North China is dying...and the solution that may scar a planet.

Originally posted by blamethegreys
I never ever predict anything, but mark my words, before this century is over, fresh water will be the number one concern facing the world. Wars will be fought, people will murder, and millions of lives will be lost over drinking water.

Simply put, we are using it faster than nature can produce it. We can't effectively convert sea water yet (which would be the only caveat to the above statement, should we invent the means). Humanities requirements far exceeds the supply, and when reserves are gone...balance must ensue.

IMO settling yourself into a location with a reliable natural water supply is one of the most important things you can do for your family.

Sociologist Michael Goldman has argued that "Industry analysts predict that private water will soon be a capitalized market as precious, and as war-provoking, as oil".[56] Goldman says "These days, an indebted country cannot borrow capital from the World Bank or IMF without a domestic water privatization policy as a precondition".[56]

The Bank is utilizing "the 'Washington Consensus' model of "development" to promote water privatization. Following this model, the World Bank is forcing many countries to commodify their water resources, rather than using their expertise in the public sector to acknowledge water as a universal human right and an essential public service".[56]

The push for water privatization development plays upon "the shocking tragedy that much of the world lacks affordable clean water". This image creates "new opportunities in development, though it may have little to do with ultimately quenching" the needs of impoverished countries.

"The problem of water scarcity for the world's poor has been analyzed by the World Bank as one in which the public sector has failed to deliver, and has therefore prevented development from "taking off", and the economy from modernizing. If the state cannot deliver something as basic as water and sanitation, the argument goes, it is a strong indication of a general failure of public-sector capacity".[56] However, "with the sale or lease of a public good comes more than simply a privatized service; alongside it comes a wide set of postcolonial institutional forces that intervene in state-citizen relations and North-South dynamics".[57] One notable example is the privatization of water forced upon Bolivians by the World Bank which led to multiple protests including the 2000 Cochabamba protests.

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Yeah. What kind of comment was that?.. Mutual destruction?? Any way. What is happening there right now IS nature. Mix an over populated section of the world with a finite amount of ground water and that is what you will get every time. I beleve the only way to solve this is with a mass exodus. Get them out of there and send them to live all over the world and let China start a new and recover. With help from all the worlds governments, both financial and with work forces, this could be done in several of months. But of course this can never be acheived with the levels of corruption and greed which seeds those fine governments of ours. We are destroying the only home we have and turning that destruction into profit. How sick are we? But I see the light at the end of the tunnel and so do a select few. And dispite knowing eveything will get much worst before it gets better, I keep my hopes up for a better tomorrow.

i dont wanna divert the topic too much to the global water shortage issue.

but besides being a serious issues also says alot about our civilization.

we claim we are advanced and modern, but we live in a planet where there is more water than land, we want to colonize space, fiddle around with genes and our own dna... yet we still cant efficiently use and or convert a significant part of the water around us to our needs.

shows how advanced we are(not), and our priorities are all upside down.


now i know desalination is an expensive process to be applied at such a large scale
www.bi-me.com...

but cmon, let's say just half the budget used for military worldwide, and the legalization of drugs ending a billion dollar business diverting those funds to states. idealistic i know, but money abounds, its just being used for stupid things to be brutally honest.

this to say water is the most important asset we have around, and the most abundant too.
provides us sustenance in all ways of life, water can power us.

in an ideal would we would be using tidal waves to power our or electric needs on a large scale, like the scottish are starting to do, since the seas are picking up speed.
www.bbc.co.uk...

hell if we needed more energy we could even use haarp to induce tsunamis in the pacific, harness the tidal energy and have power for millenia(note the haarp bit is a joke)

but instead of all of this, nope, all we seem to be able to do to water in a large scale is uh...

polute it.

reply to post by thedeadwalkk


CHina has been plagued by our Western civilization... they just turn out to be even more abstract in their ways of "solving" problems... by making them bigger. THis is far from being a Chinese problem I think... rather a systemic problem.

What's needed everywhere is and end to development on all its aspects, especially industrial, 'cause this seems to be the source of the problem. I agree on that with some globalists... only that their view is usually despotic and unlikely to benefit the masses.

We can all do our part in this, freely and in our own way, but it's time to act.

It's not about "Gaia" or climate change crap... it's about LIFE, yours, mine, and the one of all the other forms of life. We are deeply rooted in a vicious circle of Death, as you witness and tons of species are dying en masse, and this has got to stop.

Originally posted by eagleeye2
For all of those who think future hold great things for us, think again.

Another case, not related to China, but quite worrying is the Alberta tar sand industry, soon in a decade or 2 the center of Canada will be a huge desert and you def. dont need to be a psychic to say that.

But in a way i feel responsible for that
simply because i didnt, figuratively, slap enough adults in the face.

LOL. Yeah, yeah, it's all the adults fault, eh? Well wait until you're an "adult" and we'll see what great solutions you come up with. Let me ask you something, young feller... who pays for your Internet connection? Who drives you around all the time in their CARS? Your parents. Let me ask you something else. How are you going to eat without fuel? Food is inherently tied to fuel. In fact, pretty much everything is tied to fuel. Without it we have no food, no electricity, nothing. We're back to the stone age.

Tired of young people blaming everything on adults. It's a loser's mentality. Then again, I thought that way when I was a kid, and now that I'm older - and wiser - I can tell you: It's not as simple as "blame it on the adults".

reply to post by abecedarian


The Jet stream is overhead, the gulfstream, and I use that word as a catchall for all the different currents or arteries that deliver mild climates and equalize, this world is in balance in an intricate, complex way, the structures, and they're all dependent on each other. So the canal may have an inverse affect on those streams.

The Jet stream was just thrown in there to show you how bad Fukushima is, there are currents above and currents below and on an island directly located in the hub both these global systems, an enormous disaster that is beyond scope, occurred.

By accident? Many don't think so.

Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by abecedarian

 

The Jet stream is overhead, the gulfstream, and I use that word as a catchall for all the different currents or arteries that deliver mild climates and equalize, this world is in balance in an intricate, complex way, the structures, and they're all dependent on each other. So the canal may have an inverse affect on those streams.

The Jet stream was just thrown in there to show you how bad Fukushima is, there are currents above and currents below and on an island directly located in the hub both these global systems, an enormous disaster that is beyond scope, occurred.

By accident? Many don't think so.

Well, you shouldn't use "gulfstream" as a "formal", i.e. proper noun, as it is a term, with a definition, and has no literal nor collateral definition associated with the Pacific Ocean. It is a term designating the aggregated merger of multiple currents that originate from the Caribbean Sea, and farther south; as such they all merge into the north-trending currents from Florida along the US eastern seaboard... a.k.a. the "Gulf Stream".

Again "Gulf Stream" is an oceanic, a.k.a. "water" current on the east coast of the USA, along the western side of the Atlantic Ocean. It does not, itself, directly merge with the Pacific Ocean.

Jet Stream is an atmospheric air current.

If you continue to use "Gulf Stream" as a "catch all" then it will include currents within the Gulf of California, no?

Originally posted by peacefulwarrior3
reply to post by blamethegreys

 

I cannot remeber where I saw this prophecy, maybe someone can help remember. There were two and maybe independent. One was that when an accident occurs at the Three Gorges Dam it was a sign that many problems would occur in the world relating to Earthquakes or Volcano activity. The second was related that the yellow race (chinese) would cross the Yangtese river to invade? Can anybody remember?

In peace and love.

This idea had crossed my mind.

If they dont have it...they will try and take it.

They have plenty of "cannon fodder" to get rid of. What better way than a major war?

Not to mention that some scientists believe that the Three Gorges Dam has measurably tilted the earth's axis and slowed its rotation. (Source and source.)

I have a hard time believing that. I know scientists have done thier calculations and what-not but this claim just led me to do one of my own:

It says the Three Gorges Dam will hold 10 trillion gallons of water. A gallon of water weighs roughly 8lbs, which is 3.63 kg. The Dam filled with water would then be 3.63x10^12 kg.
It is also said that if the Earth could be weighed it would weigh about 6x10^24 kg.

The weight of the filled Dam would be only 6.05x10^-13% of the Earth's "weight". Or 0.000000000000605%

In comparison its the equivalent of the mass of a tennis ball affecting the mass of five Sears Towers. (Sorry, Willis Towers. I grew up in Chicago, I cant let it go. ) The tennis ball would never be able to shift even one Sears Tower, much less five.

I know Im a layman, but it seems inconceivable to me that the construction of the dam would affect the Earth's rotation or the tilt of its axis. What about the Great Wall? Or how about metropolis cities positioned all over the globe? Surely the weight of an entire city would compare to this dam, no? Granted, 80 trillion pounds is an enormous amount of water, but it pales in comparison to, say, the pacific ocean, which is always moving about, not affecting the rotation speed or axis tilt of the Earth.

Earthquakes causing changes I can imagine as being possible, but man-made structures? I sincerely doubt it.

The Crux of this whole problem is clear and simple...

In the 1970s, the Word was, " ZPG" (Zero Population Growth)

Now, we simply know it as.... Over Population.

There are TOO Many Humans on Planet Earth.............

A Major Cull will HAVE to be undertaken, Mass sterilization of the '3rd World" will have to be initiated.
The Western World is already at Zero or negative birthrate growth, Immigration is the major population growth for those countries.

In the 70s we were told.....We Must act now, before it is too late.

In the 2010s....We must act now, Is it too late?.

Yes, I practiced ZPG.

reply to post by loam


yay economic warfare with china! yay to our ability to # there # up... not... god damn it

So instead of doing this retarded project... why the hell don't they build several desalinization plants on the coast near Beijing?

Yeah you would need to build a few nuclear reactors too since they take a lot of power, but still.

"These days, an indebted country cannot borrow capital from the World Bank or IMF without a domestic water privatization policy as a precondition".[56]

That's because the World Bank and the IMF are sickos and they were in business with Bechtel to rape the country.

They did this back in Bolivia... the IMF and World Bank were raping their country... and people ``took it``... for a while... but then they privatized water with a thug force going around watching if poor people were collecting rain water... and if they did, the thug force would fine them, and if they didn't pay right away, the thug force would beat the hell out of them.

Well guess what happened... a few days later water was privatized, big riots ensued... and it ended up with the privatization being overturned.

China has many serious problems. I hope they solve them. I like the Chinese as individuals that I have met and of course their culture has been very influential around the world. They certainly have the ability to solve their own problems without recourse to draconian measures at home or predation on their neighbors, but there is a pre-requisite. They must attend to the serious problems and forget fashionable and frivolous military indulgences.

The United States of America is the Paris Hilton of military spending, but sensible girls like China and India should be content with a sturdy pair of functional heels, a little black cocktail dress and a few accessories. That way they will have more money to renovate the house and make it comfortable for the whole family.

Trying to be "the bomb", if you know what I mean, doesn't make any sense, especially when nobody is going to invade you anyway.

The Three Gorges Dam is obviously responsible. Yes, it was a grand project aiming to ease power concerns for such a large nation, but the effects of damming can be devastating to the local flora and fauna.

S+F OP for the article.

While I would love to be able to blame the bad Chinese, or the bad Americans, or even humans in general, the reality is this is a natural occurence of the Earth. Let's see if i can link this right...

www.climate.org...

The Asian droughts, and North American floods were already predicted, back in 2003, to occur in 2010. Only off by 1 year. Not bad. Note that it doesn't have to be worst case scenario. Probably will be, since our governments probably won't work together, but there will be survivors. I'd say that's a bit o' good news. Of course I'm a hopeless optimist. LoL.

Couldn't the united states help with their unofficial weather machines? Haarp! just ya know push a huge rain storm over the area

I have little to no pity what so ever for countries engaging in such practices. The little people get hurt, but they don't organise to get off their ass and stop it. They outnumber soldiers/govt/etc by at least 10,000 to one. Sheep power!

China can turn into a polluted desert for all I care. Too many people for the biosphere to support using current methods, combined with little to no respect or care for their environment leads to disaster, water diversion or not. Ya crap in your nest, you get what's coming to you.

This is another one of those 'bandaid fixes on a terminal wound'. The issue is water at face value but the real issue lies a lot deeper than just that.

Humanity needs to give up all mass production containing any sort of pollution for the future of mankind. If we live in a more natural, unchemically dependent nature, this planet would reward us rather than throw us around like a rag doll.

Originally posted by Echtelion
reply to post by thedeadwalkk

CHina has been plagued by our Western civilization... they just turn out to be even more abstract in their ways of "solving" problems... by making them bigger.

This kind of analysis presumes that China was a pristine perfect society before the big bad meanie West came along and taught it to "think big."

It is a subtly racist type of argument (not that the poster necessarily meant it this way) becuse it exoticizes and cartoonifies the non-Westerner (in this case, Chinese) as somehow more "in tune with nature." It implies only Westerners are "advanced" enough to wreck the Pandora-like paradise of all the groovy, harmoneously-blissed-out, "less advanced" peoples who need to be protected from Big Bad Uncle Sam. It implies the Chinese aren't "advanced" enough to screw up their own world.

In addition to being arising superpower, China is an ancient and advanced civilzation, and as such it has the maturity to be held responsbile for the choices it makes.