Apparently, 75% of Americans want to be Dragged Back to the Jim Crow Era

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by Antiquated1

 

An individual's presence at the polling place does not imply of confer citizenship.

And just to be just, citizens accepting federal or state assistance should not be eligible to participate in the election process. Only employed, tax-paying citizens over the age of 25 should be able to vote.

Too many children electing too many cartoon clowns is one of our problems.

Voting is a holy obligation not theater for the blind.

Oh lord did he just write what I thought I just read? This man claims to be more mature than people under the age of 25?
Its OK, to send young men and women off to kill, but they dont have the right to vote out or in for the people who are doing so... Its OK for them to pay their taxes but they cant vote.

Originally posted by SpaDe_

Problem easily solved with very little effort on the part of the voter. Get ID! Go to your local municipality and get a copy of your birth certificate, or just simply go down and apply for a state ID. There problem solved and now you can vote like the rest of us.

Geesh how lazy can people be, I mean really.

And please don't come back with the argument that some people have no record of their birth. There are ways to get ID, and if they want to vote or need ID that badly they would do it. In most states now you are required to carry identification with you anyhow, so they would be doing themselves a favor.

And you support Ron Paul?
Holy moly me oh my

Originally posted by mishigas

I cannot think of a reason why someone would oppose Voter ID, except if they planned on using voter fraud to rig an election.

Oh man they got the wool over people's eyes.
The problem has not been VOTER fraud.
The problem has been ELECTION fraud.

Solve that first.

reply to post by FoosM

Originally posted by mishigas

I cannot think of a reason why someone would oppose Voter ID, except if they planned on using voter fraud to rig an election.

Oh man they got the wool over people's eyes.
The problem has not been VOTER fraud.
The problem has been ELECTION fraud.

Solve that first.

Ummm....do you know how elections are held?

BIG GOVERNMENT CONSERVATIVES!

Ye all are mandated to get an idea, oh but freedom and eagles and all that jazz too!

I can't remember the last time that I didn't have to show ID to prove who I was in order to vote. I don't think it is racially charged if everyone is asked to show ID. However since it is mandatory or going to be nationwide then perhaps there ought to be a voter photo ID issued, free of charge since it is the right of every american citizen age 18 or older to vote, whether they can afford a photo ID or not.

reply to post by mishigas


While it is no surprise that Americans are stupid and racing back to the 18oos as fast as they can, Rasmussen is a joke poll. Nate Silver (and others) analyzed all pollsters thoroughly and Rasmussen is one of the worst. It is not just their methodology that is a joke, but the nature of their questions are poor.

The other polls have that number around 45%. It drops even further if facts are filtered in like, there is minimal voter fraud, this disproportionally affects minorities and the poor, etc.

But, yeah, America is a joke. The world is marginalizing us FAST. We are the joke on the planet but Americans are the only ones that don't know it.

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by FoosM

 

Originally posted by mishigas

I cannot think of a reason why someone would oppose Voter ID, except if they planned on using voter fraud to rig an election.

Oh man they got the wool over people's eyes.
The problem has not been VOTER fraud.
The problem has been ELECTION fraud.

Solve that first.

Ummm....do you know how elections are held?

I take it you dont understand the distinction being made in that post, eh?

Originally posted by Scytherius
It drops even further if facts are filtered in like, there is minimal voter fraud, this disproportionally affects minorities and the poor, etc.

If that's how those other pollsters are phrasing their questions, its no wonder they're getting lower numbers. They're push-polling.

Originally posted by wasco2

Originally posted by sdocpublishing
reply to post by Scoriada

 

You are going to attach voting fraud to democrats?

Of course there has never been voter fraud by the republicans. George Bush and Florida is the first thing that comes to mind.

.

Bad example. Florida was an example of Dem voter fraud failing. Bush won it handily but it was close enough where AlGore and the Dims figured they could try and steal it.

Some examples:

Gore had teams of lawyers state wide with instructions to try and discredit military absentee votes, which usually are strongly Republican.

VNS called Florida for Gore before all the state voted. In the pan handle, a traditional Republican stronghold, an estimated 10,000 likely voters did not go to the polls believing it was already too late.

The "butterfly ballot" that Palm Beach voters supposedly couldn't figure out was designed and approved by Democrats.

Election officials in Miami/Dade county were not counting votes, and "hanging" chads, so much as manufacturing Democrat votes.

Even the MSM has had to face the fact that Bush won Florida fair and square. In fact Bush won every one of Gore's mandated recounts.

www.fraudfactor.com...

Disclosure:

I was a FL resident at the time and contributed to Bush's camaign and did campaign work. As a consequence of that association I knew personally Republican operatives who were present, when they weren't locked out, when Democrat campaign officials were recounting the ballots with the supposed "hanging chad". They all agree the main criteria being used by those partisan hacks was whether or not the vote would have been for Gore.

edit on 11-6-2011 by wasco2 because: typo

The issue in Florida was, Republicans were using voter intimidation and trickery. Such things as telling minorities the polls were closed while allowing people they assumed to be Repubs (white) in.

Originally posted by mickdundee23
Its all the Democrats ploy to steal elections. They have illegals come vote, and people voting multiple times under different names. Hey even vote for dead constituents. It is really a lame argument that people can't get an id because they are poor. Obviously theu are stealing elections.

Shows how bright and grounded in the real world you are. I know a few illegals and they're actually Conservative and Right leaning.

See how you eat what's fed to you that all illegals are welfare cheats?

Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by Antiquated1

 

Again, the government has long since proven that it can pass reasonable limitations on your constitutional rights for the 'common good, which, in this case, is the protection and integrity of the electoral process. We can argue what constitutes 'reasonable' all day, but if our government officlals get it in their minds to pass a law making a photo ID a requirement, there's no apparent reason why they couldn't do it. The precedent certainly exists.

As for ObamaCare, again, the problem is the absolute mandate of a contract between two private parties with a threat of government enforcement. Its even more unconstitutional than had they attempted to nationalize the entire healthcare system, since, at the very least, the government has already proven that they can force participation in government-run programs such as social security and medicare.

The easy solution to this problem? Make the photo IDs free to obtain from the social security administration.

So you endorse the slippery slope this country is on, long as it aligns with what you want?

What if our law makers get it in their heads that it would be for the best of all us if a nationwide 9pm curfew should be established? I'm sure they can create all types of reasoning we should have one. LMAO...but there are probably some people on this board who would support such a thing!

Either you're for freedom or you're not...can't pick and choose.

Originally posted by louieprima
Not sure why everyone's so bent outta shape, anyway. When it comes to the Presidency, Senators, most Congressmen, and even state level elections, your vote doesn't mean much. You get to choose between two people who are largely owned by the same interests. Then the 2 sides quibble, argue, scream, and yell about the 1-2% difference in policy executed or supported by the candidates. This whole thread is a fun little sideshow but ultimately the arguments on both sides are an exercise in futility.

Best post thus far...

The problem with ID to vote is that they can always change the nature of ID later, for example, ID's now just contain our name, address, etc. which is reasonable to expect that when voting. But with the Real ID act and beyond, the ID is going to contain much more information and it will be impossible for us to not include that additional information.

Then the requirements to get an ID or parts of it can be used as a reason to not allow voting. Just saying it's possible.

Originally posted by Homedawg
Why is it racist to want to have people prove who they are to cast a vote?

Really it isn't so much race oppression as class oppression. In reality, there are many, including some who will happily admit, that they think only educated, wealthy (or at least upper-middleclass) persons should vote.

Most people are too STUPID to look at the bigger picture that the wealthy landowners and corporations and blue bloods don't want what happened for Obama to happen again. (Even though Obama is a farce and not what the people thought they were getting)

They don't want the millions of poor people to actually CARE about voting. There's more poor people than rich and middleclass so eventually people may realize the voting system itself is a fraud. If 200 million poor people vote for "A", while 100 million well-off people vote for "B", well how the fluck did "B" win?

What should be done is the voting process made as transparent as possible. Let the entire nation see each vote for themselves.

More towards your question...there are millions of poor people who, hard as it may be for you to believe, live out their everyday life without having a need for a ID. I know because I've lived it.

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??? Are you saying there are Americans who have no ID available, ( the ones who are there illegaly)?

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Antiquated1

 

A

re you able to walk into a voting precint without any id? They have no record of your address and citizenship in a book that you have to sign as you walk into the precinct? How do you prove who you are? How do you prove where you live, and hence what district you live in??

I sign my name in the book. If I find someone else signed my name on my registration, I scream out that someone is attempting to commit fraud in my name. It is that simple. Once I leave, no one can come in and claim to be me because I already signed my name next to my name in the book. It is very simple and works like a charm otherwise I would not still be asking for one instance where it failed.

My name is John Smith. How many of me are there in NYC?

My neighbor died/moved/is on vaca / is out of town. His name is on the roll. What's to stop me from using it?

I'm an illegal. I register the same day of voting. Then I go from precinct to precinct and do the same.

I know that you voted earlier in the day. I go to your name in the roll. I scream out that someone is attempting to commit fraud in my name.

Too many ways to scam the system.

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I'm sorry, but I'll use your post as an example.

Are you STUPID or something? I mean this earnestly!

Do you REALLY, I mean, REALLY, think an illegal would have nothing better to do than spend all day casting what....20 votes for his/her candidate? Do you really think that happens? Do you know of anyone that would take the time to do this? If so, you probably know a mentally ill person.

WHO THE **** is going to go from poll to poll voting for their guy, as if anyone would think that would make a dent?

Ladies and gentleman this is what we are up against. This is why we can't get anything done with our country. I'm neither Left nor Right, but I can guarantee that you are Right even though you will probably deny it. This is how Conservatives and other Right leaners think! This is the paranoia they suffer from.

This person and probably many other Rightwingers, actually have it in their heads that Dem's want welfare so bad that they will go from poll to poll voting for a Dem! As if people aren't more concerned with everyday life!

How many of you in here thought of going from poll to poll voting for Obama or Mccain? I honestly want someone to answer this. How many of you think Welfare Willy, has nothing better to do (never mind he lives in an abandoned house and eats out the trash can) than go from poll to poll voting for a Dem in the hopes he will be given some extra welfare?

How many of you believe Pedro has nothing better to do (nevermind he's been working 12 hours on that hot roof for $9 per hour) than get off work and travel from poll to poll voting for a Dem in hopes he will get some extra welfare?

See how STUPID some peoples are?

Is a photo ID required for voting written into the Constitution?

This should be such a non-issue!! Every time I vote, I ask if they'd like to see ID, and I'm appauled by the fact that you don't need ID to vote. It should be a requirement to show a photo ID to vote.

Are you kidding me? This is the 21st century. What legal, functioning citizen doesn't have a photo ID?

Just as an example, how many of you posting on this thread do not have a valid photo ID?

And don't give me that crap that it goes against the poor. You mean to tell me that somebody can't afford the $10 to get an ID? I bust my ass for over 60 hours/week to provide a good life for my family!! Maybe they should get off their ass and WORK!! Then they can afford an ID!!

I'll tell you what. If it's required to show a photo ID to purchase a firearm, it should definitely be required to verify your identity, which is way higher up on the list than voting (2nd amendment vs 12th). The 2nd amendment gets stepped on all the time, and just because somebody makes a law (which shouldn't be anything new) about simply verifying you are who you say you are in order to vote, all the bleeding heart liberals get their panties in a bunch!!

List of things you need an ID for:
1- firearms purchase
2- driving
3- buying alcohol
4- buying cigarettes
5- getting a job
6- requesting certified copies of documents (birth/death/marriage certificates, etc.)
7- receiving welfare
8- shipping/receiving certain types of packages
9- receiving health care
Among many others!!

If you do not have a photo ID, you obviously are not enough of a functioning member of society (probably a crackhead) to decide who should be running the show, anyway, and we're better off without your vote.

I am absolutely not racist, and beleive that every citizen has the right to vote, and definitely should exercise it!! But you should be required to prove your identity to do so. There are 3 year old children that have state ID's. Let's get real here, people, and use some common sense.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
The issue in Florida was, Republicans were using voter intimidation and trickery. Such things as telling minorities the polls were closed while allowing people they assumed to be Repubs (white) in.

A proven lie.

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