vegan diet cures cancer++other diseases

reply to post by triplemmm
its more likely pesticides or as another poster said soy based products formed to look like meats are processed foods. im glad your son came through and all but look at the bigger picture please. do you believe the lacck of meat made him susceptible to cancer?

For the people arguing that vegetarians are weak are completely wrong.

sports.yahoo.com...

This article is several months old and since then ALOT of fighters have switched to a vegetarian diet when preparing for a big fight.

The Article is a good read.

reply to post by Labotomized


wow TY soo much for bringing that to my attention... been going crazy over MMA lately. thats really awesome

Vegan diet and the "new version" going on around of "raw live foods" is good for certain types of individuals, not for everybody as one size doesn't fit on this one.

I am a high protein eater means I like beef, poultry and sea food, but now while I am not over weight and exercise often I have high cholesterol and high blood pressure, I know for a fact that a vegan diet will bring down both my problems, hate to admit this but I am now on a completely vegan diet until I get my problem resolve.

Yes I love bacon and eggs every morning but I am giving that for the time being, once my problems gets under control I will start with sea food, then the rest and keep monitoring.

Like I say, vegan diet will bring the high blood pressure, weight problem and cholesterol down in not time, but is not something I will do for life.

Originally posted by triplemmm
reply to post by cornucopia

 

This can't be true as my son who has been Vegan for 24 years had Stomache cancer recently. He's OK now, but had to have a portion of his intestines removed. In my opinion we are meant to eat meat, hence the canine molars.

We don't have canine molars lol. Our canine teeth are actually useless as canine teeth. Go look at a dog and see the difference. Canines are for tearing meat, our are too short to do that.

Molars are for grinding food.

Originally posted by Wulfric
reply to post by gypsychology909

 

it was consuming meat which actually made humans more intelligent due to increasing the brain size / density. Look at a vegan, then look at someone who eats a healthy balanced diet. Tell me who LOOKS healthier, the skinny chump or the more muscular one

edit on 20-6-2011 by Wulfric because: (no reason given)

There is no evidence for that claim. Brain size has nothing to do with intelligence, elephants brains are much larger than ours for example. Chimps have brains half our size yet they are smarter than a 5th grader elephant. And last of all why are dogs not intelligent? If a cow started eating meat would it's brain grow, along with opposable thumbs lol?

Also looks can be deceiving.

reply to post by ANOK


Here are my sources.

www.dietsinreview.com...

www.berkeley.edu...


Also, evidence that we actually evolved into omnivores after switching to a partly meat diet

news.nationalgeographic.com...

reply to post by gypsychology909


Ah, but a horse has a tiny brain. Humanity's relationship with protein is the reason why we have evolved a brain the size that it is.

Veganism is a lifestyle choice, made possible by science, food transportation and understanding diet and nutrition. If veganism reduces some types of cancer - and other medical conditions - then that's good. However, it is not all "good", because advantages bring disadvantages and vegans have an increased risk of osteoporosis, rickets and a whole host of other risks associated with vitamin (etc) deficiencies.

Swings and roundabouts.

Regards

Originally posted by Wulfric
Vegans are also pretty skinny with not much muscle weight, and would generally have more health problems than an ordinary healthy balanced diet with the exception of cancer (IF) this is true.

not true actually....

stereotyping is not helping the Human race...


there are even bodybuilders that are vegan..not that i think body building is healthy or natural though..


fyi

Originally posted by Painterz
A friend of mine believed this, when she got cancer. She refused conventional medical treatment because she believed a combination of diet, meditation, yoga and crystal healing, could cure her.

She died 6 months later. Of what was a very very treatable form of cancer.

i don't believe you

are you a paid shill? you can be honest


that protocol you listed is the remedy for such an illness, well that along with forgiveness and love...because some cancer is karma or holding onto some negative thought/energy...possibly a block of energy at some point...

i would add accupressure to the protocol...

much love to ALL souls, may they wake up and be their true selves..

namaste

Originally posted by triplemmm
reply to post by cornucopia

 

This can't be true as my son who has been Vegan for 24 years had Stomache cancer recently. He's OK now, but had to have a portion of his intestines removed. In my opinion we are meant to eat meat, hence the canine molars.

not meant to eat meat, you got programmed!


who told you we had to eat meat?

school?

the fda?

the bible?

the mainstream media?

all control structures ....

Science Verifies That Humans' Ancestors Were Frugivores
www.scribd.com...


not that i'm religous, lol..but do you think Jesus ate meat?

he did not

oh well...i'm just sharing

we all have our own paths to take

reply to post by cornucopia


Yeap you are right! Also check out www.naturalnews.com...

reply to post by Wulfric


They're just opinions not proof, it's just speculation.

Why would Humans eating meat, be different from other meat eating animals?

We are all the same on the inside, there is nothing unique to Human biology to support that claim.

The only thing I will give you is meat eating might have played a part in our mental evolution, as in giving humans more time for intellectual pursuits maybe but that is about it.

This study claims vege's are more intelligent than meat eater, but that could be that smart people choose to be a vege more than idiots but...

A study of thousands of men and women revealed that those who stick to a vegetarian diet have IQs that are around five points higher than those who regularly eat meat.

Writing in the British Medical Journal, the researchers say it isn't clear why veggies are brainier - but admit the fruit and veg-rich vegetarian diet could somehow boost brain power.

So these researchers think a veg-rich diet could make us smarter. So no, the meat made is intelligent claim is not a fact, only another researchers opinion.

i thought agriculture led to civilization and gave more time to learn and led to larger grouping of people to spread intellect... im not seeing how meat = brain.

reply to post by cornucopia


You know, all it takes is a quick look at past and present cultures/indigenous people to see how terribly wrong it is to assume animal products are responsible for cancer and chronic disease. The longest living people on the planet are not vegan, they're omnivorous.

OP: Cherry picking data is not a good way to present evidence. Try looking at epidemiology and perhaps a little paleoanthropology before jumping to conclusions based on one sample.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by cornucopia

 

You know, all it takes is a quick look at past and present cultures/indigenous people to see how terribly wrong it is to assume animal products are responsible for cancer and chronic disease. The longest living people on the planet are not vegan, they're omnivorous.

How can you make that claim? AFAIK there is no conclusive data on that.

Cultures that are vegetarian do not necessarily eat the best diet.

But it is a fact that vegetarians have less heart disease.

Vegetarians suffer fewer heart attacks than meat eaters. 24-37 Interestingly, this benefit dissipates as vegetarians age. For instance, one study showed that vegetarians under the age of 65 were 45% less like to suffer a heart attack than were meat eaters. Once vegetarians reached the age of 80, however, their heart attack risk was only 8% lower than that of meat eaters.38

www.lef.org...

Personally I think meat is OK in moderation, but it's been turned into a massive money making industry that is detrimental to ours and our Earths health. We are supposed to eat a vege based diet, not a meat based diet. We are not designed to digest a constant intake of meat, it stays in our system too long. A carnivore has a short intestine in order to digest the meat quickly before it starts rotting.

reply to post by gypsychology909


That's a pretty horrible comparison, as horses ferment cellulose, from grass and hay, in their hind-gut, something humans are unable to do.

some of you reading this thread
might be interested in a similar thread.

Coffee may aggravate arthritis

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I stopped drinking coffee and the majority
of my arthritis pain has gone away.

reply to post by gougitousakusha


Well, it goes like this:

As vegetarians, our ancestors forage around all day just to meat the caloric needs of the body. They were literally eating all day. And, considering the high caloric demand of the extremely large and complex digestive systems of herbivores, such as cattle, it's understandable that we simply couldn't develop a larger brain due to the lack of energy.

Meat, conversely, is energy dense and doesn't require such a large digestive system. The introduction of meat allowed for more calories and for the digestive system to shorten over time which allowed more energy to be allocated to brain development. Eventually, it would have become apparent that animal products were much more efficient and satiating.

Plus, since less time is being spent foraging, it's possible to assume there was more free time for technology to be developed (obviously for hunting) which undoubtedly led to further development of brain function and technological advances.

Originally posted by ANOK

How can you make that claim? AFAIK there is no conclusive data on that.

Epidemiology.

But it is a fact that vegetarians have less heart disease.

No, it's an association found by one study. I'll make two quick points about observational studies comparing vegetarians to the Standard American Diet (SAD).

1) The majority of the time, Vegetarians will be healthier than the typical american consuming the SAD. However, it's fallacious to assume that their vegetarian diet is the cause of this based on observations alone. Sure, vegetarian diets are associated with reduced incidence of atherosclerosis and Myocardial Infarction. But vegetarians are more health conscious the than the typical american. They don't smoke as frequently. They workout regularly. And they're more likely to avoid sugar and fried foods. These are what researchers like to call CONFOUNDERS. Because there are too many confounding factors in observational studies, it's ridiculous to make claims like the one you have made.

2) The Maasai people of Kenya consume a diet almost entirely of cows blood, meat and milk. They have almost no incidence of heart disease, as confirmed by clinical testing. (as a side note, they're have extremely low cholesterol levels, which contradicts the notion held by modern american standards that high fat/cholesterol diets lead to increased cholesterol and heart disease). And, no, this is not an exception. There are many other examples like this around the world, although not as pronounced.

We are supposed to eat a vege based diet, not a meat based diet. We are not designed to digest a constant intake of meat, it stays in our system too long. A carnivore has a short intestine in order to digest the meat quickly before it starts rotting.

We've clearly evolved to eat both plants and animals. But to suggest that meat stays in our system for too long is simply a misconception of the human digestive system. It's vegetables, mainly the ones that are green, that tend to stay in the digestive system and rot (it's called bacterial fermentation). We don't have the digestive system that can efficiently digest plant matter like herbivorous reminants.

Meat doesn't rot in the gut....plant matter does.