Genocide, Jews, Demonic Possession and the Amalek

Here we go
"If you disapprove of Israel you need be an Anti Semite". Not even worth arguing anymore. That propaganda line has played out to the point that even the pro-Israel media rarely plays the card anymore. I'm all for Jews who don't cause global instability because of some contrived claim to a land that has been home to many besides them. As far as Israel is concerned, though, I'm firmly on Team Amalek. Love me some Jews, but I don't support tyrannical regimes that influence my own government against its people's interests. "Jew" does not equal "Israeli". A tired argument. ...And I just brushed my teeth. No green stuff.

Originally posted by louieprima
Here we go

"If you disapprove of Israel you need be an Anti Semite". Not even worth arguing anymore. That propaganda line has played out to the point that even the pro-Israel media rarely plays the card anymore. I'm all for Jews who don't cause global instability because of some contrived claim to a land that has been home to many besides them. As far as Israel is concerned, though, I'm firmly on Team Amalek. Love me some Jews, but I don't support tyrannical regimes that influence my own government against its people's interests. "Jew" does not equal "Israeli". A tired argument. ...And I just brushed my teeth. No green stuff.

edit on 6-6-2011 by louieprima because: grammatical error

Not sure which post of mine you are referring to here. You appear to be responding to something I did not post

One of your earlier posts seemed to equate anti-Zionism to anti-Semitism. If I did not understand that correctly then I apologize.

Originally posted by Sinny
wow..thats certainly a new and very interesting take on things.

Not saying im convinced..but you never know

Growing up Jewish you hear about the Amalek from a very young age, it's not really new just not so well known outside the Jewish community, I guess.

As for my own beliefs, well I'm basically an agnostic, bordering on an atheist, so let's just say I seriously doubt this is what's really going on.

(An interesting side note in point of nothing in particular, there's a construction firm in Brooklyn that specializes in renovations of townhouses here called "A. Malek Construction," or something along those lines. Every time I see it I wonder if they are terribly successful among the Jewish community here...somehow I guess they probably are not. I always get a private little chuckle about how the more religious Jews around here must react when they see those signs. Still, they seem to be doing gangbusters business, most renovations I see going on in my neighborhood and several others nearby are by them.)

Read some on the Amalekites on the internet which is what it is. The description of their being "first of the nations" and also contained in Arabic lore (poems) as being an ancient race out of Egypt or Arabia at the time of the Exodus (which to me coincides with the last global disaster) could place them at the cyclical fight between good and evil and hence the archetype attributed to them by various Rabbis and the Bel Shem Tov (sp.?)

Seems more like the "principalities" talked about in the Bible which could definitely be a possession of sorts or some sort of genetic bad seed predisposed to spiritual terror. In that case it's not going to be a Bedoin group but a tech. savvy war machine mentality science gone wild nation. I won't mention the obvious choice which is even now in it's death throes but just throw in "there is a power rising in the east."

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The Palestinians are also just a recently made up nationality which 70 years ago didnt exist. To add to the irony of the name. The "palestinians" get their name from the ancient name for the region which Hadriean renamed from Judea after the Jews decided to revolt against him for the 2nd time. Hadrian was so irritated and insulted (and also, Rome was sorely bruied. Unlike in usual victories, when Hadrian wrote of his victory, he didnt finish his letter with "me and the legions are in good health" because they werent. The Judeans had cost alot of Roman blood, resources and time) by this Judean (Jewish. Yehuda, the Hebrew word which comes down to us in English as Judea, is the same as Yehudi - Jew) revolt, that he renamed the region Palestina Syria (which comprised Syria, Jordan and Lebanon aswell) after the Jews ancient foes - the philistines. Now, the Philistines as all middle easter scholars of history know, were an AGEAN - that is, a Greek people/ They were from Crete, and so were not semites, or Arabs, as the ignoramuses who claim 'thousands of years of palestinian history' claim.

Additionally, the Jews certainly do have an unusual history. Look at it first from a biblical perspective. You got Egypt, then you got Assyria, then you got Babylon and Persia.. And then Jewish history shows a continuity of this aggression in the Selucids - Ptolyemids (both in Judea, and also in Alexandria Egypt where the was a pogram in 100 BCE against the cities Jews), then the Romans, with Titus, and the two Judean wars. Then you have the persecutions of the Byzantium Christians, the persecutions of the Abbasids Muslims. From here we go out into Jewish diaspora history. The Jews were turned into the 'deicide' people, forced to live in Ghettos - the most run down part of the city (from where we get the name ghetto), to wear badges, as they did in morocco, Libya and Tunisia (a moslem invention) and later on in Christian Europe... There was not a single break from these humilations, and if they did come they were not without their frequent pograms, or humiliations. After the Christian age - did the "enlightenment" bring an end to the Jewish peoples subjugation and hatred from gentiles? you would think so, since religion was no longer an issue as it was. But no. It continued under the Cossaks in Poland and Lithunaia. The wars between Sweden and poland brought more sufferrings. There were scattered blood libels, first in Greece, then in Damascus (look up the damascus blood libel)... Then you have the russian pograms and the suppression of Judaism in the 20th century. Then you have the Syrian situation, the Iraqi situation that arose after the Arabs lost in '48 war.

My point with all the above? Clearly anti-semitism existed before, and after the holocaust. The holocaust was just on a much larger scale; but it was not the first of such events, and it wont be the last.

The OP thesis is completely sound. What is it about Judaism that the above 'authoritarians" disliked? He worded it as 'authoritarian" by which he means, morality. The above 3 people had one thing in common; secularism. They were all more or less individuals who deified themselves and had their word 'enshrined' and made holy. The 'sciences' became the sacred dogma, and the doctors, scientists became its preachers. Within this entire system, there was and is no room for a divinely ordained moral law. There is only 'practical' laws, which serve the state, or have some other utilitarian purpose. These men revolted against G-d, and so naturally revolted against those "fundamentalists" - Jews (who originated such an understanding) who personified this mentality on earth.

It should be no wonder that these secular, atheistic dictators were the ones who managed to kill more people then has ever been killed.

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Not only is that highly improbable (there are over a billion muslims) it is not even sensible.

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Teeth are usually associated with 'wisdom'... for instance, in Kabbalah theres something called the 32 paths of wisdom. And when one grows an extra pair of teeth at the back of his mouth - bringing the number to 32 - they are called "wisdom teeth"....

Thus, one who meddles with demons is causing his wisdom to "rot away"; so naturally, the physical symbol for wisdom - teeth (when you analyze the purpose of teeth. They take a large product - a carrot lets say - and 'breaks it down'. This is similar to one who is able to process information, a common idiom for which is 'breaking it down'. Someone who is able to break things down, in an understandble and clear way, is considered wise) rot aswell.

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* to correct you: Arab Muslims, not Palestinians have a tradition about the Jews. Palestinians are just Arabs, who, to quote PLO executive committee member Zuheir Mohsen

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct Palestinian people to oppose Zionism.

Zuheir Mohsen

Heres the end of that quote...which only reveals what all those who understand what the agenda of the Arab league in regards to Israel is - to systematically, by stages, destroy the state of Israel.

"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan."

you've left out the main actor of the drama

The Israel TV documentary ‘The Anti-Semitic Side of Zionism’ has explored the hidden Jewish hatred of the Zionist movement. The Zionist leaders distorted biblical texts and Muslim-Jewish history of tolerance and love – and adopted Jewish religious symbols to fool the non-Zionist Jewish majority and the Christian extreme.

Israel-born writer and musician, Gilad Atzmon, has posted a brilliant review of the two-hour Israeli documentary. (watch a video below).

It (documentary) is there to prove that Zionism is deeply anti- Semitic. The film is well made and very well researched, and the shocking quotes it outlines are all genuine.

Google Video Link

rehmat1.wordpress.com...

hiter & staline were in business with the zionist (sorry i have no time to put references on this but there are plenty available); i don't know about mao however.

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OK... To make things clear, a distinction should be made.

"Zionist" - in the political sense of the term, refers to the RIGHT of the Jewish people - a separate and distinct people - to settle and live in the land of their forefathers. Judea, Samaria and the rest of Eretz Yisrael.

How exactly now does this aim at undermining the Jewish people, or their religion, when this goal - to settle and live in Israel (and to disposs its inhabitants) is a biblical injuction, and a basic cornerstone of Jewish law?

With this explained, Zionism is Judaism and Judaism is Zionism. Now. Because i agree with your overall idea of Zionists - Rothschilds, Warburgs etc - working with the Communists and Nazis, a further distinction is needed to clarify what this brand of zionism represents, and why it ultimately misrepresents the Jewish ideal to live in and settle the holy land, as predicted by their Torah. This zionism, which is secular, does indeed hate religion. The entire history of the Zionist movement reveals that. This was the reason for the so-called Zionist "revisionists" led by Ze'ev Jabotinsky. The former zionist movement was a creation of leftist, sabbatean Jewish 'intellectuals' who had an utter disdain for the foundations of their biblical traditions, of a higher standard of morality, or a defined right and a defined wrong. All of this was to them, as it is to todays liberal academics, contemptible, and 'primitive'. These Jews were aligned with other like thinkers in European high society - and there were/are many with a similar agenda, in governments, and noble houses. Now, because the 'revisionist' zionists (the founders of todays Likud party) understood the nature, and intent of the original zionists, they tried to take control from them, and they tried admirably. These, unlike the former, were MORAL, religious, and educated men and woman. But unlike the former, when the state of Israel was finally created in 1948, they agreed to submit to the central government - headed by liberal, labor zionists - for the sake of national unity against the agitating Arabs.

Now. Today there are two distinct Zionisms. The former, original POLITICAL zionism is based on a socialist, and leftist and secular philosophy. It is essentially, Marx in Israel. These "Jews", supported as they are by rich and powerful european zionists - the rothschilds, being the main backers - have an agenda to de-judaize, and essentially paganize (by which i mean liberalize) the entire Jewish people; to essentially transform the Jewish vision of a renewed Israel from a religious, traditional, Torah based society, into just another "state" amongst the nations. No different from the UK, or America. And even then, with less religiousity, less values, more sexual depravity, more leniency, more 'dionysous' essentially.

The other Zionism, the "revisionist" zionists, are more correct, and indeed authentic in that they represent the values of religious zionism - Judaism - in the political sphere.

So to just plainly say "zionist" is pure ignorance. Zionist infact refers to the religious aim of Judaism. Zion in Hebrew means "marker", and refers to the holy Temple mount where the Temple (and now dome of the rock) stood. Zion represents a return to G-d, a return to unity. Hence the complete derision and mockery of the Labor Zionists naming their movement "zionism", because what they want is the exact opposite of what Judaism, and actual zionism represents.

This is why - and its well known by educated Jews - the labor Zionists are thought to be the religious descendants of the Sabbatean and Frankist heresies of the 17th and 18th centuries. Look this up if youre interested in tne moral/philosophical significance of it. These "Jews" care nothing about being Jewish, and infact try to misrepresent Jews, because they know being Jewish, and people percieving them as being Jewish, will cause people to think "all Jews are powerful" when only a small minority have power. And those Jews who do possess power, being in the ranks with the other zionist, liberal, secular bunch, have completely betrayed the values of Judaism. They have betrayed, and continue to do so with a demonic zeal.

So, i hope the above clarified the situation. The zionists you percieve as "evil" are more or less, Labor Zionists. This is the term that should be used to describe them. But, to complicate the situation further, it appears that even those in Likud - who were originally founded on the revisionist Zionist ideology - are in bed with the Labor, who now has remade themselves under the Kadima (forward, referring to its progressive/liberalizing agenda) party..... Israeli politics is complicated, and profoundly corrupt. But the people, are great people. Its just a shame that the system of government combined with powerful interest groups, have taken complete control of the country.

I believe Globalism--and however far it turns toward being the NWO--is in the making. But for years I couldn't imagine how a "plan" such as that could span generations. My experience with the world has shown me that--left up to man--any thing of the sort is destined to fail thru time, incompetence, and in-fighting just to name a few reasons.

And yet, as time went on I knew in my innermost that there has been an observable plan unfolding through the centuries. And that eventually led to the hypothesis that the "plan" must be supernaturally inspired and managed by extradimensionals through "men puppets" if you will.

For me it's that simple: If such a plan has been in effect through generations then a supernatural component of evil is the only scenario that fits for me,

Another thought-provoking thread SF.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Those examples were condensed into geographic boxes, but in more recent and ongoing atrocities that wicked power deluge is from all points on the globe at once.

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Nah, the 22 million of us annihilated as a direct result of someone's effort to kill us and take our stuff "doesn't count" 'cause we're brown and didn't follow a religion based on self-loathing and mass murder.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Great thinking, although I would argue that both Stalin and Hitler were pro-Semite, as they wanted them to build their own nation somewhere.

If you read history, you would find out that Hitler's final solution didn't revolve around a genocide against Jews, rather it was pro Jewish.

Many places were advised by both Russians and Germans, where Jews could build their nation.

Regarding the numbers Nazis killed, that's not true, you can't blame all the blood shed on Hitler, because the Allied Forces also did their own "wiping cities out".

Other than that, a great read.

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Love me some Jews, but I don't support tyrannical regimes that influence my own government against its people's interests

So, are you against Arab states? Are you against Egypt - which recieves almost as much foreign aid from America? Or Pakistan, Jordan, Indonesia. Infact, if you add up the foreign aid given to these Islamic states, its much more than whats given to Israel. So why are yuo so against Israel, but not Egypt? And to put things into perspective, the US war in Iraq and Afghanistan has cost as of this moment that im writing this: 1 trillian, 203 billion. Israel recieved in 2010 about 3.5 billion in American aid. That means the wars since 2001 have cost America 400 times more than what Israel has cost America.

Now, put into greater perspective. Have you read the book "startup nation"? Do you have any clue how much Israel has done for the world? It is a PRODUCTIVE country. It is worth investing into Israel because Israel YIELDS, unlike the wasteful spending being pumped into American imperialistic wars, Israel actually tranforms american investment into concrete value. Read here all the inventions and discoveries (many of which deal with computers) Israelis have contributed to the World: Link

And why is it that Jews in Europe developed into controlling the money lending and banking?

Might it be because the more "honourable" professions weer forbidden to them by the Christian kings??

There are millions of Jews who have never been bankers...jsut as there are millions of Scots who have never flipped a hamburger - jsut like htere are millions of Syrians who never ran Apple Computers...

Originally posted by confreak
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Great thinking, although I would argue that both Stalin and Hitler were pro-Semite, as they wanted them to build their own nation somewhere.

If you read history, you would find out that Hitler's final solution didn't revolve around a genocide against Jews, rather it was pro Jewish.

that's a crock of bovine excretia At the very least they wanted to uproot the Jews from wherever they weer and ship them away somewhere so they would be out of mind - calling that "pro-Semite" is like saying the US Govt was pro-native Americans for putting tehm on reservations!

Regarding the numbers Nazis killed, that's not true, you can't blame all the blood shed on Hitler, because the Allied Forces also did their own "wiping cities out".

Also arrant nonsense - killing millions of YOUR OWN POPULATION (and that's what the Jews were - native Germans and Russians (obviously not including those from the occupied territories)) is not "excused" by someoen else killing hundreds of thousands - each is potentially a crime in its own right.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Point of the matter: The two greatest enemies of Israel are the far-right, manifest as the Hamas and the far-left manifest as the "Israel is a genocidal racist state" crowd. These are ideologically the very same forces as Hitler and Stalin.

The war never ended. I am not sure it ever will, unless all of this information and these peoples beliefs come to light.

edit on 6-6-2011 by Skyfloating because: (no reason given)

Incidentally when it comes to dead Jews created, the state of Israel has a record closer to Hitler and Stalin than either Hamas or "the left." Hell, Israelis murder more Jews every year than Hamas has ever killed. And given that Israel has one of the world's lowest murder rates, yeah, sorry, the crazy dudes in Gaza aren't winning any "Genocide of the Year" awards.