vegan diet cures cancer++other diseases

reply to post by cornucopia

lol, aquatic ape...that's a new one

Not new at all, it's a rather old idea, I don't particularly agree with every facet of the theory behind it, but enough of it holds true that we should consider it a plausibility.

actually...any live/raw food containin a B vitamin will more often that not conatain ALL B's...it's just another attempt to scare people away from being vegetarian..

You can't get B12 direct from plants.

the fda could come out and say meat eaters need vitamin K, because meat does not contain K....

then what do you do?

Re-read my post. Please. The majority of our diet SHOULD BE fruits and some plants.

some sea veggies contain B12 for example...

Wrong. Sea veggies not washed contain bacteria that provide a source of B12. Plants do not have natural sources of B12 by themselves.

honestly you get everything you need and then some in raw/organic plant life...that's Truth

Most everything, but not everything and depending upon the strictness of the diet, would and does lead to malnutrition. That's the truth.

we all have a choice on what we put into our bodies...

Having a choice may be true, but that choice should be exercised to eat properly and accordingly to our physiology. We are an aquatic primate species, please eat like one if you truly want to be healthy and disease free.

once you know how these animals are tortured and treated and you still choose to eat them, hmm....there may be something there....i'm just saying...it is what it is..

Food is food. You kill plants, is that somehow more noble?

a vegan world is a peaceful world

Thanks to agriculture we're clear cutting forests and are now in the beginning stages of the sixth mass extinction event on this planet, caused by humans. How is clear cutting and destroying whole ecosystems "peaceful" so you can grow grains that are hard to digest and cause all sorts of diseases?

there is no comparison between flesh or a muscle of an animal and let's say the good old bannana...

one has bio-photons..lifeforce..live enzymes...probiotics..etc..

the other is dead, low frequency, low vibration...etc.etc.

Complete unscientific garbage. What the hell is a bio-photon?

reply to post by sirnex



nice breakdown




it's funny how i am vegan and vegetarian since 2008 and i feel the best i have ever felt...


hmm...there is something to this

i think i get my b12 too!


lol


release the programming.....release....and remember


i am not an aquatic ape, you can believe whatever you want though..


i am a galactic human...


in the end i will be drinking green/fruit smoothies....all raw...all organic....all living..in perfect health,, with all strands of DNA activated...

Well I has been a meat eater all my live and for the last two weeks I took the decision to try the vegan diet full force, means not even eggs, milk or cheese just raw and steam vegetables, brown organic rice and organic fruits, in a detox program to lower blood pressure and cholesterol.

The results so far, allergies are incredibly decreased, stomach issues gone and to tell you the truth I don't feel deprived have more energy than ever before and my skin is glowing plus lost 3 pounds.

I am on a 6 week program I think I will stick with it, but later on I will add some fatty fish to help with my good oil intake.

I will keep posting what I seen so far with my own experience.

BTW only oil allowed is olive oil.

reply to post by cornucopia


Well where is the peer reviewed scientific journals to prove this? I understand that excessive animal protein can increase the risk of certain cancers but you make an extraordinary claim.... If this were true I think most of us would have become vegan.

Sorry I do not buy it.

Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by cornucopia

 

Well where is the peer reviewed scientific journals to prove this? I understand that excessive animal protein can increase the risk of certain cancers but you make an extraordinary claim.... If this were true I think most of us would have become vegan.

Sorry I do not buy it.

watch the movie....

8,000,000 person study in china...

stuff mainstream media doesn't share with us..

reply to post by marg6043


Yes I notice that many white vegetarians seem to have very clear skins. I avoid milk which seems to reduce my hayfever, colds and sinus problems. I am wary of total vegetarianism and veganism. The "one size fits all" model is not right.

reply to post by marg6043



awesome sis!

nice...

you can get those omegas in walnuts, flax seeds and hemp seeds...


i do eat salmon occasionally, but i'd rather just be strict...

lol, i do have willpower issues from time to time...


all is well though...

reply to post by Tiger5


Yes you are right one diet doesn't fit all, the reason I am on the more drastic approach is because the detox program I am on for 6 weeks to lower the two issues I am trying to address, but then I will slowly add fish.

reply to post by cornucopia


Yes I am munching on walnuts, cashews and cranberries, that is for the Omega oils needs.

reply to post by cornucopia


That's all nice, but you're avoiding the point and derailing the topic. This ins't a discussion about the ethical treatment of animals. It's about vegan diets and their efficacy in preventing chronic disease compared to omnivorous diets.

reply to post by cornucopia

i do eat salmon occasionally, but i'd rather just be strict...

You're not vegan.

it's funny how i am vegan and vegetarian since 2008 and i feel the best i have ever felt...

You're not vegan.

hmm...there is something to this

i think i get my b12 too!

You're not vegan, that's why you still get adequate B12.

release the programming.....release....and remember

You're not vegan or vegetarian, why don't you realize that? You feel better because because you're eating a good ratio of fruit/veg to animal foods.

i am not an aquatic ape, you can believe whatever you want though..

You're physiology disagrees with you. You're a primate with a subcutaneous layer of fat. Something all mammals that spend time in water have. Possibly this is why you have lack of will power and keep eating fish. Cause you're not a god damn vegan.

i am a galactic human...

Considering the harmful effects of gamma radiation, which permeates all of space throughout the entire galaxy... I say your full of BS. You can believe whatever you want though.

in the end i will be drinking green/fruit smoothies....all raw...all organic....all living..in perfect health,, with all strands of DNA activated...

Depending upon the ingredients in your smoothie and how often you drink that crap, you're just hurting yourself. Your body isn't adapted to consuming such a high caloric intake, possibly filled with plant matter that contains anti-nutrients. I take it you're drinking a full 8oz glass like a moron as a thirst quenching drink right? Should only have at most three shot glasses full a day.

reply to post by cornucopia



hi, your body will store some nutrients for quite some time. please think about a good vegan multivitamin for when this "store" runs out.

reply to post by ANOK


Here...I'll clarify since you're not quite grasping what I'm getting at.

Meat doesn't rot in the gut. Plant matter does. It's an absolute myth that meat sets up camp in the stomach and gut and takes forever to digest.

Plant matter, at least the food that is indigestible by enzymatic processes in the stomach (also known as dietary fiber), enters the gut and is fermented by gut flora (that would be called microbial fermentation), which is the definition of rot.

Carbohydrate fermentation and absorption

Without gut flora, the human body would be unable to utilize some of the undigested carbohydrates it consumes, because some types of gut flora have enzymes that human cells lack for breaking down certain polysaccharides.[3] Rodents raised in a sterile environment and lacking in gut flora need to eat 30% more calories just to remain the same weight as their normal counterparts.[3] Carbohydrates that humans cannot digest without bacterial help include certain starches, fiber, oligosaccharides and sugars that the body failed to digest and absorb[2][8][9] like lactose in the case of lactose intolerance and sugar alcohols, mucus produced by the gut, and proteins.[8] A further result is flatulence, specifically due to the metabolism of oligosaccharides (notably from beans) by many different species.

Bacteria turn carbohydrates they ferment into short chain fatty acids, or SCFAs,[7][8][9] by a form of fermentation called saccharolytic fermentation.[8] Products include acetic acid, propionic acid and butyric acid.[7][8][9] These materials can be used by host cells, providing a major source of useful energy and nutrients for humans,[8] as well as helping the body to absorb essential dietary minerals such as calcium, magnesium and iron.[2] Gases and organic acids, such as lactic acid, are also produced by saccharolytic fermentation.[9] Acetic acid is used by muscle, propionic acid helps the liver produce ATP, and butyric acid provides energy to gut cells and may prevent cancer.[8] Evidence also indicates that bacteria enhance the absorption and storage of lipids[3] and produce and then facilitate the body to absorb needed vitamins like vitamin K.

It's also worth noting that the fermentation process ends with Fatty Acids.

And to address your external content that is so desperately trying to explain the digestive system:

Have you had a look at a gorilla's teeth? Go search it in google images to refresh your memory. Remember, gorillas are herbivorous. Looking judging by their teeth, most wouldn't think so. But, it's not the teeth that determine one's evolutionarily intended diet. It's the gut. We don't need big shredding teeth to devour meat because we've developed technology. Once our ancestors began developing tools to hunt and kill prey and cut flesh...our biological evolution, in terms of teeth anyway, was no longer needed because it was replaced with technological evolution.

Gorillas can properly digest dietary fiber (cellulose) because they have such a huge gut filled with microbes designed to ferment the fiber for caloric availability. We, as humans, don't. (Also, gorillas must forage around all day to meet daily caloric demands for metabolism)

Originally posted by gougitousakusha
reply to post by cornucopia

 

hi, your body will store some nutrients for quite some time. please think about a good vegan multivitamin for when this "store" runs out.

You don't find multivitamins growing on trees... just saying.

Cornucopia doesn't need to take multivitamins geared for vegans anyway, he/she eats fish. Why people have to create posts about the wonders of veganism whilst not being a vegan is beyond me.

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


Excellent post. Most people would rather buy into the hypes and fads rather than doing basic rudimentary research, shame really.

Just hope the OP isn't drinking his/her smoothies with raw kale and spinach.

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


I think I understand what you are saying since I had to research a bit on my own (more people should its a good habit) especially since I deal with an iron problem. What I had found out was that I was misinformed about both meat and plant foods. What I have come to conclusion on is that they are both equally as valid yet digest and absorb iron differently, plants contain both types of iron (heme and non heme) but very little of the easily absorbed iron (heme) and lots of non heme iron that has to be changed before its absorbed by the body. While im not doubling up on my meat intake, I definitely would not feel comfortable in going all vegan. I might have misinterpreted what I read, but your post seems relevant to me and what I have researched myself.

reply to post by ANOK


I'm not trying to prove that meat is necessary. I am, however, trying to dispel the myths being propagated in this thread by you and others that meat and animal products are responsible for the modern diseases of civilization (chronic disease), as the title suggests.

In my opinion, scouring google for blogs and books to support your arguments and beliefs is really searching for excuses.

There really is only one reason why animal fats aren't considered to be good fats, and that would be its saturated fat content. Unfortunately, the idea that saturated fat is bad for you is A) Overly simplistic, as saturated fat comes in many forms (animal and plant), B) in contradiction with the vast body of scientific evidence. Saturated fat, if anything, is good for you, according to just about every study over the past 10 years (and ones in the past if you look at the data).

And, just so you know, a steak is half saturated fat and half mono-unsaturated fat...in the form of oleic-acid (olive oil).

I refuse to be a vegan, I like the meats I do eat.
Being selective of what you consume is the key.
What many do not understand is it is not just the vegetables that will keep you healthy.
Maintaining the body PH levels at 7.0 to 8.0 is the real key to avoiding health issues
and warding off cancer.
The body requires a higher alkaline balance, and when the body lives too long in an acidic state
then the breakdown of tissues begin. the body compensates by steeling essential vitamins and
minerals from parts of the body to support the other organs needed for life. In an acidic body, when it
is so for to long, the eventual failure begins and things like cancer develop.
Research things like "How to balance the body PH".

reply to post by sirnex


I'm curious, why are you concerned about kale?

I am guessing you mention spinach because of the oxalic acid it contains. Is that it?

Originally posted by JohnnyTHSeed
reply to post by sirnex

 

I'm curious, why are you concerned about kale?

I am guessing you mention spinach because of the oxalic acid it contains. Is that it?

I read somewhere that it contains anti-nutrients. I personally don't eat many vegetables. I stick to a diet of mostly fruits, very few plants, some nuts and seeds (but not a lot) and fish a few times a week. Currently trying to find a way to get a variety of insects into my diet as well, but unfortunately the local grocery store doesn't sell any. I would also say stay away from grains.