Apparently, 75% of Americans want to be Dragged Back to the Jim Crow Era

reply to post by Kitilani


Acorn, need I say more? Everyone knows it happened, but it gets swept under the rug. In NC, there were hispanics voting that could not speak/read english. I guess they were never educated in the US, huh.

Originally posted by haarvik
reply to post by Kitilani

 

Acorn, need I say more? Everyone knows it happened, but it gets swept under the rug. In NC, there were hispanics voting that could not speak/read english. I guess they were never educated in the US, huh.

Do not lie to me.

Nothing of the sort happened. You have no evidence, no case, no facts. I said you are afraid of something you all imagined and you respond with ACORN? Sorry, try lying to the next moron without backing it up and see if they are a little stupider than I am. You will find someone to believe you soon enough. That person aint me.



Is your proof hiding, or does it not exist because you are lying?

Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by Kitilani

 

If no one can find a case of this type of voter fraud to show me after like 4 people asked and this many pages, then why can't anyone at least admit they have no problem being afraid of something that does not exist. It is one or the other and the first one has not come to pass yet.

Google is your friend. Type "examples of voter fraud"; there's about 281,000 pages. Don't expect anyone to do your research for you.

You should have a really easy time finding just one that was proven to happen then. Besides, I think you are confusing two very different things.

Voter fraud and Voter fraud a poll tax or photo ID would prevent are two completely different things but I know more than one thought gets complicated. If you do not know how to use your google and produce one answer for me then just shut the hell up.

Just because you people are idiot enough to be scared of things people just make up for you does not mean I am.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Won't even bother to research the links. Why? Because I lived it and don't find it necessary to read what some revisionist is propaganding.

Now you're lying.

If not, where were you when Mary Frances Berry was looking for even ONE case of a genuinely intimidated minority?

By the way, both links are entirely factual. Revising history is what Democrats need to do, not people telling the truth.

You're not going to pull this off. I WAS THERE, not exactly in the thick of it but I had access to people who were.

Gore tried to steal the election plain and simple and for once it didn't work.

Originally posted by DyingBreed
reply to post by Intelearthling

 

True, True.

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All this talk on photo id, the OP an source says "id" not "photo id". You need id to register to vote, so all voters should have id. Bring it to the polls, decrease voter fraud, whoopdee doo. Even bringing an utility bill, food stamp card, birth certificate, SS card, or something like that (that is current) will cut down on fraud. I might go out on a limb here and say every US citizen has some form of id.

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Should we bring back literacy tests too in order to keep people like you at home? The article in the OP says

A new Rasmussen poll out today found that 75 percent of respondents support a law requiring voters to show ID at the polls. Or, as DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz recently put it, a law that would "drag us all the way back to the Jim Crow" era.

What poll? What was in the poll? What did the poll ask?

75% Support Showing Photo ID At The Polls

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 75% of Likely U.S. Voters believe voters should be required to show photo identification such as a driver’s license before being allowed to vote. Just 18% disagree and oppose such a requirement.

The article in the OP spins that part right out of it but pretty much everyone else caught it. It only makes sense that if you are not smart enough to click one link and read English then you should not get to vote.

Several cases in Mississippi are under investigation byt the Justice Dept for intimidation of WHITE voters by majority black democratic committees....its out there....and an ID bill will eliminate much of it...

Originally posted by wasco2
Gore tried to steal the election plain and simple and for once it didn't work.

We're getting off topic, but yeah, that much should be obvious. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the GOP acted with the purest of intentions, but Gore's team was hardly saintly themselves. Guess what? If you cherry pick four counties that voted about 80% for Gore, well no s***, he's going to pick up a similar percentage of undercounted votes. Of course, that's why the Dems did it. In the end, though, their gamble on four counties didn't quite manufacture enough votes to pull out the win.

Regardless, the entire process was a sickening joke for that reason alone, and quite likely a violation of the equal protection rights of the voters in the rest of Florida. The only fair, equitable solution was to recount the entire state. Gore and the Dems were having no part of that one, though.

For more information on Voter ID and vote fraud issues please check out Show ID to Vote where we believe that Voter ID should be common sense and all issues such as eliminating poll tax concerns, etc can be addressed easily and inexpensively as well as on a State by State basis, never Federal. You can find Show ID to Vote in all the usual places:

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Originally posted by vor78

Originally posted by wasco2
Gore tried to steal the election plain and simple and for once it didn't work.

We're getting off topic, but yeah, that much should be obvious. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the GOP acted with the purest of intentions, ]

Why not?

At least in this case they knew Bush had won FL and initial reaction when Gore's intention became obvious was, "WTF is he doing?" They were simply responding to what they, and you, knew was a blatant attempt to steal a presidential election. And you're right about the equal protection, that was the basis for the Supreme Court's decision to stop the recounts.

Another thing I wonder about is how does requiring someone to show an ID to vote causes "blacks to the back of the bus"?

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Well, maybe I'm trying to be a little more diplomatic about it than I should be

I was appalled by the behavior of Gore's legal team following that election, as well as that of the Florida Supreme Court that initially allowed that farce of a recount to proceed. Anyone with even a cursory understanding of statistics knew that Gore would necessarily pick up votes if they were only counting in his precincts. I'm not sure it would've been any different had the shoe been on the other foot had Bush been trailing, but that whole recount fiasco was the event that forever changed my views of the Democratic party, and not for the better.

Originally posted by Kitilani
Should we bring back literacy tests too in order to keep people like you at home?

We need to do something to limit the vote to educated, informed, and involved people. Democracy's fatal flaw is: "Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death". The quote is from Robert Heinlein but the concept was known as far back as the ancient Greeks.

The Founding Fathers tried to avert this flaw by limiting the vote to white land owning males. Obviously that wouldn't fly today but there needs to be some qualification to vote beyond warm and breathing.

Realistically it's already too late for the United States. Once you give the parasites the ability to vote themselves bread and circuses they won't give it up without a fight. Obama is a sure sign, among many, that the US is indeed headed for the dust bin of history.

Originally posted by AlreadyGone
Here in NC...to get a simple document..ie car title, will, boat title, a legal aggreement, even a receipt notarized...you must present a photo ID.

When you make a purchase in many retail outlets and use a check or a credit card...you may at times have to show a photo ID.

To get into a movie and look underage but are not...or to buy beer or cigarettes...you may have to show photo ID.

Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
reply to post by Antiquated1

 

An individual's presence at the polling place does not imply of confer citizenship.

And just to be just, citizens accepting federal or state assistance should not be eligible to participate in the election process. Only employed, tax-paying citizens over the age of 25 should be able to vote.

Too many children electing too many cartoon clowns is one of our problems.

Originally posted by jjkenobi
You can't do anything in this country without an ID. Buy a house, rent a house, drive a car, get utilities setup, get a credit card, go to school, go to the doctor, etc etc etc.

These are the three quote in this thread that best express my opinion, in Virginia you have had to present a photo ID since 2001...this is nothing new. I see no problem with this being made nationwide, in most state you need ID to receive welfare/foodstamps/unemployment.

Secure

Originally posted by Homedawg
Another thing I wonder about is how does requiring someone to show an ID to vote causes "blacks to the back of the bus"?

Its a pretty standard debate tactic to claim racism as a means to shut your opponent up when in reality its you who can't make any other legitimate argument. Either that, or you just insult those you disagree with, which seems to be the favored tactic in this thread.

There's nothing inherently unconstitutional about requiring proof of citizenship in order to vote. The Supreme Court has even found that its legal to require a photo ID, though in that particular case, the IDs were issued free by the state (Crawford v. Marion County Election Board). Whether its unconstitutional in cases where there' s a charge for the ID, is, to my knowledge, yet to be determined. Ultimately, the question that the courts will decide will be the one I've posed earlier in this thread and the one asked by the USSC in the case above: how do you balance the individual right to vote with the collective need for integrity and fairness in the electoral process?

Personally, I do not think it is unreasonable to ask for a photo ID, even in states where there is a small charge to obtain that ID. I don't think its an unreasonable burden on the individual in order to maintain the security and integrity of the process for society as a whole, nor do I think it represents a poll tax, given that the ID itself has plenty of practical uses beyond the voting booth.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by deesul69
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Maybe you can start a campaign to add the:

28th Amendment- Allowing illegals, felons, and liars to fraudlently vote. Ratified 7-4-2011

1.The right of the illegal immigrants to vote fraudulently without proper identification shall not be infringed.

2. The right of felons not allowed to vote legally to defraud the polling system by not verifying their identification shall not be infringed.

3. Anybody who is not a functioning member of society shall be able to use somebody else's name to cast a vote for the official of their choice, no matter how illegal it may be.

4. Photo identification shall be outlawed from this day forward, for all purposes, and our country can be flushed down the toilet completely.

Then you're argument would be preserving the constitution, and I could no longer stick to a strict interpretation of it!!

So what I hypothesised is true? Libertarians are just wearing the name for fashion, they aren't walking what they talk. Either you want less government and more freedom or you don't.

Besides, all the unsavory people you mentioned, what reason should they not be able to vote? See that is the lie that was perpetuated long ago by bigots and self righteous to separate the people. If an illegal is living here (legal or illegally) why should they not vote? Why shouldn't a felon be able to vote? Why must someone be a functioning member of society...they live here right? They (all) have to live by the laws the elected pass correct?

Seriously?

Umm, they should not vote because they're not a CITIZEN!! Therefore they do not have the RIGHT to vote!!

And I don't know about you, but I don't want convicted felons being able to choose who is in power. Maybe you do.

Are you an illegal or a felon? Seems like it, because you seem to think they should have the same rights as a law abiding American citizen.

I'm done wasting time on this thread.

You would think that having a photo ID be a free thing in this country would be a good solution. Too bad 1% of the population needs all that money....

Oh yeah, why would it matter the process for counting the votes is a crok. So why are we focusing on who has the right to vote free of charge?

I'm pretty sure there is no law that states a purchase is required for voting in this country.They would have to write a law either way to require it.

My opinion is that we should not have to pay for an ID, if it is required to vote in this country. If an ID is needed that badly then is should be supplied free of charge.

Slowly the federal government is taking over, the US is fast becoming a socialist country. Right now state government requires purchase of insurance to drive a motor vehicle - in almost all states. That is a requirement from the governemnt for a privilege that we as Americans have a right to.

Right now requirements for the right to vote are simply be a citizen of the united states. The right to vote in this country is not a privilege any longer - that was clear by our forefathers once everyone had a right to vote. Requiring a purchase for this right does discriminate against a group of people. The group that do not have the means to pay for the item.

Don't forget that the United States of America was founded of the thought of freedom being freedom from tax and interest. We fought for this land first for those rights that was the general idea of freedom at the time. I think it is easy for some people to forget that. I think it is easy to forget about the senior citizens in nursing homes that do not have an ID, the homeless man sleeping in box, the 18 year old college students paying for their entire tuition because their parents are too busy putting all the money up their nose. I think it is easy for people to forget.

A little late to the thread, but I am one of those who don't have a current photo ID, because VA makes it impossible to fix.

Wanna get a state ID? Just bring a utility bill and another photo ID less than 1 yr expired. Sorry, the utilities are in my womans name because I didn't have a current ID, and my old drivers license is 2(actually 4 now) yrs expire because I was bed ridden for 2 years.

Wanna fix my drivers license? Sorry, but you had a small speeding ticket when you were 19 going 63 in a 50. Though you paid the ticket, we still required that you went to a $100 dollar drivers class, then paid a $200 reinstallation fee to DMV. But wait, you got sick and couldn't do it... guess you're out of luck now. Next in line please!

Originally posted by wasco2

Originally posted by Kitilani
Should we bring back literacy tests too in order to keep people like you at home?

We need to do something to limit the vote to educated, informed, and involved people. Democracy's fatal flaw is: "Bread and Circuses is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state.

The Founding Fathers tried to avert this flaw by limiting the vote to white land owning males. Obviously that wouldn't fly today but there needs to be some qualification to vote beyond warm and breathing.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

There we have it folks...is it necessary to say anything else? Prime example of what we're actually up against. People who desire to be viewed as BETTER than others.

I don't care if I have two Masters and a Doctorate, i'm still no better than the bum who chooses to beg for nickels!

Does anyone else get the sense that this person would mind limiting the vote to white land owners? LMAO! Your type of thinking will one day be extinct...you're being bred out of existence.

Originally posted by deesul69

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by deesul69
reply to post by incrediblelousminds

 

Seriously?

Umm, they should not vote because they're not a CITIZEN!! Therefore they do not have the RIGHT to vote!!

And I don't know about you, but I don't want convicted felons being able to choose who is in power. Maybe you do.

Are you an illegal or a felon? Seems like it, because you seem to think they should have the same rights as a law abiding American citizen.

I'm done wasting time on this thread.

They live here rather we want them too or not, keep them out and we wouldn't have to worry about them voting. Though common sense would tell you most illegals wouldn't risk blowing their cover by going to vote, they have bigger things to worry about.

Why shouldn't a felon be allowed to vote? If you're caught DWI should you lose your right to vote? If I break in your house and you shoot me while i'm fleeing, thus getting yourself in trouble should you lose your right to vote?

The point of those questions is the fact that someone being more than likely "hosed" by our legal system doesn't make them sub-human and worthy of being spat upon.

Ladies and gentlemen, these are the people we are dealing with! Their sin is proclaiming themselves "better" than others and wishing to be separate. They're tearing the country apart...

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Originally posted by wasco2

Originally posted by vor78

Originally posted by wasco2
Gore tried to steal the election plain and simple and for once it didn't work.

We're getting off topic, but yeah, that much should be obvious. I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the GOP acted with the purest of intentions, ]

Why not?

At least in this case they knew Bush had won FL and initial reaction when Gore's intention became obvious was, "WTF is he doing?" They were simply responding to what they, and you, knew was a blatant attempt to steal a presidential election. And you're right about the equal protection, that was the basis for the Supreme Court's decision to stop the recounts.

Is that right?







started off his "Iraq has WMD's" pattern of lying before inaguration

If someone calls it before the votes are counted again, I am going to set # on fire. The supreme court wil
not be safe until they pinch me.