Judge has harsh words for Mom before sentencing her for spanking her kid

reply to post by LexiconRiot


I have to respond to that by saying I'm a 27 year old, thus in your generation and also had a single working mother yet still got spankings from her, both grandparents etc as I said in my first comment.

While I don't hold the views that "all children today are to blame for not being spanked", I do feel that from my experiences in the last decade with the behaviour of those in their teens and early 20s, the lack of discipline in their lives and parents who couldn't care less is a definite part in the unruliness of the youth in today's society.

reply to post by JakiusFogg

No you won't get flamed by me. It's funny how well "wait til your father gets home" works even in my house where my husband does not believe in spanking at all and refuses to do it. I'm the one who administers the spankings, thankfully almost extinct, now that my child is nearly seven and highly amenable to reasoning. I feel very blessed to have a husband who is a good father to our child. I commend all single parents who do a good job and raise their children well. That takes some serious effort. But it never fails to amaze me the authority and security a good father brings to the table when raising kids and so I'm glad I have this influence in our daughter's life. It's not that we are raising our daughter to be subservient to a man. There is just something really special good dads bring to the table. I don't even know how to define or describe it. Dad-magic?

reply to post by mutantgenius


Again I agree with you. It is not a front line of defense, and should not be used as such. credit to you that your daughter has been educated so well.

A lot of kids though do need, in the absence of all reason, a physical stimuli. I feel especially boys. I don't know why, maybe that is just my experience.

Yes you can talk to them, yes they will sometimes understand. I am not a big advocate of "Don't do that, Why? because I said so"

Always explain why, and teach them why. But sometimes especially when behavior is dangerous. A short sharp shock is required, and balanced against the severity of the situation. to me it makes sense.

They need, sometimes, at a time when they cannot comprehend that which is outside there level of experience the consequence of an action, which may end up normally with them being dead, injured, or someone else the same. Rather a smack, then the former!

reply to post by SheeplFlavoredAgain


I like that, Dad--Magic. hehehehe

reply to post by dolphinfan


So, almost every poster on this thread believes that it's fine to hit a two-year old child so hard as to leave red marks. And most of you believe that you should be free to do that, and that 'socialism' is trying to stop you.

Sometimes ATS is a very strange place to be.

reply to post by Snippy23


Please cite eveidence of that statement you just made by direct quotation! now!

How dare you.

Originally posted by curious7
reply to post by LexiconRiot

 

I have to respond to that by saying I'm a 27 year old, thus in your generation and also had a single working mother yet still got spankings from her, both grandparents etc as I said in my first comment.

While I don't hold the views that "all children today are to blame for not being spanked", I do feel that from my experiences in the last decade with the behaviour of those in their teens and early 20s, the lack of discipline in their lives and parents who couldn't care less is a definite part in the unruliness of the youth in today's society.

There has always been #ty parents and poorly disciplined children. This is not a new phenomenon. I wasn't spanked and my mother was barely around yet I choose to spank. I think you would see less "unruliness" if communities gave a crap about each other. I do not think there is anymore or less of it then in times past though. I think its just more in the public view due to new technologies.

When my kids got out of line I used what I thought was the worst punishement inflicted on me.
I worked my kids out, pushups, situps, wall squats, Etc. almost never hit them, maybe a half dozen times for a half dozen kids.
The best part is I got 4 boys at state level wrestling, very fit and not afraid to speak their minds to anyone.
But nowadays I should have gone the Dennis Leary method and smacked the crap outta my kids.
My folks hit me and their folks hit them, all the way down through history.
Nowadays we cannot hit our kids and look at where we are.

this is one reason why government should not interfere with the decisions made my parents

Originally posted by Snippy23
reply to post by dolphinfan

 

So, almost every poster on this thread believes that it's fine to hit a two-year old child so hard as to leave red marks. And most of you believe that you should be free to do that, and that 'socialism' is trying to stop you.

Sometimes ATS is a very strange place to be.

The parent did no damage to their child. I don't know why she felt it necessary to so discipline a 2 year old, but it was obviously not a case of child abuse. The government needs to butt out and let parents raise their children. Had it been abuse, it would be a different story entirely.

reply to post by g146541


That is an excellent technique, and one I am going to try, when he gets older.

See, ATS DOES have it's uses!

reply to post by sonofliberty1776


When is it abuse though?

According to the article (that provides little to this case) the child had marks on her. A two year old was hit so hard that marks were left - and that is not abuse? A two year old should never be hit. There is nothing so bad a two year old can do that deserves to be hit and wounded. That is screwed up IMO....

This is actually highly upsetting to me. I cannot even fathom inflicting that kind of pain on a child....that it leaves a mark.

To those that scream child abuse and the safety of children versus good governance.

I cite that you look up "Baby P"

Maybe then you will understand the difference.

so much good, the governance did there. utterly disgusting.

reply to post by greeneyedleo


G.E.L

I understand where you are coming from, however even the most normal or strikes on a fleshy area will cause reddening. You can do it on yourself easily.

This is not abuse, but a physiological reaction.
I understand you were beaten severely as a child with foreign objects, paddles belts etc. Yes that is abuse.

Chastisement should only ever be the skin of your hand. and that is all.

When it bruises it is too far, but honestly reddening will happen anyway.

reply to post by JakiusFogg


Yeah best off is, by the time they can beat the hell outta you.
They also know what a dirty, treacherous bastard you can be when needed.
Age and treachery will always overcome youth and exhuberance.

reply to post by g146541


Exactly, have you ever tried playing your grandad at chess???

I am absolutely floored! We can kill adults but we cannot spank a child?

This has got to stop! It is high time punishment for wrong-doing becomes the norm! Personally I would pull that Judge's pants down and spank him myself! Publicly!

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by g146541

 

Exactly, have you ever tried playing your grandad at chess???

When I was young I used to lose to my grandad at rummy because he was better.
When I grew older, I used to win because I was better.
When I became an adult, I used to lose because I respected, loved, and admired him.

reply to post by beezzer


Ahh you missed the reference.

Old people are great at fighting because they have had many years practicing not dying!!! (paraphrase)

Terry Pratchett

Originally posted by JakiusFogg
reply to post by beezzer

 

Ahh you missed the reference.

Old people are great at fighting because they have had many years practicing not dying!!!

No, I got it. Apologies. Just miss my grandad.

ETA; my favorite quote, "Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day, but set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life." Terry Pratchett