Childhood diseases return as parents refuse vaccines

reply to post by SaturnFX


You are one sick person.

www.sailhome.org...


Uh oh! O.P. has som 'splainin to do!


Look at the graphs.

reply to post by Revolution9


If you want proof, why don't you go and study biology..

The immune system does work that way.. But here's the kicker. The vaccines strengthen the immune system without almost killing you in the process.

And diseases can actually weaken your immune system even when you're no longer sick.

reply to post by hawkiye

Really? Show me the double blind studies that prove vaccines have prevented any disease? You are smart enough to realize not to take swine flu and other vaccines why in the world would you trust their word on other vaccines. Stop blindly believing and look at the facts and proof. Proof Vaccines Do Not Work

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All I'm saying is only certain ones are harmful. I said nothing about wheather they work or not.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
This is a good thing though
its social darwinism...if people adhere to anti-vaccine psychology, then breed, well...its not like their children are coming from fantastic stock to begin with.

In a world populated with far too many morons, having the kids of morons die through preventable issues seems perfectly acceptable, if not desirable.

If people decide to simply forgo advanced medicine, and take their chances on prayer, well...more power to them, and the end result is a greater percentage of the population contributing to the enhancement of medical understanding once the mindset (along with the nuts) die out...literally.

bit cold, but their "sacrifice" will be a good example for the rest on the benefits of modern day medicine.

This isnt a religous issue, its a health one. Though, its kind possible due to the video I linked above and the God Gene that it is a sprititual issue, and related to being turned into lesser consciousness.

Social Darwinism is related to the animal jungle and the whats coded into this universe/cosmos/test.

In the testing ground the point between light and dark, opposition. Survival of the fittest or cooperation. Love/Hate, health/sickness, selflessness/selfishness, all are possibilities.

But its not easy, for we have to overcome the coding in ourselves, our quick reactions, opinions and judgments to reach for understanding, peace, unity, to walk in anothers footsteps, compassion, a willingness to allow the freedom of others without control, envisioning a world of equality.

Social Darwinism is the Shadow side, nothing to value in it, only to overcome.

Here let me put it as plainly and legally as I can. You know all those pseudo laws they pass, those fake bills. They are corporate ownership laws, they are intrinsically fasicism and slavery and inherently illegal and crimes by their nature. And without you being aware, for ignorance of the law is no excuse, by obeying their laws, including drug laws, you are committing crimes. Not that their SS military force can't hurt, seize, kidnap you against your will, more crimes, if you disobey, but all of this including their prisons, which is forced capture and enslavement are all crimes against humanity. SEVERE ONES!

Officer: Do you under stand?

Me: No officer, I do NOT STAND UNDER you, I am a real flesh and blood woman/person with unalienable rights.

When you obey or stand under you become their property in their eyes.

No one may touch your body without your consent. Nor from airborn or through environmental contimination, through no method. For that is harm under real law, common law.

reply to post by syrinx high priest

I don't want to bury my kids because their classmates parents thought it was OK for their kids to be walking typhoid mary's

If your kids are immunized what do you have to worry about?

They're safe aren't they?

reply to post by mb2591
[more "Well if you want a source so bad you can go find it. I don't care. I trust my doctor". and your dentist trusts ADA who promote flouride,and your doctor trusts AMA a division of the big pharma

Originally posted by Griffo


A 4 year old boy called Landon was living in a homeless shelter when he first became ill. He started with a fever of ~40*C, then proceeded to develop a rash on his forehead. The rash then spread to his mouth and throat, so swallowing was torture. He began vomiting and developed a cough that nearly choked him. He was rushed to the emergency room and hospitalized for five days.

To bad the parents or people in charge didnt take their kid to the hospital a whole lot sooner ..it probably wouldnt have been that big of a deal if they had!!!!!!! Where were they???????

Originally posted by nightbringr

Originally posted by mb2591
You have more of a chance to get sick and/or die from a vaccine then you have if you get no vaccine at all
I urge every one to stay away from vaccines

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Remember a little thing called smallpox? This dandy of an infectious disease was responsible for the deaths of 400,000 europeans each year leading up to the 19th century, and killed 300-500 million in the 20th century alone.

Eradicated by good old vaccination! Imagine the bodycount these days if all people had this attitude with smallpox?

Granted, measles is no smallpox, but there is no reason to believe that these vaccines are killing us. A few die this year, but if lack of vaccinations keep up, eventually this could become an pandemic.

You should read the whole thread your like the 40th person to say this

reply to post by Griffo


All you have to do is give them a small dose of Colloidal Silver and vitamins. Vaccines are genetically engineered illnesses which when shildren ARE NOT vaccinated but are given the correct nutrition, will always be kept safe from these MAN MADE diseases!! ALL DISEASE IS MAN MADE. So many doctors have proven this and it is kept from view.

Silver kills ALL bad bacteria and viruses instantly. We have been deprived of it. Vitamin D in a dose of 4-8 thousand IU's a day will prevent illness also and boost immune systems. Lets be real here. Stop the scare tactics and the BS!!!!!

Originally posted by freeradical1
reply to post by mb2591
[more "Well if you want a source so bad you can go find it. I don't care. I trust my doctor". and your dentist trusts ADA who promote flouride,and your doctor trusts AMA a division of the big pharma

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I doubt it seeing as I don't know of many other doctors that promote this..
And dentist fluoride is not that bad for you as you don't ingest it.. That said I prefer not to get any fluoride treatment. The most serious effects from fluoride come from. The fluoride that you ingest from drinking water

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
So now people who are concerned about vaccines having negative effects are morons?

Misanthopic much?

Being concerned with the safety of vaccines isn't a problem.

But being able to tell the difference between quackery and science is a useful skill, which some people lack.

Like the people citing smallpox deaths as a reason to not get their children vaccinated when smallpox has been eradicated. Even the doctors that recommend vaccines are concerned about them and they realize they are stressful and don't recommend them for everybody.

I'm a hippie. I'm a raw vegan. I grow my own produce. I recycle. I don't take medications. I don't use chemicals on my body or my son's. This change happened in me when my mom died of cancer... and when she died believing in the medical system. She died smoking and eating meat. The doctors never told her to stop that sort of thing, just pushed more chemo and surgery on her. She had to sign consent forms agreeing to take the medical treatments and not sue even though the chemo and radiation WOULD cause cancer later on. Different cancer... because it's carcinogenic.

How smart. Give cancer patients drugs that will make them better temporarily, then give them more cancer later on, so then they'll believe in it since it made them better temporarily, but then the medical system gets repeat customers over and over and over.

As you can see, I'm not the sort of person who would give her child immunizations. But I have. In fact, just today my 14-month-old just had his one year shots. It scares the hell out of me. I do believe there's a connection between shots and autism. I also believe there's evidence, even though they keep telling me there isn't. Since when are the testimonies of tons of people not considered evidence?

BUT. As scared as I am of all the hidden crap they put in those things and how I know they have other reasons for pushing shots on us (like what the heck is with pushing flu shots on everyone, and why is it that my kid has to have all his chicken pox vaccines to get into kindergarten or daycare? I had chicken pox... everyone I know has, and everyone's ok, wtf?)... I'm still more scared of what could happen if he doesn't have them. I've had all my shots and I'm still healthy, intelligent and a freethinker. My husband has had all his shots... everyone I know has, and most people are fine. They get sick if their diet is a load of crap and they soak in chemicals all day long. Duh, why wouldn't they get sick. However, I KNOW FOR A FACT that kids are dying of diseases. I have KNOWN kids who have died of the diseases these shots prevent. If I didn't give my son shots, I'd be scared every time I took him to the grocery store and someone coughed. In fact, I'd be scared even when he was, like, 60. I'd be sitting there, an old lady, thinking about how he's completely unprotected from all of these diseases. I don't know any kids who have autism. I don't know any kids who have any problems because of shots. Most kids have all their shots and most kids are ok.

And btw, I waited a couple months to get his shots because he's had ear infections since his first birthday that were hard to get rid of and I didn't want to give him shots until I felt his immune system had recovered. Also, today they wanted to "save him a poke" by giving him a drink that has three vaccines in it, two of which he needed today. However, the drink also had a polio vaccine in it and if he'd taken it, he would've had an extra polio vaccine in his lifetime, "which shouldn't hurt him." I said no and to give him the extra shot. They asked me, "Why torture him when you don't have to?" and acted like I was abusive. My response was, "Why put extra chemicals in his body when I don't have to?" There's also logic involved that maybe some parents don't apply.

Originally posted by freeradical1
reply to post by mb2591
[more "Well if you want a source so bad you can go find it. I don't care. I trust my doctor". and your dentist trusts ADA who promote flouride,and your doctor trusts AMA a division of the big pharma

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UHM.... jada.ada.org...

Conclusions. Greater fluoride intakes from reconstituted powdered formulas (when participants were aged 3–9 months) and other water-added beverages (when participants were aged 3–9 months) increased fluorosis risk, as did higher dentifrice intake by participants when aged 16 to 36 months.

Might want to either put your foot in your mouth or pull it out and learn the truth.

Here is my last input on this topic.

First, So sad that those who think vaccinating is the "right" choice have to be so damn nasty about our children who are not vaccinated. Did any of you that vaccinate ever consider its a new virus that's going around caused by your vaccinated children? Again, I will say because my children who have never been vaccinated against chicken pox, and those who have-have yet to give it to my children. So my un-vaccinated children, who have been beside your vaccinated children, who have come down with the chicken pox, WHY? HOW? Yet my kids are unable to catch it through yours?! Think about it! Whose kids are actually spreading the infectious disease? Obviously its not mine!

One poster who told the story of her grand child coming down with the whooping cough, did you ever consider it was from the vaccine itself? And those adults who were around the vaccinated child ended up contracting it? Look at the picture...first shot, then whooping cough, then adults catching it...who was the one spreading it? The child with the immunization!

Lastly...I have relatives who work in CDC, Dow Pharmaceutical, and government research labs for pharmaceutical companies, not to mention a few friends who are Pediatric specialist. I know first hand, non of these "professionals" will give themselves or their families immunizations. My uncle, who worked for the government, doing research for immunizations, told me stories that would spin your head. To hear of a meeting (I heard the tape myself) where the CDC was laughing, because of the immunizations that they were giving the foreign public, would cause millions to have cancerous growths that would enable the USA to win the Olympics, before administering it to our own "poor folks" ...it was enough to make one sick!

Not to mention my relatives who work for the research for Pharmaceutical Companies, they would NOT vaccinate their children, or even rarely give them any RX from a Dr. They know what goes into them, they don't want their kids on them...they advised me to stay away from them.

For those of you who think we are uneducated, ignorant, miss informed, abusing our children, etc...I ask you all, what PROOF do you have that your decision is CORRECT? How do you KNOW that you are doing the right thing, and the rest of us are endangering YOU and your children?

I have read some pretty nasty comments on this thread. Some are just informing in a nice way, but a lot are not. To be considered one who is abusing my (our) children, are you 100% SURE about that? Where is YOUR proof that that is the facts? You want to spew your nasty comments, thoughts, misconceptions? ..BACK THEM UP! Where is your proof that you are able to sit so high and mighty? That you are SO RIGHT-show us the proof? I have it, I don't need it from you. I already know...but for those on this thread who are being ripped apart by you, prove your point with proof! Stop pointing the finger at those who have done research (beyond the dr.s opinion), stop calling them child abusers, stop saying that they are harming their children. Until you can prove without a shadow of a doubt, PROOF, that you are so damn RIGHT, then shut up!

If I had a way to put an audio on here, back from 1983, which would make it a "tape" I would...I have the CDC meeting on tape, they talk about some pretty nasty stuff that they are doing to the general public, along with foreign country people. And they are laughing about it. You people who listen to the CDC reports would be appalled..I know I was! And that was 28 years ago!

One vaccine for polio that causes cancer.... Hmmm... sounds like a good trade to me

www.cancer.gov...

The NCI is continuing to evaluate the possible link between SV40 infection and human cancers through intramural research conducted by the Division of Cancer Epidemiology and Genetics (DCEG), which is still monitoring populations known to have been exposed to SV40-contaminated vaccines.

Polio vaccine (oral) not 100% effect ....

www.cbsnews.com...

But it is made from a live polio virus - albeit weakened - which carries a small risk of causing polio for every million or so doses given. In even rarer instances, the virus in the vaccine can mutate into a deadlier version that ignites new outbreaks. Read more: www.cbsnews.com...

But again you pro vaxers know what is right and wrong and anyone else with a different opinion is wrong. Well where is your god now (also just fyi god did not make vaccines as they are not in the bible so I can't understand why some people believe in them so much) ?

Originally posted by hawkiye
reply to post by brianmg5

 

Please provide better evidence than the site you posted. Please show me where the CDC says that vaccines don't do anything. You have provided zero CREDIBLE evidence to support your claims.

It helps if you actually read the cite AND THE NUMEROUS REFERENCES to CDC and doctors and Scientist other data. Once you do that then you can attempt to refute them. You have provided nothing that discredits any of the sources. Until then your post is just a poor attempt at obfuscation distraction and personal attacks and just plain useless rhetoric with no substance.

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edit on 17-6-2011 by hawkiye because: (no reason given)

I looked at the site, I read the references. I saw ZERO credible references. And some of the links didn't work. don't expect me to confirm your evidence. If you want to convince anyone, including me, please provide some DIRECT links to CREDIBLE sources. Do you know what CREDIBLE means? It doesn't just mean they have letters behind their name.

Originally posted by mb2591
You have more of a chance to get sick and/or die from a vaccine then you have if you get no vaccine at all
I urge every one to stay away from vaccines

edit on 16-6-2011 by mb2591 because: (no reason given)

not true.

people who DONT get vaccines endanger the entire population, while enjoying relative helth by virtue of everyone else getting vaccinated.

dont like vaccines? Move to a country where they dont use them. And then whine to your neighbor when your baby dies of a a common disease.

Just thought I would post some information about diseases on the rise because of people choosing not to be vaccinated. You can cry foul on vaccines all you want and you can say they don't work. But the facts are the facts. Here we have the return of very old and some new diseases because of fear. Fear that vaccines cause autism, cancer, etc when in reality there is ZERO evidence to support this.

www.preemieprimer.com...
ocgov.net...
newsfeedresearcher.com...
drsamgirgis.com...
abcnews.go.com...

I really have to stay away from this thread, I think it's the blatant fear controlled ignorance that really sets me off. I used to feel the same way many of you did. I saw a couple videos and I was convinced that vaccines were bad and were causing problems. But if you look a little closer with an open mind, read some information counter to the belief that vaccines are bad, there is plenty of fact based evidence out there which support vaccines and there isn't any fact based evidence supporting the claim that they are bad.

But I suppose we'll have to wait until half the population is dying from a preventable disease before the close minded will realize the value of vaccinations. Or at least be willing to consider the other side of the story.

Can you really say you know the truth after just researching one side of any story?