthy Mexican immigrant (legal or not) on our side of the border than a dead one in-between. If you would prefer the other I wouldn't say it is a stretch that you are "heartless."

Please don't come to me with the old peace is for hippies speech. I understand that a bunch of acid-dropping wookies that think the world runs on magic can be annoying at times, but they mean no harm to anyone. Don't associate me as a hippy either por favor, I've spent many a year in the military and have put more heat down-range than you could probably imagine.

Lighten up brother, illegal immigrants are far from being a U.S. American's biggest concern at this point.

Originally posted by ateuprto
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Once again, this was not an invasion force. If an armor platoon and a few hundred Mexican troops "get lost" and breach our border I might be concerned. You do know that the U.S. and Mexico take part in joint-training exercises right? I've spent some time in Mexico while I was in the service doing joint-training and teaching Mexican men how to operate with small-unit tactics and to properly control combat airspace as a FAC aka putting ordinance on-target up-close and personal from the ground. Mexican military men and women are a good bunch actually, very professional and very serious about stabilizing and protecting their own country. Sounds like you have a problem with our Hispanic brothers and sisters to the South actually.

edit on 24-6-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)

edit on 24-6-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)

Hmmm I would be just as worried they were lost during a joint military training exercise but I doubt that's the case. You don't know what they were doing there any more than I do. Ok wait, now first you insisted that the Mexicans were just lost, and now you have suddenly changed your tune and telling me how professional they are. Which is it? Let me tell you what you can do with your insinuations that I just have trouble with our Distant Neighbors. Oh yes, that's a book I have in my library. No, that is a bunch of liberal bunk you are yelling , and I'w way sick of hearing it!!!!

Originally posted by ateuprto
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

You are connecting dots that don't need to be connected. The Mexican government has indeed issued pamphlets and other information telling people how to survive in the desert. Much of Mexico is a desert....makes sense doesn't it? Not to mention they are not encouraging men and women to cross the border illegally, only helping people to survive if they do find themselves in dire straights in the scorching sand. We have signs on the interstate near the border telling people to look out for pedestrians (border hoppers) much like we do for deer. We are not encouraging illegals to cross, only trying to keep people safe and alive. I would much prefer a healthy Mexican immigrant (legal or not) on our side of the border than a dead one in-between. If you would prefer the other I wouldn't say it is a stretch that you are "heartless."

Please don't come to me with the old peace is for hippies speech. I understand that a bunch of acid-dropping wookies that think the world runs on magic can be annoying at times, but they mean no harm to anyone. Don't associate me as a hippy either por favor, I've spent many a year in the military and have put more heat down-range than you could probably imagine.

Lighten up brother, illegal immigrants are far from being a U.S. American's biggest concern at this point.

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edit on 24-6-2011 by ateuprto because: (no reason given)

And I'm afraid you are not connecting any of the dots. You are neither getting that the Mexican govt supports the reconquista invasion of the Southwest, nor that US Presidents on both the Republican and Democrats sides ignore it. I bet you laugh at the idea of the trans-corridor too, as well as warnings of the NAU. I get really tired of people waving the anti-tin-foil hat.

And when did I ever say it was the worst problem we have????? I didn't. Our worst problem is the stupidity of people who don't know we have a Marxist Prez in the WH who appointed self-avowed communists to unelected posts.

reply to post by ateuprto

Please don't come to me with the old peace is for hippies speech. I understand that a bunch of acid-dropping wookies that think the world runs on magic can be annoying at times, but they mean no harm to anyone. Don't associate me as a hippy either por favor, I've spent many a year in the military and have put more heat down-range than you could probably imagine.

No, mostly they did not mean harm to anyone but themselves, but a few turned out to be pretty bad, like, oh say Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. You know, the ones who were really commie agiators who gave speeches to college kids on campus....but they were more revolutionary types. But let's have a look at the words of John Lennon's song Imagine. Is he not describing the same Socialist Utopia that Obama and his friends want for us? Oh wait, Obama said peace peace too and now he's bombing Libya.

By the way, I never suggested making war with Mexico. I was merely pointing out the naivete in the liberal mindset about the reconquista invasion. And you went all goofy on me about it. Your responses to me are almost hysterical. The fact that you have experience with the military and yet see nothing wrong with armed military on the border, I don't know, I really wonder. In fact Katrina wasn't the only other time. It was another time they claimed to be 'lost" on our side. If any one should not be naive, it should be someone claiming to be trained military personnel.

Is this the same thing here ?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Did you guys forget why the Mexican Army crossed our border last time?



Seriously, the responses on this thread is something I'd expect on GLP or Stormfront or... Idaho. Not ATS.

reply to post by sonofliberty1776

a refugee is more narrowly defined (in Article 1A) as a person who "owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group, or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality, and is unable to or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country

So the illegals do not count. If they did, we have proceedures for those needing refugee status which, if followed, would not make them illegals.

While refugees do fall into the categories you posted above. The "well-founded fear" of returning to ones country still remains. While these people might not be being persecuted, they are subject to a government who does not seem to care if they live or die. Is a corrupt government that is not working in the interests of the people at that point, against the people.

These laws were thought up for times of war. They never took into account the effects of the drug war.

The immigration debate has been fueled by racism, classism, and nationalism since the early 19th century. The people coming to this country are not trying to destroy, that is exactly what the Know Nothings thought in the mid 19th century who were racist bigots who went on to further endorse slavery and then helped form the KKK.

Honestly? I don't care. We have our own problems that we need to fix, and they need to stay home and fix their problems.

Yay another cynic.

The problems in this country effect the whole world. Do you think only the Mexicans are responsible for cartels that were funded and armed by the US, Russia, China, and Israel (plus many many more)?

The world is a new place, this is the year 2011 where 1st world country problems are international problems. We cannot just change the US alone. There needs to be reform in multiple countries for the corruption to be destroyed. we need to help each other instead of promoting laws that were made not for the people but to oppress them.

Originally posted by Cantmakedisup
reply to post by sonofliberty1776

 

WOW DUDE!!! REALLY??? You actually think that it is a good idea to start yet another war??? To spend billions of dollars on killing more people??? Really??? That wasn't just some stupid joke? Maybe Mexico should slap you around a little bit. OR you could wake up and realize that the only way to live a safe and secure life is to treat other people the way you want to be treated. Go back to school and get educated.

I think it would be a damn fine idea to go to war with Mexico. They've been at war with us now for a generation. Dude....really.

Originally posted by Cuervo
Did you guys forget why the Mexican Army crossed our border last time?

Seriously, the responses on this thread is something I'd expect on GLP or Stormfront or... Idaho. Not ATS.

Marina?? They sellin boat gas?