Childhood diseases return as parents refuse vaccines

Originally posted by laiguana
I can't understand how people can still argue about this...If parents still provided children with the benefits of a prepared breakfast every morning...a breakfast that had nutritional value, like a bowl of cornflakes and not just a toaster strudel...they wouldn't have to vaccinate their kids anymore.
Vaccines, as others have already mentioned in this thread, were supposed to address the most susceptible population and that would have been the children of parents who lived at poverty levels. And why do you think that is? Because they did not have the means to provide their child or children with a hearty breakfast, nor could they provide the daily nutrition that is required to maintain a healthy lifestyle.
The solutions are already there...people keep ignoring the obvious.

Are you SERIOUSLY saying that polio and the measles can be prevented by eating CORN FLAKES??
People in the western world are SO snipping ignorant.

Originally posted by Elliot
What a thread!

And yet there would be NO argument at all if one portion of people were not attempting to force another portion of people to have a treatment they do not want, do not believe in, do not approve in!

This thread shows the way society is going. People wish to FORCE their own way on other people. For example, I believe in the US children cannot attend school if not vaccinated. Now that is called FORCE!

Are we a freen society or are we a coerced, threatened, intimidated and forced society?

The answer is self evident!

But do we want to live like this, in constant fear of what men in suits and white coats claim one day and then change another?

It is a crazy world with half awake people who don't want to think for themselves and are offended when others choose to think for themselves!

No. The selfish ones are those who benefit from living in a society where debilitating diseases like POLIO have been nearly eradicated by vaccines, but dont want to participate in them themselves.

Those 'doctors' you blindly dismiss and yet who you depend on for your well being have helped save millions and millions of lives.

You like to pretend you want to live in a world without medical science. But if you really did, you would move to the third world where people still die of commonly cured diseases.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

Now I have to contemplate how you managed to get old enough to have kids without figuring out that nobody ever asks 40% of the population anything, and that information is gathered from polls.

Exactly. Nobody ever asks 40% of the population anything. So, as I said before, polls mean nothing in the big picture. It's fine by me if you want to believe the results of a poll are helpful to prove a point, despite the fact most of the time no proof of a poll being taken is ever even presented.

You think polls are important and you are able to give people tutorials on how polls are conducted. Good for you. You would be a great candidate to work for the government because they love to throw polls around to try to manipulate our opinions and actions.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

Those 'doctors' you blindly dismiss and yet who you depend on for your well being have helped save millions and millions of lives.

Yes, that is true, but who is educating them about the medications they prescribe? I think you know the answer to that. Public concerns about the health care industry have come to the forefront because doctors prescribe medications based on what Big Pharma claims to be appropriate and effective. Do I really have to explain to you why Big Pharma has some credibility issues? Do I?

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by Griffo

 

Guess what, people WITH these vaccines get the diseases.

No. SOME people who get the vaccines risk being infected with full blown 'disease'.

conversely, those who DONT get vaccinated, put themselves AND EVERYONE THEY COME IN CONTACT WITH at risk, while enjoying a low probability for infection because everyone else is vaccinated.

To choose to live in a country that has nearly eradicated these diseases through vaccines, without doing the same is the HEIGHT of privileged, ignorant, selfish western entitlement. Move to africa so your child can die of a common cold, you leech.

OH...so those of us who aren't vaccinated are low risk for contracting diseases but endanger those who are vaccinated?
It's the un-vaccinated ones' responsibility to ensure the vaccinated ones don't get further decimated?
If you are vaccinated from a disease it increases your risk on contracting the full-blown disease?

My god that is simply absurd. Are you an elected official by chance?

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Those 'doctors' you blindly dismiss and yet who you depend on for your well being have helped save millions and millions of lives.

Yes, that is true, but who is educating them about the medications they prescribe? I think you know the answer to that. Public concerns about the health care industry have come to the forefront because doctors prescribe medications based on what Big Pharma claims to be appropriate and effective. Do I really have to explain to you why Big Pharma has some credibility issues? Do I?

But this isnt about vague and not entirely topical complaints about' big pharma'. It's about people pretending vaccines are not needed, despite how effective they have been to eradicated numerous diseases that used to kill people regularly.

I dont trust most doctors. But i dont bindly dismiss them all out of hand, nor do i trust them all, out of hand. I do my own research and come to a REASONED, educated opinion based on conformable data, not fearmongering and falsified studies.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

How many children were damaged and have been paralysed by the polio vaccine given in Africa, I believe Nigeria, recently. It runs into hundreds if not thousands. Look it up.

Originally posted by primus2012



OH...so those of us who aren't vaccinated are low risk for contracting diseases but endanger those who are vaccinated?

is that supposed to make sense? Are you under the impression vaccines create diseases? They don.t Perhaps you are too young and uniformed to know how people used to die from diseases you dont even need to worry about.

People who DONT get vaccinated for common diseases put the rest of the population at risk. It's quite simple. You can become a carrier for disease that potentially kills, say, a pregnant woman.

It's the un-vaccinated ones' responsibility to ensure the vaccinated ones don't get further decimated?

Again, I'm desperately trying to discern some semblance of sense from that statement. Can you try again?

If you are vaccinated from a disease it increases your risk on contracting the full-blown disease?

No. It doesn't. And, as i've stated, getting vaccinated is about more than your own heath. It's about the public's health. Obviously you are too selfish to be concerned with anyone's health but your own.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


So you believe in 'It is all for the Greater Good' mentality then.

Very concerning when we begin to mandate any course of action that carries a risk for the individual.

Vaccinations are not like speed limits. They are a manufactured and SOLD, for money Product.

If they don't deliver what they claim they are not a good product in the first place and at the very least should never be forced on any one.

If a herbal drug caused even one death or injury the drug companies would demand its removal from the market immeadiately. But thousands of people die from their sales product and nothing happens.

reply to post by Elliot


I encourage you to go back in time and enjoy a vaccine-free world where your children would have died from diseases that today are nearly non-existent.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

I encourage you to read 'Tono Bungay' by H G Wells.

www.msnbc.msn.com...

This is the very sad case of what happened in Nigeria to children where polio infection was sparked by vaccination.

Originally posted by Elliot
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

I encourage you to read 'Tono Bungay' by H G Wells.

I have read it. Good book.
I encourage you to to read some scientific journals to formulate your opinions, not just science fiction.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

Read the link to what happened in Nigeria.

Originally posted by EmVeeFF

Originally posted by SaturnFX
This is a good thing though
its social darwinism...if people adhere to anti-vaccine psychology, then breed, well...its not like their children are coming from fantastic stock to begin with.

Right, in very few cases, like measles which is well known to cause irreversible brain damage and organ damage due to high fevers.

In a world populated with far too many morons, having the kids of morons die through preventable issues seems perfectly acceptable, if not desirable.

If people decide to simply forgo advanced medicine, and take their chances on prayer, well...more power to them, and the end result is a greater percentage of the population contributing to the enhancement of medical understanding once the mindset (along with the nuts) die out...literally.

bit cold, but their "sacrifice" will be a good example for the rest on the benefits of modern day medicine.

Oh yeah. You, sir, are obviously not one of these "morons". You must have a doctorate in medicine or work for a pharma company because you seem to have quite the expert opinion on vaccines...

Reason I dont trust vaccines: Bill Gates advocates them aggressively. that and the documentation of experiments done through vaccines. They are no good, and if i get measles so be it, its better than becoming some brain-dead bearer of sabotaged children.

Why would you need a doctorate in anything to have a logical opinion regarding vaccines, I guess you have a Ph.d in computer science because you're using a keyboard? Then you transition to an ad hominem argument, because Bill Gates advocates one of the greatest life savers in all of history and you don'yt like Bill Gates he msut be wrong? The Nazis were to first to advocate not smoking, so I guess you should put on your tin foil hat and light up a cigarrette, cause you'll be damned if someone you don't like has anything good to say. Finally, you belong to a community, you don't care if you get measles, and I sure as hell don't either, but your accountable to the people around you if you decide to go spreading your germs around. Like people with compromised immune systems, the very young and the very old, you know, all the people that require the most protection from diseases(that are easily preventable).

reply to post by incrediblelousminds

I dont trust most doctors. But i dont bindly dismiss them all out of hand, nor do i trust them all, out of hand. I do my own research and come to a REASONED, educated opinion based on conformable data, not fearmongering and falsified studies.

In this regard, I agree with you, and it is unfortunate that we have to go to these lengths because of the history of deception that exists with the increase in the pharmaceutical industry's power. I understand why there is fear, but I also understand that falsified studies exist on the side of Big Pharma as well.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Are you SERIOUSLY saying that polio and the measles can be prevented by eating CORN FLAKES??
People in the western world are SO snipping ignorant.

Yes...have they ever conducted tests? Do you know why? Because it works. Cornflakes also prevents cancer, diabetes and other venerial diseases.

Originally posted by laiguana

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Are you SERIOUSLY saying that polio and the measles can be prevented by eating CORN FLAKES??
People in the western world are SO snipping ignorant.

Yes...have they ever conducted tests? Do you know why? Because it works. Cornflakes also prevents cancer, diabetes and other venerial diseases.

On a sidenote make sure that the Cornflakes are Organic

reply to post by jameshawkings


I eat organic amaranth cornflakes...it also goes by the name of 'the immortal cereal'...
I can't even remember the last time I was sick. And I don't remember getting vaccinated as a child. Don't go for the GMO crap though...It isn't good for you. The only true cornflakes is organic cornflakes.

Originally posted by laiguana
reply to post by jameshawkings

 

I eat organic amaranth cornflakes...it also goes by the name of 'the immortal cereal'...
I can't even remember the last time I was sick. And I don't remember getting vaccinated as a child. Don't go for the GMO crap though...It isn't good for you. The only true cornflakes is organic cornflakes.

I figured you would!

A lot of people are eating GMO Corn and Soya blissfully unaware of the harm they are doing. Fortunately I have a few places where I live that supply Organic Cornfakes and Weetabix, though I imagine in some countries they are difficult to find.