Tell ATS Why You WILL Vote For Obama! Convince Us!

Under George Bush Jr. the news ran stories that Veterans Affairs was 1 year behind in processing Disability Claims.


Under Obama the claims backlog is 2 years and growing.

I wouldn't vote for Obama. I'd rather have Putin as President. I think the Russians actually live a better life.

The pool of Americans living the "Apple Pie and White Picket Fences" dream is actually pretty small.

To Be Honest with you I have not made up my mind it's too early at this point and I think this time around I will not really know until November possibly by Middle October.. I don’t know who is all running atm.

I know Obama is running .. Ron Paul for sure is and its is a possibility John Edwards an Palin may run ..

That is a false statement me thinks John Edwards is Edwards facing indictment. is what’s out on the internet.

So really until I can get a better feeling as to all is running in the 2011 election I can't really say.

I would like to see Obama clear up some things and show us he can make the change he claimed he was after in 208 .. that remains to be seen ..

I will never vote Republican/Tea Party due to the conservative Christian mind set .. I know that many Christians voted for Obama an will do so again .. I have mixed feelings for both of these two parties R & L atm

The election is far off...as of right now I would vote for Obama again. I don't see anyone in the GOP that I like...or that I agree with more than I agree with Obama on almost all issues. The only person that would be able to get me to not vote for Obama would be Obama. Say he does something incredibly stupid....like make Oprah his VP (GOOD LORD...I shouldn't even joke about that)...but if he did that...he would lose my vote.


So here are the reasons why, in my opinion, he has done a good job so far...and why I think he deserves 4 more years.

- Obama took office DURING a recession. He managed to get us out of the recession in a fairly short time period. You guys can argue all you want...but "officially" the recession ended in June 2009.

- Obama implemented many programs to help out the middle class. Not all of them worked out perfectly...but their aim was to help...and they did succeed at least partially.

- Your taxes have gone down under Obama. Like it or not...unless you made more money than you did before Obama (which would increase your taxes)....you paid less taxes. If you paid more taxes...than you need a new accountant.

- He extended child tax credits and made fixes to the marriage penalty

- More proof the economy is recovering...the stock markets are doing very well. Companies have to secure profit before they start to think about increasing their workforce again. The stock market doing well is evidence that things are moving in the right direction. Don't be surprised if the unemployment rate is under 8% by election time.

- He passed Health Care Reform. Something that has been trying to get done for decades...and he accomplished it. It is not perfect...it is not what I wanted...but it is a step in the right direction. The GOP thinks they can use this against him in the election...but what they will be telling the American people is that they want to re-instate annual caps, pre-existing conditions, take away insurance from children and the continuation of the status quo. Good luck with that GOP.

- He ended the war in Iraq. Plain and simple...I don't think he gets enough credit for this...but it is true that there are no more combat missions in Iraq.

- He killed OBL. He made the call...it was on his watch...he gets credit.


I really could go on and on...but I think some statistics would show the picture better. If you want to see all the promises Obama has kept..or see proof of the above statements...take a look here.
www.politifact.com...

But what I want to look at now is his overall performance.

www.politifact.com...

Promise Kept 135
Compromise 40
Promise Broken 42
Stalled 70
In the Works 219
Not yet rated 2

People like to claim that he has broken a lot of promises. I don't consider 42 out of 508 ( ~ 8%) a lot.

He has fulfilled completely 26% of his promises...fullfilled fully or partially 34% of his promises.

14% of his promises have been stalled, mostly due to the change in the control of the house.

But a full 43% of his promises are still in the works. If you take the promises kept, compromised, and in the works...you get 77% of promises that he has either fullfilled or is still working on.

I am completely happy with this performance...I don't deny that there are some big things that he didn't do that I am not happy with (Guantanamo, Public Option, Profit Tax on Oil Companies)...but they do not negate the things he has done.

The big number to me is that he is still working on 43% of the things he ran on in 2008...and since I am happy with his performance thus far with what he has accomplished...I'd like to see him get these things (and new things) completed.

It's not hard to see that for the most part, Obama has done what he said he would do. So if you voted for him in 2008, I really don't see any reason that you wouldn't vote for him in 2012...unless you really weren't paying attention to what he said he would do in 2008. If that is the case, that is not the fault of Obama...that is the fault of the individual.

So my question really isn't WHY would you vote for Obama again...my question would be WHY NOT??? He has closely stuck to what he campaigned on...so what exactly is it that those that voted for him before don't like that would change their vote?


I personally think the answer to that question is that there is nothing that would prevent you from voting for him again...which is why I am confident in his chances for re-election...and is why I think the GOP is having a hard time finding a legit candidate...because people know it will be a tough fight to beat Obama...if there is even a chance.

reply to post by Pervius

Under George Bush Jr. the news ran stories that Veterans Affairs was 1 year behind in processing Disability Claims.

Under Obama the claims backlog is 2 years and growing.

Changes Obama have implemented take time. One thing you can't say is that Obama isn't helping the VA.

www.politifact.com...

Fully fund the Veterans Administration - Promise Kept

www.politifact.com...

Expand the Veterans Administration's number of "centers of excellence" in specialty care - Promise Kept

www.politifact.com...

Increase the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health professionals - Promise Kept

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I'll vote for Obama again because he's done most of the things he promised to do while managing the largest financial crisis in almost 80 years. In just two years, the S&P 500 has climbed from under 700 points to over 1300 points - that's a clean double of the net value of the country's major corporations and subsequently, all the shareholders wealth (private and public pension funds, county and state investment funds that had been wiped out during the Bush administration).

He pulled all the combat troops out of Iraq, he revived the collapsed auto industry (saving up to 2 million jobs), he passed health care reform (an election promise that won him a 10 million vote majority), he managed to get Bin Laden (who wasn't in either country that Bush invaded), and he even cut taxes (twice).

If any of that comes as a surprise, chances are high that you are a:

a.) Fox News viewer.
b.) Tea Partier
c.) Birther.
d.) All of the above.

Nothing there I can refute. This is what I'm talking about! Thank you for sharing your views!

/TOA

It will not matter that there are numerous reasons not to vote him to a second term. As the election creeps closer the regime will drum up the race card again and will get countless votes because "my president is black" I am not in any way a racist and I have many reasons for disliking Obama non of them being the color of his skin. But if you disagree with his policies and his actions the liberals will ultimately resort to calling you a racist. I do not hold any political affiliation as I think the entire system is full of it. The country needs an overhaul in the form of non-partisan leadership that is in the intrest of the good of the common person as that is what 99% of us are. But I feel it is a losing battle because people get so caught up in the race game and ultimately he will get more votes than he loses because of it.

Originally posted by MagoSA
I will likely vote for Obama in 2012 for a few reasons, not all of them logical, but then again, I am human. (at least, so I've been told) so I'm entitled to my idiosyncracies. LOL

Logical reason #1:

in 2010 Obama's payroll tax cutwent into effect. 2% off the top of your gross wages. Nice, that. No media coverage, no big signing deal. Just a nice thing very few people noticed.

Logical reason # 2:

In 2009 Obama cut withholding for most everyone, a $787 billion dollar tax break that gave everyone $50 to $65 per paycheck back in their pockets.


Logical reason #3:
He got Osama bin Laden - I don't care if you claim it was SEAL Team 6, or the military - he made the final decision, and if it backfired on him every Obama-hater would have been in line to serve him what they thought was his share of crow... therefore since he would have taken the heat for missing ObL, he gets the kudos for getting him. Fair is fair.

And this is why he's my likely vote, unless some radical sea change happens and he's boning Condi Rice or having an affair with Sarah Palin... or he's proven and convicted of some crime... and not by the rabid birthers, I mean in a real, justifiable court or in Congress.

I can accept 1 & 2, but since I think OBL has been dead for some years now I can't give Obama credit for that. But I can give him credit for taking credit. Most people don't think OBL was already dead, so Obama did what Bush should have done. But Obama should now take it to the next step and say "OK we got OBL. Time to pull out and come home."

/TOA

He took 2% from SS which is broke, yes you may think you got a raise but where is the money need for SS going to come from? The baby boomers retire putting a strain on the already hurting SS and we cut 2% withholding and think that is good? My advice take that 2% raise you got and increase your 401K by 2% you will need it.

Having said that though, I am glad there are people who are happy with Mr. O.

Originally posted by SavedOne
1. Obama really did believe he could accomplish the goals he laid out in his campaign, but once in office he quickly discovered how little power he really has to do such things, and instead has had to pander to the desires of others.

2. He is a shill for a secret organization that is REALLY controlling things, Bilderbergers or whoever, and his platform was a game of smoke and mirrors to mask a master plan that is being implemented but is not yet apparent.

I lean towards option 1, but I haven't ruled 2 out as a possibility.

edit on 26-5-2011 by SavedOne because: Typo

I think it was 1, then 2. I think he did believe he could do all the things he promised, and quite could have. But once in power he was approached by the real power behind the throne and given a set of directives and no choice but to follow them.

/TOA

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


You are correct on all points, and those are the most compelling points so far to vote for him. I will agree that he has done what he could with the crap he was given by Herr Bush.

In your opinion how do those stack up against the other things he's done such as not killing the Patriot Act, staying in Afghanistan, attacking Libya, etc.? Do the economic policies he has done something about outweigh those in your opinion?

/TOA

reply to post by The Old American

Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
I'll vote for Obama again because he's done most of the things he promised to do while managing the largest financial crisis in almost 80 years. In just two years, the S&P 500 has climbed from under 700 points to over 1300 points - that's a clean double of the net value of the country's major corporations and subsequently, all the shareholders wealth (private and public pension funds, county and state investment funds that had been wiped out during the Bush administration).

He pulled all the combat troops out of Iraq, he revived the collapsed auto industry (saving up to 2 million jobs), he passed health care reform (an election promise that won him a 10 million vote majority), he managed to get Bin Laden (who wasn't in either country that Bush invaded), and he even cut taxes (twice).

If any of that comes as a surprise, chances are high that you are a:

a.) Fox News viewer.
b.) Tea Partier
c.) Birther.
d.) All of the above.

Nothing there I can refute. This is what I'm talking about! Thank you for sharing your views!

/TOA

You're kidding, right? Nothing there that you can refute? Let's see...

In just two years, the S&P 500 has climbed from under 700 points to over 1300 points - that's a clean double of the net value of the country's major corporations and subsequently, all the shareholders wealth (private and public pension funds, county and state investment funds that had been wiped out during the Bush administration).

And now he is planning on raiding the pensions of government employees. How long will it be till he goes after your pension fund?

He pulled all the combat troops out of Iraq,

Bullcrap.

Last year, President Obama accepted a proposal by U.S. military leaders to re-label all combat brigades in Iraq “advise and assist brigades” so he could claim that he was withdrawing all combat troops by Aug. 31, 2010. Six U.S. fully equipped combat brigades remain in Iraq today, contrary to the administration's official position that only non-combat troops remain there.

www.finalcall.com...

he revived the collapsed auto industry (saving up to 2 million jobs)

He save nothing. He interfered in the free market to pay back his union cronies. He fired executives illegally. GM deserved to go bankrupt; that is the cleansing thing to do. Ford is an example of free market economics. Obama practiced socialism when he took control of GM.

To top it off, the unemployment rate remains at record high levels.

he passed health care reform (an election promise that won him a 10 million vote majority),

He passed nothing. He shoved it down our throat, breaking a campaign promise to post legislation on the net for 5 days before he signed it. He refused to allow us to read it before he signed it.

And other than the 1,300 or so cronies that have been granted waivers from having to implement Obamacare ( why do they all want out of that game, eh? Just ask yourself...), how many people have benefited from Obamacare. ZERO, that's how many.

he managed to get Bin Laden (who wasn't in either country that Bush invaded)

He did NOTHING! He held onto Valerie Jarrett's skirt until the military and Panetta overrode him and ordered the Seals in. That's right, PANETTA GAVE THE ORDER! Obama was playing golf while the adults were working on nailing bin Laden!

You can't refute any of what he said? It sounds like you are planning on voting for Obama again

reply to post by AuntB

He took 2% from SS which is broke, yes you may think you got a raise but where is the money need for SS going to come from? The baby boomers retire putting a strain on the already hurting SS and we cut 2% withholding and think that is good? My advice take that 2% raise you got and increase your 401K by 2% you will need it.

Social Security recipients, mostly the elderly and disabled, have not received a COLA raise for the past 2 years.

Add to that the plan to eliminate the mortgage interest deduction that most young homebuyers rely on and look forward to, he is rapidly screwing every citizen he can.

reply to post by The Old American

In your opinion how do those stack up against the other things he's done such as not killing the Patriot Act, staying in Afghanistan, attacking Libya, etc.? Do the economic policies he has done something about outweigh those in your opinion?

In my opinion...he has stayed true to his campaign promises on these issues.

For The Patriot Act, he said he would implement changes in the bill to increase oversight. He hasn't done that yet, the Patriot Act was renewed for one year...but he still has a chance to get it done the next time it is up for renewal. I hope he does get the changes implemented...but I don't expect him to outright kill it...since he never said he would.
politifact.com...

Revise the Patriot Act to increase oversight on government surveillance

"As president, Barack Obama would revisit the PATRIOT Act to ensure that there is real and robust oversight of tools like National Security Letters, sneak-and-peek searches, and the use of the material witness provision."

Staying in Afghanistan is a promise that Obama KEPT. He said all along that he was going to shift focus to Afghanistan.

politifact.com...

Send two additional brigades to Afghanistan

"As Obama removes our combat brigades from Iraq, he will send at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan, where the Taliban is resurgent. He will also provide our armed forces with the reset capability that they need. He will replace essential equipment, and he will ensure that our men and women in uniform get the care and support they have earned."

And for Libya...I'm not sure exactly how I feel about it. I don't like that he got involved...I don't like that he took the bait from Republicans to get him to go in to Libya, just so they could turn around and bash him about it. The thing I did like about it is that he didn't go in by himself...he went in as part of a coalition and he didn't make it 100% about America leading the way. Having said that...I reserve my full judgement on this until I see how it ends up. Hopefully he will end these operations soon and it will be over.

Originally posted by mishigas

And now he is planning on raiding the pensions of government employees. How long will it be till he goes after your pension fund?

Never, as I don't work under a cartel...oops...union.

He pulled all the combat troops out of Iraq,

Bullcrap.

Last year, President Obama accepted a proposal by U.S. military leaders to re-label all combat brigades in Iraq “advise and assist brigades” so he could claim that he was withdrawing all combat troops by Aug. 31, 2010. Six U.S. fully equipped combat brigades remain in Iraq today, contrary to the administration's official position that only non-combat troops remain there.

www.finalcall.com...

Read this.

Obama described what those remaining troops will be doing in a speech on Aug. 2, 2010: "As agreed to with the Iraqi government, we will maintain a transitional force until we remove all our troops from Iraq by the end of next year," he said.

He's honoring an agreement with the Iraqi government (that, yes, we installed). I personally think he should pull everyone out of southern Asia completely by the end of the year and let them all eat each other.

he revived the collapsed auto industry (saving up to 2 million jobs)

He save nothing. He interfered in the free market to pay back his union cronies. He fired executives illegally. GM deserved to go bankrupt; that is the cleansing thing to do. Ford is an example of free market economics. Obama practiced socialism when he took control of GM.

To top it off, the unemployment rate remains at record high levels.

While I think "too big to fail" is a corporatist mantra, and he shouldn't have bailed out anyone (and Bush should not have done it either), he did it anyway. And in so doing saved hundreds of thousands of jobs (though not 2 million) in the auto industry alone. GM bounced back and is strong now. I believe they should have been allowed to go under, but since they didn't I'm glad people still have their jobs.

he passed health care reform (an election promise that won him a 10 million vote majority),

He passed nothing. He shoved it down our throat, breaking a campaign promise to post legislation on the net for 5 days before he signed it. He refused to allow us to read it before he signed it.

And other than the 1,300 or so cronies that have been granted waivers from having to implement Obamacare ( why do they all want out of that game, eh? Just ask yourself...), how many people have benefited from Obamacare. ZERO, that's how many.

I didn't say I agreed with it. I said I can't refute it. You can't either.

he managed to get Bin Laden (who wasn't in either country that Bush invaded)

He did NOTHING! He held onto Valerie Jarrett's skirt until the military and Panetta overrode him and ordered the Seals in. That's right, PANETTA GAVE THE ORDER! Obama was playing golf while the adults were working on nailing bin Laden!

I already said in response to another poster that I think OBL has been dead for years, probably when Bush was still president. Obama was just smart enough to convince the sheeple that it was him that brought down OBL.

You can't refute any of what he said? It sounds like you are planning on voting for Obama again

Then you have difficulty in reading the language I was writing in. But thanks for your input!

/TOA

In my opinion...he has stayed true to his campaign promises on these issues.

For The Patriot Act, he said he would implement changes in the bill to increase oversight. He hasn't done that yet, the Patriot Act was renewed for one year...but he still has a chance to get it done the next time it is up for renewal. I hope he does get the changes implemented...but I don't expect him to outright kill it...since he never said he would.
politifact.com...

Revise the Patriot Act to increase oversight on government surveillance

"As president, Barack Obama would revisit the PATRIOT Act to ensure that there is real and robust oversight of tools like National Security Letters, sneak-and-peek searches, and the use of the material witness provision."

But should he not kill it? That could be one "extra" not on his original plank of promises that maybe he should do. He would look more favorable to us that think the Patriot Act is, to say the least, only a pretense to take away the rights of Americans.

Staying in Afghanistan is a promise that Obama KEPT. He said all along that he was going to shift focus to Afghanistan.

politifact.com...

Send two additional brigades to Afghanistan

"As Obama removes our combat brigades from Iraq, he will send at least two additional brigades to Afghanistan, where the Taliban is resurgent. He will also provide our armed forces with the reset capability that they need. He will replace essential equipment, and he will ensure that our men and women in uniform get the care and support they have earned."

Is that not a promise that should be broken?

And for Libya...I'm not sure exactly how I feel about it. I don't like that he got involved...I don't like that he took the bait from Republicans to get him to go in to Libya, just so they could turn around and bash him about it. The thing I did like about it is that he didn't go in by himself...he went in as part of a coalition and he didn't make it 100% about America leading the way. Having said that...I reserve my full judgement on this until I see how it ends up. Hopefully he will end these operations soon and it will be over.

Hopefully. We'll see, but since the War Powers Resolution has already passed without him getting Congressional approval for continuing aggressions in Libya, I'm not holding my breath.

/TOA

reply to post by The Old American

Originally posted by mishigas

And now he is planning on raiding the pensions of government employees. How long will it be till he goes after your pension fund?

Never, as I don't work under a cartel...oops...union.

Since when do you need to be a member of a union to have a pension plan?

Last year, President Obama accepted a proposal by U.S. military leaders to re-label all combat brigades in Iraq “advise and assist brigades” so he could claim that he was withdrawing all combat troops by Aug. 31, 2010. Six U.S. fully equipped combat brigades remain in Iraq today, contrary to the administration's official position that only non-combat troops remain there.


www.finalcall.com...

Read this.

Obama described what those remaining troops will be doing in a speech on Aug. 2, 2010: "As agreed to with the Iraqi government, we will maintain a transitional force until we remove all our troops from Iraq by the end of next year," he said.

Oh, now I see. We should believe it because Obama said so! We are still waiting for the unemployment rate to drop to 8% and no higher as he promised the stimulus package would do.

< arg about troops in Iraq >

We just spent billions building a huge embassy in Iraq. Of course there will be troops there. What I pointed out to you was the lie he told us about them being a 'transitional force' or “advise and assist brigades”. The troops still there, and that will remain there, are combat troops. Them's the fact.

he revived the collapsed auto industry (saving up to 2 million jobs)

He saved nothing. He interfered in the free market to pay back his union cronies. He fired executives illegally. GM deserved to go bankrupt; that is the cleansing thing to do. Ford is an example of free market economics. Obama practiced socialism when he took control of GM.

To top it off, the unemployment rate remains at record high levels.

While I think "too big to fail" is a corporatist mantra, and he shouldn't have bailed out anyone (and Bush should not have done it either), he did it anyway. And in so doing saved hundreds of thousands of jobs (though not 2 million) in the auto industry alone. GM bounced back and is strong now. I believe they should have been allowed to go under, but since they didn't I'm glad people still have their jobs.

You have no way of knowing how many jobs he saved. And while I don't want anyone to lose their job, GM brought their problems upon themselves; bad management and bloated unions. Bankruptcy is a good thing in many cases. Too many people misunderstand bankruptcy; they think it means total liquidation. Not always; that's only one form of bankruptcy. The other, more common, is re-organization of liabilities. That is the one that GM wanted to avoid, because that would mean they would need to re-negotiate the bloated union contracts, and we all know that Obama is under the thumbs of the unions. He couldn't allow that.

he passed health care reform (an election promise that won him a 10 million vote majority),

He passed nothing.

And other than the 1,300 or so cronies that have been granted waivers from having to implement Obamacare ( why do they all want out of that game, eh? Just ask yourself...), how many people have benefited from Obamacare. ZERO, that's how many.

I didn't say I agreed with it. I said I can't refute it. You can't either.

OK. I tried.

I already said in response to another poster that I think OBL has been dead for years, probably when Bush was still president. Obama was just smart enough to convince the sheeple that it was him that brought down OBL.

Forgive me, but that sounds ridiculous.:shk: I do believe that there are occasional conspiracies, but some of these theories are definitely wacked out. That one included.

Then you have difficulty in reading the language I was writing in. But thanks for your input!

English is my first language, and I am quite adept at it. But I can see that you cannot carry on a discussion without injecting snide remarks. Good luck to you.

reply to post by The Old American

But should he not kill it? That could be one "extra" not on his original plank of promises that maybe he should do. He would look more favorable to us that think the Patriot Act is, to say the least, only a pretense to take away the rights of Americans.

Personally, yes I think he probably should or at the very least have it reviewed for Constitutionality and then modify it accordingly.

However, since he never said he was going to do this...I can't really fault him for not doing so.

Is that not a promise that should be broken?

For my personal views...yes...I'd be extremely happy if he broke that promise and brought all the troops from the Middle East home.

But again...I can't fault him for doing exactly what he said he was going to do. I knew this when I voted for him in 2008...so I have no room to complain for him following through.

Hopefully. We'll see, but since the War Powers Resolution has already passed without him getting Congressional approval for continuing aggressions in Libya, I'm not holding my breath.

Yes...like I said...I don't like that we got involved with Libya. If he moves in troops...then that is a move I would be very dissapointed in.

I really don't know if this alone though would be enough for me to not vote for him. I'm never going to be 100% happy with all decisions made by anyone as President. So it is one of those things that you have to weigh the pros vs the cons. And right now, Obama's pros outweigh his cons...especially when compared to any of the likely GOP candidates.

I'd also like to point out one thing.

Early on in this thread...you had a lot of anti-Obama folks posting asking where all the Obama supporters are. And as soon as a few of us come here and post reasons backed up by fact...those people dissapear.

I would love for anyone to go and refute the things I posted..

Because he is the 2nd black president. Is that good enough?
He has conitnued the wars, kept Gitmo open, started another kinetic war action, not authorized by Congress.
Favors cr@p and tax farce, extended the Patriot act, a great apologizer over seas for America's faults, supports terrorists as the PLO and Muslem Brotherhood, thinks unemployement dropping from 9.1% to 8.9% is great for the economy, loves the TSA's abuse of citizen's rights, shuts down U.S. oil drilling and subsidizes it it to Brazil and Soros.
That should be a great starter list. As for cutting taxes, Obama has not done that, he just extended Bush's current tax rates, nothing more, they haven't gone any lower.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I'd also like to point out one thing.

Early on in this thread...you had a lot of anti-Obama folks posting asking where all the Obama supporters are. And as soon as a few of us come here and post reasons backed up by fact...those people dissapear.

I would love for anyone to go and refute the things I posted..

As would I, although mishigas has seen fit to attack me and stray off the topic of this thread for some strange reason. You have been more than honest and fair with your answers. I wish a few more like you would chime in.

/TOA