Apparently, 75% of Americans want to be Dragged Back to the Jim Crow Era

reply to post by Scoriada


You are going to attach voting fraud to democrats?

Of course there has never been voter fraud by the republicans. George Bush and Florida is the first thing that comes to mind.

Everyone should lose the false left right paradigm and start voting for purpose, not party.

I know plenty of poor people who have ID. I had ID when I was poor. I think that they should make a free photo ID when a person registers to vote.

Am I discriminatory to want ID when someone writes me a check? Sometimes, I ask for 2 forms of ID before I take the check. I don't care if people buy my product anyway, as I doubt some customers are capable of keeping it alive.

Or am I discriminatory when I asked people to give me ID when they wanted to test drive a car I was selling on craigslist? I am getting ready to sell a car now, and I might ask to take a picture and get a thumbprint, simply because of the things I read about in the news. I'm going to check how that flows with the law before I do. Again, I don't care if someone buys from me.

Am I discriminatory when I demand ID from anyone who wishes to enter my home as a repairman or agent of the gas/electric/water,cable company?

Why is this an issue?

I carry my voter registration card in my wallet, and it is provided by my state. I don't see the problem with altering the card to include my picture provided it's still free to everyone.

There should be no cost or tax or fee in order to vote, so if the states want to cut down on voter fraud then they need to do so at taxpayer expense if the state wants that system. This has nothing to do with race. Period.

State issue, not federal. Keep it that way.

Peace
KJ

Originally posted by sdocpublishing
reply to post by Scoriada

 

You are going to attach voting fraud to democrats?

Of course there has never been voter fraud by the republicans. George Bush and Florida is the first thing that comes to mind.

Everyone should lose the false left right paradigm and start voting for purpose, not party.

The first thing that comes to mind with voter fraud should be Illinois. And that is democrats. And to be honest, I still cannot believe that Illinois voted for Obama. He was an Illinois politician in the middle of the Illinois political game! And we KNEW it! Oh well. Nothing we can do now except spend our way out of this huge debt we are in!

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
Why is this an issue?

I carry my voter registration card in my wallet, and it is provided by my state. I don't see the problem with altering the card to include my picture provided it's still free to everyone.

There should be no cost or tax or fee in order to vote, so if the states want to cut down on voter fraud then they need to do so at taxpayer expense if the state wants that system. This has nothing to do with race. Period.

State issue, not federal. Keep it that way.

Peace
KJ

That's the problem KJ. A lot of people on this thread don't want people to vote for free. Some of them (I guess), just don't like the idea that poor people have as much right as them to vote.
That being said, michigas has said that some states provide voter id cards for free, which is good. All states should do that.

The issue is money. It takes money to purchase a photo ID, something some people don't have alot of.

'But its just a few bucks,' right?

That few bucks can be the difference between eating and starving.

It is not fair to disenfranchise our poorest citizens, who, in my opinion, should have every opportunity afforded them to have their voices heard.

Democracy is the greatest equalizer, as long as we let it be. It would not be fair to demand something from some voters that all people could not have or do, for free.

Those of you who suggest that the photo ID is easy to get, consider what it would look like for you if you had to have a Mercedes to be able to drive on the highway.

If a United States Citizen does not possess a photo ID and want to Vote then they should be responsible enough to get one, if they fail to get one then they are more than likely not an Informed Voter and would be more apt to vote for a candidate because of huge campaign spending or what they thought they were going to get for Free, we certainly saw this with Obama and all the uninformed voters that thought Obama was going to Make their House Payments, Pump Gas into their Cars and get Free Healthcare. There is a huge faction of voters out there that shouldn't be allowed to vote because they really haven't a clue as to what they're really voting for. "Change" is what Obama was going to bring to the people and look what we've got and it keeps getting worse.

reply to post by Boomer1941


So, because people are voting for ideologies that are untrue, they shouldn't be allowed to vote?

You've just described every voter in the country...

'Read my lips, no new taxes' -Bush, Sr.

'Mission Accomplished' -Bush, Jr.

Ring any bells?

I agree that everyone should have to prove they are an American citizen before they are allowed to vote. We can't just let anyone into the voting booth. Only legal American citizens have earned the right to vote.

If illegal aliens want to vote they should become legal citizens. I'm very uncomfortable with the thought that citizens from other countries can vote and effect our political system. That really isn't fair to the rest of us.

I understand that poor people may not have $10 bucks to spend to get a photo ID and I do sympathize with them. Perhaps a good system for them would be to be fingerprinted and entered into some kind of a system for free that proves they are legal American citizens. They could be electronically fingerprinted and checked at the place where they want to vote proving they are a legal American citizen. Problem solved and no money spent on a photo ID.

Of course there would be some people who want to stay off the grid and not be entered into a system like that. I don't know how to help those people.

First of all is there a law that states you must have ID yes or no ?

ID's cost anywhere between $10 (which i get from the posters here) to $50 where I live for a drivers license; a non drivers license cost $25

What about the Amish, Mennonites etc do they have ID ?

If the government fed/state wants to require something that its citizens/residents must have than they should provide it plain and simple.

There is no reason why the government could not give every citizen one ID every 7 years (that's how long they last where I reside) and if you lose it require to pay a fee.

They could either combined a few of the other cards you may have into one (state drivers license/non drivers license, birth certificate, voting card, library card, and other services for this who have them such as (ebt cards, city/county/state health insurance)

Compared to everything governments buy/tax people on this would be cheap; you could 1 or 2 % to the sales tax of a state and recoup the amount

You dont need a id to get a library card, use credit or debit card. Those who are saying you do that is a bold face lie.

I just got a new library card a few months ago was not asked for an ID at all; all i did was complete a form and give it back to them an got the card.

In fact it is against the Visa Merchant Agreement to ask for ID if a card carrying a Visa logo is signed or to have a surcharge I know this because I have read it and have reported stores which have done so.

On a daily basis I have never been asked for my ID

I go to school/work, take the train there, shop at stores/restaurants (paying with debit and credit cards) and return home on the train and am never asked for an ID

The only time I have been is when I have went to a government building actually or purchasing something where you have to be over a certain age.



So how would this effect the territories whom have significantly lower incomes than every state plus DC in the USA

So I guess a bus fare to the voting booths is a poll tax? I suppose having to buy a bottle of water to deal with the heat en route to the voting booths is also a poll tax? The postage stamp for a voter registration is a poll tax?You are right. Because there is no way that lack of photo ID would result in people/politicians/special interest groups using that to their advatange. I don't see how a functional democratic system COULDN'T require proof of citizenship and personal identification. If someone can't manage to get a state ID or a driver's license for themselves, they shouldn't be voting anyway. Besides, I'm sure there are programs for lazy, social leeches to have their IDs subsidized. They get subsidized on everything else. How else do the inner city politicians get elected? I live in the hood. I know what I'm talking about here. I see Louisiana purchase cards used for expensive hair products, liquor, cigarettes, etc. Don't you need some form of ID for welfare? Probably not. I don't know. but yes, any one who wants the right to vote should obviously, in any rational, logical, and fair system, have a photo ID. It's about $15. And you can probably use food stamps, your phony disability money for being fat and/or faking an injury, or some government program to pay for it. This "jim crow" argument is the ultimate example of a whiny, dependent, pathetic culture. Asking citizens to show the tiniest amount of personal responsibility and minimal initiative to vote is actually asking way too little in my opinion. The requirements should be tougher.

Originally posted by Antiquated1
reply to post by mishigas

 

The right to vote.

reply to post by CaptHowdy

 

reply to post by SpaDe_

 

Good then both of you can dispute the data in the above link that I supplied.

Photo ID is not granted at birth, nor is it free. There is a good reason that people do not posses one and why people who do do not care or notice.

I'm with you on this Antiquated. For the sole reason that it isn't free to get an ID.

Our rights to vote are given at birth, and for FREE. Like it or not, this is the equivalent of asking for a $50 cancer research sticker before you can go in and vote. As far as I know it is not a requirement of citizenship to have a government issued photo ID. Everything else is beside the point.

Khar

Click here for more information.

AS stated previously in this thread, voter fraud does not occur on a person-by-person account. It happens on the rolls. By requiring a photo ID, it will allow those like DIEBOLD who manipulate vote counts to be more inconspicuous in their efforts.

This proposed law would actually make it EASIER to manipulate the votes, which is their intent.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by HunkaHunka

 

Or have a bank account, or cash checks.... There are so many things in NY you need to have a photo ID for....

That doesn't make it a requirement to be a citizen...

you are soooo reaching

reply to post by mishigas


Wasserman. I'm ashamed she shares the German Race with me. Don't get me started on Weiner. hell, they cant even say the name right....well, he doesn't deserve the honor any way.

She used the term on purpose. Nothing is hardly ever uttered in politics by "accident". The image of "poll tax's" and such is inferred. Bad evil white people.

You did know that all whites are evil neo-cons didn't ya

they are doing their damnedest to divide us all. One problem. Look at the Tea Party. Amazing. Its not all white, angry, southern men...hmmm.

Originally posted by Antiquated1

Originally posted by mishigas
I cannot think of a reason why someone would oppose Voter ID, except if they planned on using voter fraud to rig an election.

Because they do not have an ID but still want to exercise their rights as an American citizen?

Sorry love,

You cant even get a job without a basic ID. With all the fraud and illegals?

show me your card.

Hell, I never have my voter reg with me anyhow. I always just show my drivers license.

Originally posted by TheArchaeologist
reply to post by Antiquated1

 

Please elaborate?

If I do, will you finally show me one proven case of the voter fraud this is meant to combat? How long does this thread need to get before you all realize they have you chasing the wrong boogeymen - each other

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re you able to walk into a voting precint without any id? They have no record of your address and citizenship in a book that you have to sign as you walk into the precinct? How do you prove who you are? How do you prove where you live, and hence what district you live in??

I sign my name in the book. If I find someone else signed my name on my registration, I scream out that someone is attempting to commit fraud in my name. It is that simple. Once I leave, no one can come in and claim to be me because I already signed my name next to my name in the book. It is very simple and works like a charm otherwise I would not still be asking for one instance where it failed.

If people could just meander into the voting district without ID, they wouldn't be able to start reporting precints results.

Why not? I am not following your logic hear. They can count results all day long this way. Why not?

What you are saying doesn't add up. At all. Period.

edit on 11-6-2011 by TheArchaeologist because: called id, idea

When was the last time you voted?

Originally posted by Ryanp5555
The first thing that comes to mind with voter fraud should be Illinois. And that is democrats. And to be honest, I still cannot believe that Illinois voted for Obama. He was an Illinois politician in the middle of the Illinois political game! And we KNEW it! Oh well. Nothing we can do now except spend our way out of this huge debt we are in!

Where is your proof of voter fraud?

Why are people claiming fraud they cannot show ever happened? Are people on ATS really just repeating things politicians and the media tell them without looking for themselves? Tsk tsk ATS. For shame!

Originally posted by Kharron
I'm with you on this Antiquated. For the sole reason that it isn't free to get an ID.

Our rights to vote are given at birth, and for FREE. Like it or not, this is the equivalent of asking for a $50 cancer research sticker before you can go in and vote. As far as I know it is not a requirement of citizenship to have a government issued photo ID. Everything else is beside the point.

Khar

Exactly and I think what people are forgetting is how our government operates. If you can get a photo ID today for $14 and you need one to vote. Why would politicians not do anything they could to then mess with how hard it is to get a photo ID to begin with? Renewing my license just cost way way way more than getting the first one did and I am not that old.